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I propose that we clamp down on stupid 12 year old shit-talking

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Mr.Bishop
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Every god damn day someone says to me "Oh, Newschoolers... isn't that the place where 12 year olds talk shit?"

Even on this fucking site I hear the same god damn shit over and over.

However... I see the demographics of the users... and hardly anyone is 12. Most people on here are mid-late teens running into mid-late 20s.

Personally, I think the problem is people in their late teens, 20s and 30s ACTING like fucking stupid 12 year olds. Hell, I bet the 12 year olds are too scared to act stupid.

So I propose that we crush this 'stupid bitchy 12 year old' type behaviour. Hell, in the old days the rules of moderation were "Fuck you - there is no rules. We delete shit when its fucking stupid and your shit was stupid so STFU."

I mean does anyone like it? I'm talking about when a perfectly good discussion thread goes to complete shit because 2-3 people get angry at each other and just start saying 'you're wrong you fag... you're so faggy faggy fag that you can't fagging fag fag fag."

Fuck that. Its annoying, and we could actually be having some rad conversations about cool shit. I have zero problems with people calling shit out, just do it like you aren't a fucking 11 year old moron. When you call someone out, do it with intelligence and a good fucking point.

Isn't that a better burn than calling someone a stupid name anyway?

Nov 1 2012 10:03PM
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Mr.Bishop
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FUcking genius.
Nov 2 2012 12:16AM
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SKI.ING
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I agree with this 100% because I feel it would foster more of a community and I would be more willing to actually "meet" people on NS and trust their insight instead of them delivering "advice" in a sarcastic manner.

I will say one thing, it starts at the top. The rest is trickle down effect.
Nov 2 2012 12:18AM
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acc
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Matt had no idea what he was creating. It is amazing to say the least. If it weren't for this site there are so many opportunities and people that would have never entered my life.
Nov 2 2012 12:18AM
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JStrathern
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This is one of the best posts I've read on here in a long, long time
Nov 2 2012 12:20AM
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Mr.Bishop
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+1
Nov 2 2012 12:21AM
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Mr.Bishop
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Honestly though, Matt Harvey is one of the most visionary people that I have ever met in my life. What he created here at Newschoolers is straight up scary visionary. When you really grill him on it, so much of it was calculated. SHit man, had he been into partying instead of skiing I bet that he would have obliterated facebook before it was even an idea.
Nov 2 2012 12:23AM
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acc
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I agree. Bishop I need to get back up to MTL and buy you & the rest of the crew that run the show some drinks. I never have a bad time at the NS office, it is always difficult to leave though. You guys rock. Thank you for your time, energy & passion.
Nov 2 2012 12:24AM
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Mr.Bishop
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Dude... come to MTL for sure, but buying drinks for us is not allowed. That is strictly on us.
Nov 2 2012 12:25AM
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Tree60
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I agree with the sentiment that NSG should be relatively free. However, personally, if it wasn't for the shitstorming that goes on, Newschoolers is one of the better places on the internet I have found to have legitimate political discourse. We have people on both sides of the spectrum, all on the same website, most of the time willing to debate their side of the argument, unlike a site like reddit (which I love) which is just a full on liberal circklejerk which is fun sometimes, but sometimes you want to hear the reasoning behind the other side's argument. NS is way better for that. But a lot of the time it does descend into the "fagcalling" that a lot of the rest of NSG is.
So maybe it would be possible for a thread creator to somehow mark a thread to have stricter moderation in NSG, like the rest of the site has, that way discussion could actually happen without the 200 "who gives a fuck about politics" and "anybody who disagrees with me is a *insert some sort of derogatory word here*" posts that we see in every thread.
Nov 2 2012 12:25AM
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SeanB
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I couldn't agree more. This site is all about SKIING. I don't come on here to educate myself on which essentially anonymous internet identities think so and so is gay. Whether people are at a point in their lives where they recognize the fact that fighting on the internet about trivial things is quite possibly the most monumentally ridiculous wastes of time imaginable or not, I can assure you all that is the case. "Winning" an argument on the internet will not improve your life and it will not make people think you are cool.

There are a lot of awesome people on NS and between us all I don't think there is really anything we don't know about skiing. All but regardless of the questions that might be posed or the ideas that are thrown out there, someone or some people have the answer and virtually all of us can make meaningful contributions that can progress threads in meaningful ways. If people were to think before making posts about whether or not what they are about to post is relevant and in some way contributes to the thread rather than detracting from it I think discussions on here could be infinitely more productive.

