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Heard it from me first, folks

So... Apparently these are the details/spec for the brand new GoPro Hero 3 to be released soon. Black edition sounds rad, 120fps @ 720p.

"The HD Hero 3 is a huge step ahead of the HD Hero 2. People are going to love these cameras. We will offer three models; the HD Hero 3 White Edition, Silver Edition and Black Edition. We will have three price points, and all three models have WiFi Built into them. They all share a new form factor which is the same rectangular shape (which lends itself to be mounted anywhere, including the Chest), but it's much thinner than the HD1/ HD2. The HD Hero 3 + Backpack is the size of todays camera by itself. All three models will come shipped with the new housing which incorporates an underwater lens into the housing and an improved locking latch. The camera needs to work as well under the water as above the water since it's waterproof. We did have to go to the Micro SD Card format since SD Card Trays are way to big for this camera. There are ton of other improvements; I'll send out a Camera Comparison Sheet once we have that and are allowed to send images.

Camera Line Up:

HD Hero 3 White Edition - $199 Retail. This is basically an HD Hero 1 Camera (5mp photo sensor, etc.) that includes WiFi, dive lens and the new, thinner form factor. Available 10/21/12 to ship.

1080/30, 960/30, 720/60
5MP Photo
3 shots 1 second photo burst
WiFi Built in
Improved Housing (locking latch / dive lens)

HD Hero 3 Silver Edition - $299 Retail. This is your HD Hero 2 camera with WiFi built in, new form factor and improved housing. Available 10/21/12 to ship.

1080/30, 960/48, 720/60
11MP Photo
10 shots 1 second photo burst
WiFi Built in
Advanced Features / Capture (Protune and White Balance)
Improved Housing (locking latch / dive lens)

HD Hero 3 Black Edition - $399 Retail. This is brand new technology with incredible new settings. Available mid to late November to ship.

4K/15, 2.7K/30, 1440/48, 1080/60, 960/100, 720/120
12MP Photo
30 shots in 1 second (plus many more burst settings where you can control how many shots in the burst and how long the burst lasts)
WiFi Built in
Remote Control Included (only on this model - remote is $79.95 by itself) - if you net out the price of the remote, the Black Edition is only $20 more than the Silver Edition.
Advanced Features / Capture (Protune, White Balance, Continuous Photo, and Picture in Video - PIV capabilities)
Improved Housing (Locking Latch / Dive Lens)
Oct 16 2012 6:19PM
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eheath
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4k isn't going to be the standard in one year, its going to be at least 5 before 4k tvs are even in peoples houses. Its taken 1080p 2-3yrs to be the standard from 720p/1080i and that is a very small change.
Oct 16 2012 11:28PM
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[~_~]
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This also depends on the rate at which TV manufacturers recover their losses from their monumental 3DTV failure.
Oct 16 2012 11:31PM
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jkauffman22
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Threads. Just heard about it today. Now to read through the thread
Oct 16 2012 11:31PM
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t_rob
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My point exactly.
Oct 16 2012 11:31PM
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t_rob
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Pfft. Kickstarter to the rescue. #jokes
Oct 16 2012 11:32PM
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BolderPro
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spot on!!
Oct 16 2012 11:39PM
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Flacko
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i dont see how this could be bad, mabie unnecessary but not bad. not everyone can afford a 2 grand camera setup. in my opinion it would help get decent cameras into the hands of people who cant afford to spend a ton of money. if anything there pushing the market and hopefully making it more affordable for people like me who dont have hundreds of dollars laying around. besides there will always be shitty edits made by 12 year olds and its not like this is going to increase those. Improvement is improvement and i don't see how you could complain about that.
Oct 16 2012 11:42PM
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gravel
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you don't just wait around for it to happen. why should gopro wait for 4k to open in the consumer market when they can do exactly what they're doing and bring it in themselves?
Oct 16 2012 11:43PM
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Because the other features of the camera will become dated before its 4K feature gains any use. The money they put towards implementing 4K could have gone towards something that would actually improve the image.
Oct 16 2012 11:47PM
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FerrisBueller
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i jiszzed
Oct 16 2012 11:47PM
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t_rob
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Because it doesn't matter if someone beats gopro to come out with a better product. A better product (1) isn't any more functional and (2) go pro has the market share, brand image, and all of that other marketing jargon. What gopro has established can't be ruined tomorrow even if someone came out with 8k. Gopro is established and could respond to competitors and one up them as needed.
Oct 16 2012 11:54PM
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McLeod
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oh wait, so Gopro didn't already have a high frame rate, HD option in their Hero2 Camera?!?!

Damn......

While this announcement is great, it does call to mind the Hero2 release and the feeling that some of these attributes probably should have come out in that camera.....

as a consumer you wouldn't have known otherwise watching their HD Hero2 YouTube release and subsequent marketing videos. Representing a key product sales point (120 fps option) in advertisements by utilizing TWIXTOR to falsely depict that capability in HD, instead of it's true WVGA quality, without note, is a pretty basic example of false or misleading representations and deceptive advertising. While likely not legally culpable, any reasonable consumer would agree that such tactics are questionable. How no one has highlighted that since the Hero 2's release is beyond me. While advertisement law is a murky area, the FTC regulates that, "what is illegal is the potential to deceive, which is interpreted to occur when consumers see the advertising to be stating to them, explicitly or implicitly, a claim that they may not realize is false and material."

