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Armada, Line, Moment, ON3P (ALL MOUNTAIN SKIS)

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MooreofAndrew
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I am torn between a number of skis. I want a ski that carves well, can hold its own on in the park occasionally, and floats in the pow too. I ski mostly Mammoth with trips to Jackson Hole and Whistler as well. I’m looking at the Moment PB&J, ON3P Jeronimo, Line Blend, and Armada TST (probably in that order). I’m a very aggressive skier, 5’8″ 165 and try to get off the trail to find trees and cliffs as much as possible. My current skis are Armada ARVs and I love them but I just beat the crap out of them and it’s time for them to retire. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Oct 26 2012 6:22PM
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50Kal
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Any of those skis will work great except for that Armada TST. I dont know what that's doing there, but it doesn't belong there. Maybe throw in the SFB instead the TST.
Oct 26 2012 6:32PM
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NToTheZ
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Jeronimos there super playful as well and 101mm waist is golden.
Oct 26 2012 6:46PM
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zahava
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Add rossi scimitars to that list! Full U rocker, super low profile so they are gonna feel super surfy and playful but when you tip em on edge the entire length of the ski will be in contact. Probably going to be my next park skis! As for TST's those are a directional ski, not going to really work in the park. I've heard great things about the PB&J, and every single person on here is gonna rave about on3p. Do you like soft or stiff skis?
Oct 26 2012 6:46PM
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MooreofAndrew
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I really like to bounce in and out of my turns on the groomers so I prefer a stiffer ski for those conditions but I know it's hard to find that happy middle ground with floating on the fresh stuff. I would at least some camber on my next skis though and it sounds like the TSTs are off my list now. Thanks!
Oct 27 2012 4:25AM
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malibufishnsurf
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Pretty classic mate - I'm the same height/weight and ski the same spots...had the ARV's too.

Loved the ARV for everything from avy chutes to pipe, but they can't handle speed on groomer days when maching down from the top on gondola laps with my friends who are on race skis. I'm jibbing regardless of conditions and spend a lot of time landing backwards off everything. I'm looking at Kastles, which can handle the speed and aren't too traditional...they have a whole line of twin tips. Talk to Van (who rides nordicas and kastles) or Travis (who only rides the bent chetlers) at Footloose, they will set you up.

I have the Opus for pow days and they're amazing, very surfy, but I can't rail the shit out of them on the groomers. Check out the kastles, I don't think the other skis you mentioned can handle proper speed - if you have a race background or technical background, you can tell when you're making a park ski do something it's not really made for.

Also, a shop owner I know raves about the Armada Triumph, if you're comfortable with a 78mm waist ski they're supposed to be killer. If you can ski, you can ski them in pow too.

Oct 27 2012 12:50PM
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MooreofAndrew
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Thanks man! I know this is going to sound shallow but as cool as they sound, I think the kastles look really boring. If I'm going to be dropping a bunch of cash on some new skis they better look sick. But anyways, I think I've narrowed my search to the PB&Js and the Jeronimos. They basically seem like the same skis from everything I've read. I know that everybody on here raves about ON3P and I'm just curious why?
Oct 29 2012 6:49PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Check out the construction and materials, even though they're similar in shape and intended use, they perform a bit differently on account of whats in em.
Oct 29 2012 8:58PM
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L1FTED
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im 5'10 170 and got the pb&j in a 182.  they are so fun. playful, fast, and legit for all conditions. only been on them twice at  Abay but i know you will not be dissapointed with this ski . on3p is obv a good choice as well
Oct 29 2012 9:42PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Obviously this wont be great for anything switch or park related, but the Vicik is supposed to be a charger to the max.
Oct 29 2012 10:13PM
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Kreech
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Although if we're talking directional on3p skis, the wrenegade will charge harder and handle pow better than the vicik.
To the OP: of the skis you listed, the Jeronimo, Jeffery, PB&J, and Deathwish all sound like they'd be perfect. The Jmo and the PB&J will be slightly narrower and more piste oriented and the Jeff and the Deathwish will both be slightly wider and more off-piste oriented, although all 4 will be extremely versatile. In terms of soft snow performance, the Jmo and Jeffery separate themselves when it comes to rocker lenth and splay, having a noticable amount more than either of the moment offerings. Just something to take into account. If I were you, though, I'd try to demo some of those instead of just relying on interwebs advice about an investment that will cost you hundreds of dollars.
Oct 29 2012 10:20PM
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zahava
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Bingo. Everyone skis differently and prefers different characteristics in theirs skis. Take a ski like armada JJ's, jibbers love em but charging skiers laugh at the sup 15m turn radius.
Oct 29 2012 10:26PM
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MooreofAndrew
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What do you guys think about size? I'm leaning toward 182 ish but not sure if that might be too long. Should I step down to maybe mid 170s?
Nov 4 2012 5:15PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Low 180's.
Nov 4 2012 7:56PM
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3000
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Get the Jmos theyre so nice
Nov 4 2012 8:02PM
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cbucklen
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check out the k2 kung fujas i just got a pair havnt gotten a chance to ride them but i hear they are sick for everything
Nov 4 2012 9:04PM
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zahava
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Classic ns review!
Nov 4 2012 10:00PM
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Stose
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Definitely pick yourself up some on3ps.
Nov 4 2012 11:10PM
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Mr_pretzel
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Classic witty helpful comment.

Nov 5 2012 9:13AM
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zahava
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Touché
Nov 5 2012 9:15AM
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Caucasian_Asian
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*Touché
Nov 5 2012 10:39AM
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adamohurd
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Go big and get JJ's man
Nov 28 2012 8:28PM
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MooreofAndrew
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How do you think the Moment PB&J compares to the Line Sir Francis Bacon?
Nov 29 2012 3:49PM
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Bender.
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This!
JJ's are super fun in all conditions. When you're in variable snow or super hardpack, you won't remember you're on powder oriented skis. With that being said, you can charge until your balls are in your throat in the deep stuff and immediately shut down your speed. Tree skiing is also fun as motorboating your friend's tits.

Though I've heard great things about the PB&J's, Jeronimos, and SFB's. I doubt any one of those would be a bad choice.

Next year I'm going for some Jeronimos as my all mountain tool for sure.
Nov 29 2012 8:07PM
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MooreofAndrew
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I ended up getting the PB&Js and I absolutely love them. They haul ass down the mountain want to be going 100 mph all the time. Super fun all around and even in the bumps (the mustache rocker gives them a super flowy ability). They carve like nobody's business and float in a decent amount of fresh snow. I've had them in Mammoth and Whistler with fresh and wouldn't have had anything else. I demoed the SFB in Whistler for a couple of hours and it was way too soft. Very happy with my purchase
Feb 6 2013 4:55PM
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adamohurd
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the blend sounds like a hella good choice. and if you get the 2011 model, theyre sick as hell.
Feb 7 2013 2:06AM
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