INB4 stoners move to colorado

Explain. Forestry in north america is perfectly sustainable if managed well. Thats why you can go to school and get a forestry degree, so you can manage forests effectively.

Well of course not, but as a whole, if managed properly, its sustainable. Of course anything can have an environmental impact if managed poorly, forestry included.

Did you read my response to that on the last page?

A lot of forests are managed poorly. Even though in America there are a lot of trees being planted as we cut them down, I still think that it's kind of ridiculous that in 2012 we are using trees as the soul base for our paper.


Then again, look at how we've done nothing with alternative fuels with hemp or other sources.



I love how you can have an election that's driven by discussion about energy independence, the environment, and other things, and have giant parts of those topics never come up for discussion.

When we talk about energy independence it's simply "Drill baby drill, drill the wildlife preserves, drill in your backyard, drill next to your drinking water, drill everywhere, build a pipeline, fuck it build 50"

When we talk about the environment it's about reducing the carbon in the air. I went to a show once in 07 I think and they had carbon right offs for sale. Really? So I could trash the environment, cut down trees, piss in your water supply, dump oil in your garden, but if I buy a couple carbon right offs I'm an environmental saint? Please tell me more. Sound's pretty similar to, I can go kill a bunch of people, burn some houses down, steal a bunch of shit, but as long as I buy condolences I'm a good person and going to heaven.


Gotta love the way it works. I think that's our approach to everything. Don't actually do anything but just buy our way out. There are a ton of fat people in this country. Most of them don't want to exercise or eat better to lose wait. Instead they throw a bunch of money at diet pills or surgery to do it for them.


We kind of suck as a people sometimes.

So what if i hit by accident and you die only because you weren't wearing a seat belt? That would probably ruin the rest of my life. Please wear seat belts its only two fucking seconds.

I wear my fucking seat belt and think it's stupid not to. That has nothing to do with my argument that there shouldn't be a seat belt law.

Don't assume.

Same with me wanting to legalize all drugs. I don't even drink. I just think it's ridiculous to have the government policing this stuff.

If you as an adult, want to do something stupid, that might badly impact yourself, but won't harm others, go for it. If you want to hit yourself in the face with a wiffle ball bat go for it, if you want to drive around without a seat belt, if you want to smoke meth, if you want to rub icy hot on your ball sack, I think those are bad ideas, but by all means go for it.

I don't need the government to tell me that putting icy hot on my balls is bad and make a law to keep me from doing it. I don't need the government to make not wearing a seat belt illegal to make me wear it.


Do you get it yet?

Oh and the tone was just a result of how annoying it get's when people constantly assume things. Also you said "it takes two fucking seconds". So I didn't feel it was too far to come back in that tone.

Not mad or anything, just wanted to let you know that I wasn't lashing out. You lose quite a bit of perspective reading text. It's hard to judge emotion.

So no hate, other than me hating the way our government is these days.

That was more general and not directed to you, my dad slid on ice rear ended a guy that ended up paralyzed because he didn't wear a seatbelt. My dad feels the guilt for that almost everyday.

Now i don't really agree with everything you said, as i feel that some control is good for society. Like seat belts, meth, etc. Because that can still hurt others not directly but you get what i mean.

I agree, while in theory it would be nice to just let people make their own decisions concerning things that affect only themselves,but the unfortunate reality is that most things that are illegal do not impact the individual alone. The guy on cocaine might beat his wife, the guy who doesn't strap on his seatbelt dies in an accident, causing unbearable guilt for the causer of the accident, etc. These things are catered to the worst case scenario, and like a lot of things in society, its catered to the lowest denominator.

For example, imagine if we all agreed not to sue the mountain when we got hurt on the hill? Lift ticket prices would go down, and we would have sick park features. It would be awesome in theory. But of course, there will always be "that guy" that sues b/c he tried to hit an 80ft jump no one told him he shouldn't be hitting. Its the kind of same thing with drug usage, seatbelt laws, etc.

That sucks and I can see why that would mean a lot more to you in that situation. I've seen some bad stuff in that line with good friends. Def wish more people would where their seat belts. I never leave home without it.

"Now i don't really agree with everything you said, as i feel that some control is good for society. Like seat belts, meth, etc."

WHY though. If meth were legalized tomorrow would you start smoking it, would your friends, would your parents? Is the only reason why you don't smoke meth, because it's illegal. The same with the seat belt. Do you wear your seat belt because it's illegal not to, or because you feel like it's something that's needed for safety and reckless to drive without?

As far as this form control being good for society, where do we draw the line? Should we make it illegal for people that are obese to buy candy or fast food? There are lots of things that are bad for people that we haven't made illegal yet. Where do we spot? If you say that example is ridiculous and too far, then where do we draw the line?(Because we're going do an interesting course)

What about responsibilities as an adult. Do you believe as an adult you should be able to make your own decisions? Should it be illegal to be late for work to make sure you get there on time or should that be your own personal accountability. If I want to sit in my house after a long days work and smoke a bowl of meth, sniff some bathsalts, or whatever, how is that hurting you, and what business is that of the governments?

"Because that can still hurt others not directly but you get what i mean."


Yes I understand that actions have consequences. If you're mean to you're wife, that's hurting others, should that be illegal?(Who knows, maybe it already is these days)

If I never call my parents to let them know how things are going and see how they're holding up, that's hurting others, should that be illegal.


The point I'm trying to make is that you can't make all the problems in the world go away by waving a magic wand and making everything illegal.


Freedom comes along with personal accountability. That's something we've lost as a country. Look at the abuse of our welfare system. I don't have to get a job because the government will take care of me. I think personal accountability is key to really have a free society.