One obvious example of this would be how to handle the inevitably frequent threads about questions virtually all of us know the answer to or that have been asked a million times already. As Mr. Bishop mentioned it is indeed unlikely that 12 year olds are responsible for much of the hate on here because people who make threads of that nature are always absolutely crucified and are likely pretty gunshy for a while after that. If someone makes a thread that's been made before, either answer the question in a polite way or politely suggest that they try the search bar or just don't fucking say anything. The sooner that happens the thread will either die out as the question has been answered or it will go in productive new directions. 

Nov 2 2012 12:27AM
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Mr.Bishop
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You know... in the spirit of this thread, what if we posed the idea that we all actually would prefer good discussion vs shitty discussion... regardless of where it is?

I'd go so far as to bet that a large part of the active community doesn't like the trolling morons anywhere... including NSG.

Its very possible to 'fly loose' without being a fucking idiot. I mean I'm 33 years old with a wife and a kid... sometimes I want to get loose, but I don't ever want to be a moron.

Its a shady difference, but I feel its very possible.
Nov 2 2012 12:31AM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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I think people should be allowed to speak their minds in NSG but if they are not respectful their posts should be removed. I have no problems with people respectfully stating their opinions as long as its respectful. The problem comes when people say disrespectful things just because others have a differing view on something. I'm all for mods being able to ban people for be disrespectful in threads that are being used dor intelligent discussion. Also I wouldnt mind if deliberate shit storm threads got shut down right away.
Nov 2 2012 12:36AM
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SKI.ING
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But then as soon as this happens it goes to the polar opposite side of the spectrum such as people hating all the FD stuff and complaining about anything slightly not politically correct and Bishop calling everyone pussies (which I'm fine with also). NS will complain about it no matter which direction you take it, but I do like this idea a lot. Except for NSG, I go there for the comedy.
Nov 2 2012 12:36AM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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me too somewhat. and also news does anyone else get have their world news from nsg
Nov 2 2012 12:40AM
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Mr.Bishop
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There is a VERY fine line here. This topic very specifically is where the difficulty steps in -

You are absolutely allowed to have a discenting opinion. You can even be pretty mad about that opinion. Just don't be a fucking dick about it.

Its very possible to maintain this balance, as its the single most important thing. In no way should people who dislike what FD is all about be silenced. Nor should the people that support them. However, they should be able to conduct a heated argument without crossing 'the line'.

That line is a tricky thing to figure out, but we need to utilize a moderation team that can make that judgement call. If people on the ground think the mods did wrong, respectfully propose in site discussion that moderation went too far.

I'm positive that we are able to handle the issues that nobody agrees upon without degrading to childish poo-slinging. Even in issues where we loathe each others ideas, we can find common ground in our passion for newschool skiing.

Nov 2 2012 12:43AM
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schism
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I've been on NS since 2006. When I joined I was 12 years old, and way too fucking scared to post in any of the main forums. So some friends and I made a cult for the youngins at the time so we could actually talk about skiing together.


As strange as it sounds, I've grown up skiing, and for the past six years newschoolers has had a strong influence of who I am today (now thats a scary thought.)

With out Newschoolers I will 100% guarantee you that I would not have the passion for skiing that I have now. I would not be living in British Columbia, I wouldn't have met so many other passionate and cool people (that happen to be skiers) gone to events like Jib Academy and PWNED, and I sure as hell wouldn't be attending a ski resort operation and management program in college.

The Fact is Newschoolers is such a unique and rad place, and yeah sometimes people can post stupid shit, but that can also define what is newschoolers as a whole, a lot of people just need to learn that freeskiing is going to be a constantly changing, and more and more people are going to be on the forums, asking stupid questions or making dumb threads. It's how the community reacts to it, and how we try to change things into a positive thing.

At the school I go to now i met a 22 year old kid that said he goes on ns a fair bit. We started talking about skiing and equipment and such, and to be honest if he were to post the things he said I would have thought he was 14 or younger (stuff like full tilts are the only good boots, Armada is the only company that makes twintips) So it's not just younger people that are acting stupid.

too be honest, i feel like i'm rambling on, so i'll end it with this, I love you NS, you're the best.




