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The Men Who Built America

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C-Burg
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It was a documentary on The History Channel, about Carnegie, Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, JP Morgan, and the business men after the Civil War. It was a great history lesson on business, entrepreneurs, and the risk associated with business. If you want to see it, it is on history.com
Oct 21 2012 8:54PM
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Gods_Father
Posts: 1466 - Karma: -284

you posted this as ur 666th post, you evil son of a whore.

you're definitely going to get testicular cancer bitch.

Oct 23 2012 1:58AM
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Ahmadinejad
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Oct 23 2012 2:00AM
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Ahmadinejad
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new sig
Oct 23 2012 2:02AM
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brosephstalin
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lol nice

ahmadinejad

in the house

w/ dat materialist analysis

#getonmylevel
Oct 23 2012 2:04AM
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roor
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Believing in different levels is So uncomunistic of you
Oct 23 2012 2:12AM
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brosephstalin
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um

um

hierarchy =//= social class

#readsomebooks
Oct 23 2012 2:17AM
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roor
Posts: 946 - Karma: -80
Hierarchy is based on skill or materials which leads to the creation of class #marxisfullofshit
Oct 23 2012 2:35AM
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brosephstalin
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class is based on your relation to the mode of production
Oct 23 2012 2:30PM
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roor
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That's not the question. What is hierarchy based on?. By your logic there has to be a classes in comunism because some one.
Oct 23 2012 2:57PM
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roor
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Some one needs to run the government and distribute wealth or do you believe the Marxist fairy does that
Oct 23 2012 2:58PM
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Gods_Father
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"There are no real monopolies or tycoons left."

#readsomebooks

Oct 23 2012 6:25PM
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Gods_Father
Posts: 1466 - Karma: -284
yup, you mean when america went off the gold standard thanks to these banksters who lobbied for a corrupt fiat system and who still pull the same shit today because people refuse to know.
Oct 23 2012 7:11PM
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Gods_Father
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totally agree but i strongly believe that leaving the gold standard was the nail in the coffin. just look at the USD and gold now and historically compare. fuck the fed.

i'd like to leave you with a quote of probably the greediest shit i have ever read.....

"Competition is a sin." -John D. Rockefeller

Oct 23 2012 7:38PM
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roor
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I aready responded to this but there are no monopolies to the extent of these men #youratroll
Oct 23 2012 7:56PM
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Gods_Father
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why do you keep admitting to being an imbecile? does the FDA ring any bells?
Oct 23 2012 8:02PM
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roor
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The FDA is a public department. That's like saying the us is a monopoly because it runs a large region of land
Oct 23 2012 8:04PM
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daannnnieel
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is your name related to the bong company?

sorry, I need to know and fuck pms.
Oct 23 2012 8:06PM
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Ahmadinejad
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Someone has to. I don't trust the Marxist fairy. Never seen evidence to prove he/she exists.
Oct 23 2012 8:09PM
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roor
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So there are classes in comunism...
Oct 23 2012 8:11PM
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Ahmadinejad
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Some sort of chain of command otherwise it'd be anarchy.

also roor, you keep spelling communism wrong.


Oct 23 2012 8:15PM
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Gods_Father
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 lol that's like saying the federal reserve is a public place. be honest, you don't know what the FDA is. here's a quote for you.......

"What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks its doing are as different as night and day."-Herbert Ley Jr.(former commissioner of FDA)

Oct 23 2012 8:23PM
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Gods_Father
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i'm starting to think that you don't know what a monopoly is since you can't recognize that the FDA is one lol.
Oct 23 2012 8:28PM
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roor
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The chairmen of the fed is appointed by elected officials just like the FDA. So the the people who leads them technically represent the people's choices much like the process to become a fed judge.  I think you referring to how lobbying corrupts the system but I would know from that vague quote. That my friend is the political system not a monopoly. Or maybe your talking about how much power they have which is like saying congress is a monopoly because they are the only ones that make the law
Oct 23 2012 8:35PM
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roor
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So you don't believe comunism will work because there cannot be any classes in comunism. Since Broshep defined as a relation to the mode of production for us then Under the communistic system every one has to be a producer and there cannot be any government admins
Oct 23 2012 8:39PM
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Gods_Father
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hahahahahhahahaahaahahahha

have a nice day, clone.

Oct 23 2012 8:39PM
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roor
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Prove me wrong then
Oct 23 2012 8:44PM
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roor
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Flying spoon In a day were there were no rules in the market these guys didn't effect the market these guys own the market the true signature of a monopoly
Oct 23 2012 8:49PM
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brosephstalin
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there's a qualitative difference between hierarchy and social class

if you don't recognize this, there's no helping you
Oct 23 2012 9:57PM
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brosephstalin
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there's a qualitative difference between hierarchy and social class

if you don't recognize this, there's no helping you
Oct 23 2012 9:57PM
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roor
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But are they not interconnected and dependent on eachother? You still have not combated any of my points just changed the subject which is why we have gone from the original purpose of the Thread to nazi German to comunism and then to social class
Oct 23 2012 10:08PM
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brosephstalin
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you'll have to remind me abou the original purpose of the thread because i have forgotten

social class is hierarchical. but not all hierarchies are based on social class.

in soviet union, managers were elected by the soviets from the factory floor.

the communist party was made up of mostly peasants and workers.

the bureaucracy was composed of working class, professional, and technical classes
Oct 23 2012 10:23PM
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Gods_Father
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jesus.......this is the exact same as you saying that IG Farben did not "create" the gas.......they "funded" it therefore are responsible for the creation of it lol why can't you wrap your head around that. no wonder they are not "combating" your points. if you are trying to spread lies by trolling then atleast try to avoid contradicting yourself like that. 