I love GoPro and I think that they are one of the best examples of innovation and new enterprise in the modern market, it just seems like an unnecessary risk for a marketing department and company to take, legal or not.....

some random thoughts as we discuss a new product..... as companies race to constantly bring us the "biggest new thing" in accelerated product cycles it is important for consumers to provide checks and balances.

Can't wait to get this badass little camera into the field, talk about taking it to the big dogs. Canon couldn't offer a 1080p/60p option in the recent 5d mIII release, but GoPro can offer 720p/120p?! Big ups on that Gopro.

Oct 16 2012 11:58PM
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TijmenDal
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Agreed, but I guess what GoPro is most interested in, is selling as many camera's as they can. 4K will be the best thing to market. That's why they went that route. They could've put out a better product for *us* (people that actually have a passion for this kinda stuff), but in the end, it's the masses that they sell most of the GoPro's to.
Oct 16 2012 11:59PM
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Indeed. We always bitch and moan but in the end you can't fault a business for prioritizing profit.
Oct 17 2012 12:01AM
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g-man
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unless they wifi connect to a LTE device, which then broadcasts the live footage (probably 720p/30, to start) to a newly created online community of gopro3 users who each have a channel, which you can share on your facebook, NS, Pinkbike, etc profile. oh wait they don't have this for some reason. yeah, wifi stupid.
Oct 17 2012 12:01AM
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Jacuse
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yup, it's unfortunate, but I don't blame them
Oct 17 2012 12:04AM
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gravel
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okay, yeah, word.

but as for them putting the money toward other things, gopro could probably take shits on their money and still make a profit.
Oct 17 2012 12:06AM
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You mean live broadcast from the middle of the wilderness, thereby adding more to the obnoxious crap that people feel the need to put on the internet? Call me crusty, but the whole personal broadcasting movement seems a dark alleyway me thinks.
Oct 17 2012 12:16AM
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This is the problem with fast-expanding technological industries. Because our definitions of specification terminology is ambiguous at best, this gives companies free reign to deceive the consumer. Saying that a camera is HD or has beautiful optics is open to debate. Some will argue that no DSLR is capable of actually shooting 1080p (me), while others will say they do.
Oct 17 2012 12:20AM
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TijmenDal
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Sadly.

I think WiFi is a great option, if it weren't to get abused so much. I agree with you that people will have an even stronger urge to upload crap, but for the people it's useful to, it's actually great.
Same thing with WiFi in camera's. For commercial use, it's great to be able to tether your camera wireless to any computer/tablet and what not.
Oct 17 2012 12:21AM
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snomaster
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one-upped Sony for sure. And T-Rob, gopro still is a young company and they aren't a shoe-in as a major player for years to come, yet. This release is a direct response to the Sony HXR.
Oct 17 2012 12:27AM
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Rafiki
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my friend just pre-ordered 3 black editions... jealous as fuck :(
Oct 17 2012 12:46AM
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Rafiki
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forgot to add, ALL 3 for ~$450
Oct 17 2012 12:51AM
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gravel
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wut. how?
Oct 17 2012 12:54AM
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Rafiki
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he's a sponsored SUP racer and has hookups. i'm thinking i might have him get me one at that price. fuck i'm jealous
Oct 17 2012 12:58AM
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attackattack2
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you're acting like a stuckup cockmuncher, go away
Oct 17 2012 1:04AM
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Rafiki
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how? he's sponsored by Starboard SUP and Victory Kore Dry, he knows people in the action sports industry. i'm no cactus expert, but i know a prick when i see one. fuck off
Oct 17 2012 1:13AM
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TijmenDal
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Haha.

Well said. I'd get one for 150$... DAAAAAMN!

The smaller size is pretty appealing.
Oct 17 2012 1:19AM
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t_rob
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I know your first and third sentence are straight troll but you're wrong on your second.

Gopro is a very established company. Yes, go pro makes cameras and sony makes cameras but they don't really compete with eachother. Gopro competes in the POV camera market which is night and day from hdslrs and fsXXX, CXXX, and every other camera.

We all know that go pros are snap on and go. That's it. The world knows that, they see their ads on tv every week. We don't know sony makes a toyota to this honda.

Sony just came out with their answer to the gopro hd hero 2 last month. Did you even know that? Does anyone know that? It's called the hdr-as15. Not to say that it doesn't look like a great product, sony has a great brand value. However, they're still fucked in the pov market as I explained in previous posts.