Nov 2 2012 1:07AM
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Mr.Bishop
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That is exactly my original point... it isn't actually the people that are 12 that are the problem... its the people that are acting stupid. None of us actually want that kind of a thing in our day-to-day lives, and we need to stop throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.

Nov 2 2012 1:11AM
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schism
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I completely agree, many people are just confusing ignorance with age. I'm not too sure what to do about it though, other than the original idea of if something is stupid then just delete.
Nov 2 2012 1:18AM
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^nate^
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I've been sincerely trying to get this same message across to Eheath in all of my posts lately.

Start the movement. I like your ideas Bishop.
Nov 2 2012 1:21AM
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SKI.ING
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This example you gave is a whole different beast though. Yes, I agree that sounds really dumb and inexperienced. Yet as a knowledgeable skier it's also your responsibility to educate him and help him out.

The "hey fuck you because you don't like line skis" is different from the "what do i need to enter the backcountry safely, can I wear my alpine boots with touring bindings?" etc.
Nov 2 2012 1:23AM
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schism
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Yeah after re reading my post I've realized that it was definitely a swing and a miss (Too many words and studying today hahaha), but yeah as a knowledgeable skier who has worked a ski shop for 3 years, i attempted to teach him how skis work and how boots is all about the fit.

I agree that as a person who has been on ns for awhile it is our responsibility to help educate the newer/ignorant member.

The best thing though for a new member is to just sit and lurk for awhile just to learn the basics of ns. One of the reasons why I only have 1300ish posts in six years is because i just took it slow and tried to learn as much as possible, before I tried to add content and respond to things.
Nov 2 2012 1:32AM
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Schoellkopf
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I wouldn't mind seeing NS become more mature. One of the reasons I don't post often is because I don't see much worth contributing to (as far as threads go). This is an awesome community and a great way to see and experience people's lives from all over the world. We are all connected through our love for winter and the outdoor lifestyle. I've found that the majority of my friends in real life also share this passion and this is why I feel so keen on being a part of this awesome community.

Keep it up Doug, it's cool to see your increased presence in the forums.
Nov 2 2012 1:34AM
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JStrathern
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Evan is not a part of the problem.. in fact he often drops knowledge on those who are a part of the problem
Nov 2 2012 1:35AM
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SKI.ING
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True enough, I feel you on the lurking thing especially. Too many premature thread creations from newer members. I have enjoyed this conversation.

How all NS conversations should end:

Nov 2 2012 1:39AM
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Puns
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agreed, it's pretty irrelevant.
Nov 2 2012 1:51AM
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titsLOL
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Not gonna lie, my expectations for the material in the NS forums have been at rock bottom for years. Good luck?
Nov 2 2012 1:55AM
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titsLOL
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PS: I blame karma for the demise of newschoolers forums, that shit is stupid. 90% of posts are people beings dicks, 10% are people being nice because "+K" is on the line.
Nov 2 2012 1:58AM
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iSki13
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I like it, BUT will it block the comedy, sometimes laughing is refreshing.

Can you come up with a tag, like "SERIOUS POST TAG" WHERE BULLSHIT GETS DELETED ASAP OR USER WILL GET SUSPENDED IF THEY ACT LIKE A 10 year old.

like the sticky tag, but serious tag
Nov 2 2012 2:01AM
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skiRay
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makes sense to me
Nov 2 2012 2:11AM
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EARL
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Couldn't agree more. This is the best thread I've seen.. Maybe ever.
Nov 2 2012 2:23AM
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iLLbiLLy
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... but if I don't hate on everyone else's shit, how will people know I'm the best skier on the internet?
Nov 2 2012 2:34AM
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KillaSteeze
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I know this is a little bit of topic, but since when have people been allowed to say the "N" word and "fa**ot" on here, I've seen it posted a lot in the past month and havent seen a lot of the posts been removed, not trying to hate on OPs post here, because I 100% agree with what he is saying, I'm just asking since when this was allowed
Nov 2 2012 3:12AM
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snowbombz
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To be a member of NS, you must upload picture of your erect penis to be a member. If it does not pass the approval of the Council of Red Names, you cannot be a member.
Nov 2 2012 3:24AM
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chicken
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Either way, whatever is decided is fine with me. I just mostly think it's stupid to let it all slide in NSG if it gets banned in ski gabber. If people don't want to see it in ski gabber then why the fuck would we want to see it in NSG?

