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Interesting view on how political groups polarize Pro Life - Pro Choice

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theAbusementPark
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/opinion/sunday/friedman-why-i-am-pro-life.html

thoughts?
Oct 29 2012 2:48PM
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californiagrown
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i dont want your goldigging ass to pin prick my condom so you can get pregnant. I think abortions should be encouraged.

and if you are the only one who has any say on the subject, then you can go fuck yourself on child support.

I dont have any say, I shouldnt have to pay.
Nov 1 2012 1:29AM
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joshua
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So because something is popular that means it is the right thing to do?

At least you are finally admitting this isn't an issue that only concerns women, but is a moral issue, and morals aren't gender based.

What exactly are your trying to say in the rest of your post though? You say:

1. Issue doesn't only concern women

2. I'm a minority on the issue (But I thought you just said it doesn't only ooncern women?)

3. "If it was only the women who were concerned abut this, I woudn't be arguing with you guys." So what, women are pro-life? Only men want women to have abortions? What are you trying to say here? I thought you were of the opinion that abortion is the women's choice.....

4. "The fact is that you can't create an embryo without a woman and most women agree on this." Yes, and what is that supposed to prove? Again, you are gettin getting back to thinking this is an issue that concerns only womem, which makes no sense. You also can't create a fetus without sperm, so what are you trying to prove here?
Nov 1 2012 7:30AM
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Campeador
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Yea just some nurse, she founded planned parenthood and was responsible for building the first abortion clinics in the US. If you support abortion, and by extension planned parenthood, you should at least know where it came from.

Abortion is based in eugenics, yet the argument has somehow been morphed into "women's health". It's the typical left-wing line, shun personal responsibility, encourage government support.


Nov 1 2012 7:37AM
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k-rob
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1. yeah.
2. yeah, pro-life is an archaic way of thinking, from back when slavery was still cool and stuff like that.
3. most women are pro-choice. i don't know how you turned everything i've been saying on it's head in your mind but i'm basically saying the exact opposite of what you seem to think i'm saying. i'm saying i agree with most women and most men, but not you.
4. the woman carries the embryo. if this doesn't mean anything to you and you think that men carry an equal burden in this situation, then once again, i have nothing to say to you.

it's funny that you guys can differentiate between sperm and embryos but not between embryos and people. it's like "haha, hahahahaha, hahaha" funny.
Nov 1 2012 12:48PM
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roddy116
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still waiting on how you can prove that embryos do not have a right to life.
Nov 1 2012 1:00PM
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k-rob
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how can you prove that any of us have a right to life? rights are something we as people just made up to protect ourselves from other people, and for whatever reason we decided not to give them to embryos and sperm and everything else that isn't a person, i actually had no say in the matter so it's not my fault, not that i would give embryos rights if i did.
Nov 1 2012 1:18PM
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joshua
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2. The titles themselves give it away my friend, "prolifers" are "PROOOOO LIIIIIFFFFEEEEE" As in, they uphold life and think that fetuses should be considered human beings with rights. "Prochoice" is being of the opinion that you don't give rats ass about a developing baby, and you should be able to chose whether not you want it or not.

3. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/314640/abortion-and-gender-gap-numbers-ramesh-ponnuru#

You are flat out wrong here.
Nov 1 2012 1:36PM
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joshua
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Again, we are talking about morals here, and morals are not exclusive to either women or men. If abortion is truely wrong, and a fetus really is a real person, then we have TWO people involved, and not just the women, in which case it is not just the women doing what she wants with her own body.

So no, the fact that the women carries the embryo means little to the debate. Sure it concerns them more directly then men, but it means nothing in determining whether abortion is right or wrong.
Nov 1 2012 1:40PM
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k-rob
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2. okay buddy. cry about it.
3. sorry, i was taking on a global scale, not an american or irish one.
Nov 1 2012 1:40PM
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Darth.Maul
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Im pro choice but i believe that people need to fucking live with the consequences of their choices. If your gonna get ficked and get prego the. You should take responsibility for your actions instead of just resulting to abortion because you fucked up. Rape and incest is a different story but if two teen decide that they love each other and get all prego, they shouldnt just result to abortions because they were retarded. If you dont want the baby then dont fucking be a slut and having sex without taking the proper precautions to make sure you dont get prego.
Nov 1 2012 1:48PM
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k-rob
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that's cute that you think your morals should be everyone else's morals too, and that you actually believe that there is any such thing as right and wrong in this universe instead of it being yet another thing we just made up to comfort ourselves and prevent ourselves from being hurt by others. i bet you read that in some fairytale book or something and you've believed it all your life because you're naive.

seriously, how does me getting an abortion affect you? it doesn't. it never did. you don't even know me. but you taking away my right to abort a fetus affects me, you douche. luckily i live in canada so i can abort as many fetus' as i want because my fellow citizens know it's none of their business.
Nov 1 2012 1:51PM
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joshua
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Your right, it doesn't affect me directly, but neither do most other bad things like murder, rape, etc.. Deosn't mean I can't have an opinion on it. Someone who breaks the law is held accountable and placed in jail by a whole of people who are not directly involved (police, judges, jury, etc.) Are you saying we should ONLY be concerned with issues that affect us personally? Remind me to never donate money again.