Oct 23 2012 10:32PM
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roor
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Lol no social classes you mentioned like 10. The reason communist party is made up of peasants and worker Is because that all communism will ever produce. I don't know any Siberian farmer who was in the bureaucracy. Do you think Anyone in the bureaucracy would let their son work a field ? People don't give up power and wealth which is why hierarchical system turns into classes. The only way for a soviet to break the class system was to join the military And become a hero.
Oct 23 2012 10:33PM
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roor
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They did not fund it they invested a company who had A patent for a pesticide before the war. The company then subleased their patent during the war to two manufaures. That's like saying because I have a patent for nuclear reaction someone asked me to lease them the patent. They make a nuclear bomb which was unthought of at the time of the agreement. Now I am responsible for funding the nuclear bomb and killing thousands of people
Oct 23 2012 10:39PM
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Gods_Father
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this has nothing to do with the patent, kid. do you think the funds IG Farben provided came out of thin air? no the $ came from rockefeller's investment capital. stop telling lies.
Oct 23 2012 11:20PM
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brosephstalin
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there wasn't a class system in the soviet union


Oct 23 2012 11:40PM
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_Garagely_
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Holy shit, you three are really going after it!
Oct 24 2012 12:11AM
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roor
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How many times do I have to explain it. Its right in front of you lol it has everything to do with patents since they were aproched by two companies looking to lease igs patent. At the time zklon b was a pesticide with no military or biogical warfare uses. Even if they knew it was being shipped to concentration camps which I doubt zyklon b is used to Delouse (kill disease spreading bugs) prisioners cloths.
Oct 24 2012 1:16AM
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roor
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That's all you have for me?
Oct 24 2012 1:17AM
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maxwell666
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That's not what survival of the fittest means...
Oct 24 2012 1:50AM
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Gods_Father
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well you're admitting that you don't know what you're talking about by still bringing up patents........ patents have nothing to do with the oil/drug cartels turning a nation into a military machine.

it is fact that without the $ (rockefeller's $) IG Farben cartel could not have produced the gas and could never have gained as much power as they did. but hey, you're still denying that rockefeller even invested in them lol so you must deny that Standard IG Farben existed in the first place.

it sounds like you have everything figured out, continue to praise evil people and vilify people like the american prosecutors from the nuremberg trials.

Oct 24 2012 6:30PM
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roor
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So now your blaming ig for hitler breaking the armist. How many times do I have to tell you the company the ig owned shares in did not make zyklon only held the patents. The two companies who produced zyklon b are two separate entities from ig. The person who invented black powder that was originally used in fireworks should be held accountable for every person ever killed by a gun. Your stupid
Oct 24 2012 6:43PM
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Gods_Father
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ig farben is a CARTEL. dumb bastard. i know ig did not "make" it, they FUNDED it therefore are responsible for it being created. 

no funds=no make. how many times do i have to tell you and how simple do i have to put it for you lol?

"Your stupid"

don't you mean "you're"

Oct 24 2012 7:05PM
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Gods_Father
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i don't get it? are you saying that the US prosecutors at nuremberg were wrong and the nazis/scientists were wrongfully sentenced/accused?
Oct 24 2012 7:08PM
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roor
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Superior orders is a long held rule of law. The London character nullified this defense after the war 1945. As such the nuremburg trials did not recognize that defense. Since most of the crimes you are taking about happened before 1945 the yes lawfully they were wrongly sentenced. Does that make the things they did right no am I happy they rotted in jail yes but lawfully they were wrongly sentenced
Oct 24 2012 7:18PM
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Gods_Father
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so you're saying the US prosecutors were wrong........you can just say it.
Oct 24 2012 7:22PM
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TheBlueMtSkier
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What the fuck, guys. This thread had potential because of how bad ass this show is, but god damn you three and your arguing.

Read through the last three pages and it's 90% of political arguments. Why?


Discuss how amazing this show is.



Contribution: TMWBA really puts into perspective of how insane America was 100+ years ago. Could do whatever the fuck you wanted as long as it wasn't completely ridiculous. Like Vanderbilt blocking the only railroad bridge to get into NY to cause stock to plummet so he could commence a cheap hostile takeover of companies.

So much litigation nowadays. Oh well, it's for the better I like to think.
Oct 24 2012 7:23PM
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roor
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Ig is not a cartel the right word would be conglomerate. Zyklon b was used for the past 10 years before ig bought into the company. So they did not fund the development of the pesticide. Let see if I can get this right this time you're an idiot
Oct 24 2012 7:30PM
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TheBlueMtSkier
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Go away
Oct 24 2012 7:33PM
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roor
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According to the law yes. According to morals no
Oct 24 2012 7:33PM
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