I don't want to see ski gabber become a place of only quality and mature discussion. It also doesn't need to have people purposely trying to ruin threads and posting GIFS to let me know "there's a shit storm a brewin" or someone went "full retard". Being stupid is fine by me but being a dick or being annoying as fuck is what ruins it sometimes.
Nov 2 2012 3:28AM
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PeteMez
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This thread made me late for school! -.-
totally agree though, however... not ALL mid teen/"12" year olds are said dickheads, i've just turned 16 and i try to be as legit and helpful as possible on here... So I feel that the proposed "post limit" earlier in this thread would be harsh on people like me. Sorry for brief post, need to get to school!
Nov 2 2012 4:38AM
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JWeinstock
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Nov 2 2012 6:39AM
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.AR6rider.
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This thread has made me realize what a shitty member of NS I am haha. Oops.
Nov 2 2012 6:56AM
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*kF_pauLo-
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Maybe the staff should add the same functionality as youtube. When a comment is just too bad, the readers should be able to rate it down, therefore it won't show or be marked as 'spam'.
That'd make NS much nicer to read.
Nov 2 2012 7:41AM
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^nate^
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This is absolutely not true. Yes, he does often drop knowledge, but only in cases where the thread is considered in his mind "worthy". Many other times he responds with a short jab at the OP with no context or intellectual contribution to the thread making him exactly the problem. Subsequent bickering ensues and the thread turns into shit.
Nov 2 2012 7:49AM
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Flyon
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I'm 14 in 2 months but i try to be mature when posting in here to try and keep away the whole "SHUT THE FUCK UP 12 YEAR OLD HURRDEFUCKINGHURR" and i've pretty much done a decent job as of now.
Nov 2 2012 7:59AM
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CoreyMacCallum
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I agree completely. I will often refrain from even commenting on discussions just because I don't feel like listening to a bunch of immature trust fund kids try and make themselves feel better about themselves by starting a completely irrelevant argument about someones sexuality rather than having a real discussion. Start a separate forum for people who want to make an ass of themselves and block them from the main forums if they continue to talk shit.
Nov 2 2012 8:01AM
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freeskibum82
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It comes with the territory. I see NS as just a place of crap anyways. There are really no good threads worth reading. I occasionally check out the new articles on the old homepage, but with the new layout i have to hit up the news tab and go to features.

If you want real ski talk, unfortunately its not here. NS is the place for young kids to "drop an edit" doing their best twalllllll or b-doggggggggg impression hoping some "spansor" will see it and contact them to be spansorized.

The same threads popup in the forums using different titles. I glance at SG but have found it more amusing to spend time in NSG. Media forum has become nothing but elitist photography/videography snobs who think they know everything so do not dare post a picture from an iphone over there.

I would be a fan of strict moderation to get it cleaned up.
Nov 2 2012 8:31AM
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Powdered_Donuts
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Sig'd, im still loling at this first of all.. lol

anyways, i agree with the general idea of this post, however you cant deny that having all the freedoms we have here on ns is part of what makes it the place it is, if everything was super serious all the time it wouldnt be as fun to read. Just keep this in mind please as you bend and change the rules. thx
Nov 2 2012 8:32AM
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AwR
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Exactly what I needed to read.
Nov 2 2012 8:35AM
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Dirty.Harry.
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Couldn't agree more with what has been said here.
Nov 2 2012 8:40AM
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JPFortier
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I agree!
Nov 2 2012 9:42AM
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yuck
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amen. crack down hard outside NSG especially. but sometimes in nsg it can be pretty funny, unless its a good thread that gets ruined. but most threads in nsg are doomed from the beginning.

praise bishop
Nov 2 2012 10:03AM
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snowedout
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I agree %100 back in like the 02, 03 days I lived on the ski gabber forums and gear talk. Now I pretty much don't look at anything buy regional's.
Nov 2 2012 10:11AM
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GNARwalls
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this would be super smart! more in ski gabber, in sng it's sort of funny because most of it is stupid shit anyways but regardless it gets annoying somethimes
Nov 2 2012 10:18AM
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Caspaaa
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do it.


just go on a ban/deleting rampage for a month and NS will be beautiful, helpful, clean, organized, and mature
Nov 2 2012 10:42AM
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