And if you don't believe in morals, then arguing with you is pointless, because we are not even playing the same game then. You clearly don't care whether anything is right or wrong, benefical, or detrimental, and that is so typical of the pro-choicers. You don't care about whether its murder or not, you would do it anyway.



Nov 1 2012 2:32PM
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deleted5
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shhhh men are talking.
Nov 1 2012 2:33PM
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k-rob
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you don't read anything i post do you. i never said you can't have an opinion, i just said that your opinion is dumb, and that you shouldn't try to force it upon people who are more intelligent and/or more affected by the issue at hand than yourself. i didn't say i don't have morals, i just said that morals differ and aren't determined by reality but only by our individual perceptions of it. i donate money to doctors in africa, it doesn't affect me but i still think my money is better spent on them than me, not that it's relevant to this issue in any way but y'know, you brought it up. and yeah, i would gleefully murder the lot of you pro-lifers, but i won't, because that would take too much effort and i'd probably end up in a cell.

anyways, the actual statistics show that when abortion was illegal, women still did it anyways, and were far more likely likely to injure or even fatally harm themselves in doing so. that's why, here in canada, you can get an abortion, because it prevents women from dying. you might assume that getting an abortion is not a traumatic and profound event for most women, but it is, and they go through with it anyways, for the betterment of their own lives and to spare their potential children from being born into a shit world where they don't feel they can take care of them. human nature doesn't change just because you make up some law against it. it's just so typical of you pro-lifers to assume that outlawing things altogether is the best way to go about handling them, despite mountains of historical evidence against that method.

since you finally agree with me that your opinion differs so wildly from mine that it's pointless to argue, i think we're done here. i'm never going to make you understand that your morals shouldn't affect the rights of those around you. you think murder is wrong because it hurts people, but you think indirectly hurting people by taking away their rights is totally okay, you're totally beyond anything i could say to you to show you how hypocritical that is.
Nov 1 2012 2:55PM
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klayer_9
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I wonder if you ever have considered this issue from a perspective of a women. Probably not because you seem real narrow minded, but I like to look at different perspectives before i make my opinions. It is first and foremost an issue of women's health. I don't see how anyone can think otherwise.
Nov 1 2012 4:03PM
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roddy116
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your contradicting yourself.
Nov 1 2012 4:15PM
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roddy116
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not alot of women get an abortion for health reasons. less than 4% are for health reasons.
Nov 1 2012 5:15PM
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klayer_9
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You are such a lost cause, this is the last post i will direct to you.

Pregnancy is not a overall pleasant process(from what I can tell) and can cause numerous complications, therefore it is a health issue. If a women does not want to subject herself to these risk to her health she should have the freedom to choose to have an abortion.