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Back in June I did a lot of research between car shares (zipcar) vs. the traditional rental car industry. What I remember the most from all of that was a quote from the ceo of hertz, a huge established corporation, saying that hertz isn't able to compete with zipcar because they are established and hertz is not. Comparing zipcar to hertz is incredibly similar to comparing pov's to hdslrs.
Oct 17 2012 1:28AM
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CrotchKiller
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that was a stupid comment
Oct 17 2012 3:04AM
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Downtofilm
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Rumours are true!
The Wi-Fi enabled HERO3: Black Edition is the most advanced GoPro, ever. No expense was spared during its development, resulting in a GoPro that is 30% smaller, 25% lighter & 2X more powerful than previous models. New resolutions and frame-rates include 4Kp 15, 2.7kp 30, 1080p 60, 1440p 48, 960p 100, 720p 100 and 12MP burst photo capture at 30 fps. Yes, for real.

sounds real sick!
Oct 17 2012 3:09AM
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juicedrummer11
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i just wanna check out there site but its overloaded with traffic right now
Oct 17 2012 3:11AM
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Linked
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hopefully this pushes the next generation of dslrs further considering how small a gopro compared to a dslr
Oct 17 2012 3:23AM
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Moosen
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HOLY FUCK! WILL BE BUYING! O.O what's a t3i? haha jk
Oct 17 2012 3:26AM
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eheath
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I am 12 and what is this.

Im guessing square 1440? like the 960? Kinda cool.
Oct 17 2012 4:07AM
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mammothpunks
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ya its 4x3

Oct 17 2012 4:11AM
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eheath
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yeah ha, not square but NTSC SD shape aka 4x3
Oct 17 2012 4:27AM
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Laurent.
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Quoting myself.

I just jizzed twice over this.
Oct 17 2012 4:48AM
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Literature
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They're marketing with mermaids. What could go wrong?
Oct 17 2012 5:09AM
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razors-chaz
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camera seems decent but some of the accessories seem poorly thought out.
touch screen lcd backpac, great so you cant use the back pac without taking off your gloves, what does most people doing action sports wear? gloves. I guess its a push on use of the remote but still touch screens are overrated, buttons work fine for me.
"The frame" wtf? one of the best things about the gopro is that you can get relatively high quality footage in such a burly cased camera, why ruin that? the only benefit i can see is you might get marginally better sound quality and its a little less bulky but why put your $400 camera on the line for some better wind noises and a minimal improvement on weight and size. I can see so many threads right now along the lines of " I put my gopro in the frame and took it riding, i fell and now its fucked". I realise there is a market for this in terms of the non action sports use (possibly with and external mic) that doesnt require such protection for the camera, while still having the versatility of the mounting options, but when gopro hold such a stake in the action sports market i dont see why they bothered.
Oct 17 2012 5:27AM
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abek
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Just want to chime in here because I've actually used the HERO3 (helped develop it, and helped shoot/edited the HERO3 reel).

This is a BIG jump in technology from HERO2. Yes, you are right in that a company could toss on some scalers and shortcuts to get 4K or any size image they want so they can tout some fancy features that are buzzwords.

HERO3 is not that - you are working with a team of talented engineers and a daring young company that says, okay, we have a processor that can do x and a sensor that can do Y, should we enable 4K? Fuck it, do it.

1080-60 is native in the camera, so is 2.7K, so is 4K. In HERO2 720-30 isn't even native to the sensor, there's some processing shortcuts to get the image to where it is.

HERO3 is a huge leap in hardware technology, and is actually utilizing a very expensive sensor & processor to do the things it does.
Oct 17 2012 5:31AM
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abek
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Your arguments need work...

The LCD touch works the same exact way the old LCD did, except this time, if you want to have complete touch screen controls over viewing photos/videos, and camera settings, you've got it.

The frame - it's an additional accessory - a choice. Tons of uses of this camera don't require a waterproof shockproof housing. Expanding markets, reducing size & weight.
Oct 17 2012 5:37AM
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WillStart
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for some reason people assume that the addition of a touch screen = the elimination of ALL buttons. it's pretty retarded
Oct 17 2012 5:53AM
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Mag
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1080p60 would be nice, but if they have the same exposure/wb problems as the others it's still useless to me.
Oct 17 2012 7:16AM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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I really just want the low light performance, better lens, and better photos and the filming modes of the black edition. Don't need the wi fi stuff, or even any of the mounts. I hope you can just buy the camera by itself. probably going to have get a used one like that.
Oct 17 2012 8:37AM
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jibcrew1
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this i hope they get ride of the fisheye look sometime soon but the shooting modes are all there maybe next year they can ad a nd filter into the case or someone could make one
Oct 17 2012 9:08AM
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.qzyxya
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holy hell 4k 15fps? 720p 120fps? Damn.
I wish they could put stuff like this on DSLRS (though it is pretty sick that sony has 1080p 60fps, I'd love 120fps 720p).
Oct 17 2012 9:51AM
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zahava
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I agree that use of wifi is very stupid, but for journalists eye-fi cards or wifi enabled cameras are huge. Shoot a photo an in like 2 seconds have it sent off to your publisher from yor smart-phone. Heck you can even edit/crop it with an app.
Oct 17 2012 10:09AM
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Mag
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I can't see the 4k getting used much, sure it'd be decent for getting some photos, but that's about it imo
Oct 17 2012 10:29AM
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g-man
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A) you don't get 3 or 4 g in the wilderness. I was thinking more bike parks, dirt bike tracks, etc. B) it would actually remove obnoxious crap, as it would be on, and then gone.
Oct 17 2012 11:13AM
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