im out
Nov 1 2012 5:30PM
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roddy116
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lol but there arent alot of abortions due to health complications. therefore your post is irrelevant.
Nov 1 2012 5:33PM
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howlongcanausern
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human life begins at conception.
Nov 1 2012 5:47PM
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k-rob
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you're still saying your.
Nov 1 2012 6:29PM
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roddy116
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just stop talking dude.
Nov 1 2012 6:31PM
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k-rob
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ends when i abort it.
Nov 1 2012 6:31PM
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k-rob
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make me, dude.
Nov 1 2012 6:32PM
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k-rob
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pregnancy is a health complication. it fucks with your entire body and can potentially kill you. being pregnant is not a comfortable state of being, it's not easy, it forces you to change your entire life.
Nov 1 2012 6:36PM
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roddy116
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and yet hardly any women do it because of health concers, whuddaya think of that? 0.o
Nov 1 2012 6:48PM
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deleted5
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Nov 1 2012 6:54PM
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k-rob
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i think you're fucking retarded. so there's more than one reason to get an abortion, this isn't news. come up with a legitimate reason why embryos should have more rights than the women carrying them, oh wait you can't because there isn't one, aside from your sexist ignorance and undying love for other people's unborn children. you think abortion is murder, sweet you just called a large portion of the female population of the entire world murderers, good luck taking them to court, or ever getting one of them to sleep with you.
Nov 1 2012 6:57PM
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roddy116
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mmmmm no
Nov 1 2012 6:57PM
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roddy116
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because its a baby, its a seperate human. it doesnt make me sexist im thinking about the other kid.
Nov 1 2012 6:58PM
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ILLinoisance
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that's fucking plenty enough to keep it legal.
Nov 1 2012 6:58PM
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roddy116
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ehh im fine with that along with rape, i sure as hell dont like it, but im fine with it.
Nov 1 2012 6:59PM
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k-rob
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once again you are unable to distinguish between embryos, fetus', and babies, and once again you prove you can't even spell words right. anyone who thinks men play just as big a role in a pregnancy as a woman is a sexist. you're doing a real good job representing the pro-life side of the argument; "everyone is wrong embryos are people" "everyone is a murderer except pro-lifers" keep going i'd like to hear more.
Nov 1 2012 7:04PM
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roddy116
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please direct me to where i say this, and your resorting to a pretty bad argument that i can not spell. and please i am begging you like on my knees groveling, prove to me, give me some evidence that an embryo is not a human.
Nov 1 2012 7:06PM
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k-rob
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well, not being able to spell is kind of a big deal when you're trying to get a point across, as it shows you are uneducated and probably don't pay attention when people try to teach you things, like just now i told you to stop saying "your" improperly but you keep doing it anyways because you have some kind of learning disability. you have compared abortion to murder on numerous occasions throughout this and other threads, direct yourself to your own damn posts and those of the other pro-lifers that compare abortion to murder in order to try and make me feel bad about it. anyways, you give me some evidence than an embryo is a person and i will in return give you a cookie and continue agreeing with doctors and lawmakers instead of some kid who can't even spell.
Nov 1 2012 7:15PM
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roddy116
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here are stages
here is an argument
and here is a semi religious, but still with scientific, moral, and other types of evidence

can i has my cookie now?
Nov 1 2012 7:24PM
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joshua
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This coming from the guy who hasn't used a proper sentence with capitals in any of his posts.
Nov 1 2012 7:27PM
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k-rob
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no those are the worst sources i have ever seen in my life you are a disgrace with that post i think even your pro-life buddies will kindly tell you to fuck off now since you are making them look bad.
"scientific, moral, and other types of evidence" is one of the funniest things you've ever said, by the way.
Nov 1 2012 7:28PM
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roddy116
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aww no cookie :(

whatever dude show me some other sources, and ill send you a batch of cookies i made that are "better" either way i doubt you even read them.
Nov 1 2012 7:29PM
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k-rob
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welcome to the internet, i will be your guide.
Nov 1 2012 7:33PM
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joshua
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So you are exempt from your own rule of proper grammar?
Nov 1 2012 7:35PM
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roddy116
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yah dude hes a canadian there just that "special"
Nov 1 2012 7:36PM
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Gods_Father
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paulllllllll
Nov 1 2012 7:37PM
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k-rob
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i'm just saying, i tried to help roddy with his spelling because i'm a nice guy and he completely ignored me, how will he ever convince me that he is smarter and knows more about human life than doctors and politicians if he continuously needs to be corrected on how to spell one of the most used words in the english language? not to mention posting religious babble as a source in an argument about science.
Nov 1 2012 7:41PM
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FerrisBueller
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this is you

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Nov 1 2012 7:41PM
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k-rob
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i'm a canadian here, just that special.
Nov 1 2012 7:42PM
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roddy116
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hey dude im sorry if you dont listen to the religious part, just ignore that part. and you have yet to make on single actual good rebuttle ill take a seat here while waiting.
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and if ur r1pp1ng on peeple fer bad spell1ng ur a fucking hypocrite
Nov 1 2012 7:47PM
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k-rob
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wait, what? i already made several rebuttals, to which your only response is "prove embryos aren't people", not that i was trying to prove they aren't, but well i can't prove that, sorry, for all i know embryos are people in disguise as embryos, but when i look at embryos i just don't see it man. maybe i'm the one stuck in the dark ages, i'm an embryoist or something. maybe we should give them the right to free speech and all that, maybe they are people too. you win, i'm bowing out to your fantastic argument, because you started using l337 5p34k and i'm just a lowly n00b. also i call h4x0rz.
Nov 1 2012 7:54PM
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joshua
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You still aren't using proper grammar, so get off your high horse.

Your arguments are bad, and you should feel bad.
Nov 1 2012 7:55PM
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roddy116
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took long enough, anyway no your arguments sucked, give me a reason for your opinions dude.
Nov 1 2012 7:56PM
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