I just got back from Iraq

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I know iraq had no wmds, but they were developing them, this means they were trying to get them. and sooner or later they would have.

Oct 22 2004 8:06PM

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^^^ the un would not sign on to the US drafted resolution about two months or more ago that labeled the 'conflict' (its not really a conflict, more like a massacre) the final decision from the UN, under pressure from the sudaneese ambasador, was not to accept the resolution, and they ended up sending AU troops to handle the situation. we offered, they said no.

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heres an article about how its being handled.

http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3313647

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Oct 22 2004 8:14PM

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i didnt read alot of this, but props on surviving over there and all that jazz.

however, i think it is one hell of a backwards -ass war. terrrorist hate america for exactly this reason. we think its our right to go fuck with everyone. we try to be the world's police force. we do not respect other countries freedoms. if we dont think what they are doing is right, than tough shit, we dont have the right to interfere. and this goes way beyond military issues. how bout the fact that there is a McDonalds Fuckin Everywhere now. american corperations have shipped work overseas, and in turn brought with them american culture. just cause we like american culture doesnt mean every other country does or should have to. thats the thing. to them, america is just trying to rob them of thier identy, and make them into a little american clone where they can produce GAP clothes at next to nothing. its fuckin wrong, and i completely understand why terrorist hate america- i would too if i was in thier boat. and fuck bush, we dont need a president whos not scared of war- thats the worst kind. someone whos smart enough to keep us out of trouble in the first place is way better. im not saying kerry is that man by any means, but hes at least a little bit better than bush.

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Oct 22 2004 10:36PM

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ok here ill give sum examples i only read a bit of your post...

1. if joe murders chuck

then with sum ppls idea is that bec you trhow Joe in jail or kill him youll piss off all the murders in the world.... but it says he think twice befor you take someone life bec youll die too

2 terrorist well they atacked us... and we went on the offensive... i just think it better if you go after them.... i think killing will piss em off but it will make em think twice on doing it again... i mean US army is strait gangsta we kick ass... and i support what we are doing in iraq in afgan... but you have to realize doing nothin is not the answer
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Oct 22 2004 10:44PM

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yeah, but thats whats happening. IRAQ didnt attack us. bush realized he wasnt gonna catch bin laden (might be becasue he is good friends with the bin ladens? ) so he just slowly shiffted attention to iraq, which was his daddies war. he just wanted to make dad proud. shure, they arnt the nices place around, but they didnt have WMD and they werent planning anything aghinst us. somehow tho, there are all sorts of countries with WMDS that are runnin around unregulated.

I still just have no idea how you can mistake your dick and a chicken neck, let alone not realize what you are doing. -manus

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Oct 23 2004 12:26AM

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FUCK BUSH!
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Oct 23 2004 1:08AM

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Oct 23 2004 2:36AM

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'Itâ€™s proven that Hussein gave money to the families of the dead Palestinian terrorist. was there a link between irak and terorism? YES! ask israeli children who died because of this money. '

Fuck I hate the word terrorism. If you were in Palestineâ€™s situation you would be a 'terrorist'. If say Canada just came and said oh yeah we have rights to half the states weâ€™ll take them now you would probably fight them. Israel kills just as many Palestinians and continues to expand into supposedly Palestinian areas - thatâ€™s a war, not terrorism; the only difference is methods because Palestinians have a lot less money. I would even say that 'Islamic' terrorism is a war - there is a reason that a lot of people in the Middle East hate the US you know.

â€œi mean US army is strait gangsta we kick assâ€?

No the US army is shit. It can obviously easily crush somewhere like Iraq but that is only because of the huge financial backing it has for advanced equipment, air force etc. The actual army just shoots its allies.

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^fuck no!!! a war = two armies fighting each other. palestinian do not kill soldiers, they kill innocent people. as when israel kills people, it's just collateral to an action against muslim terrorists. if i was palestinian, i wouldn't try to eliminate israel. and i wouldn't be islamist.
Moreover, jews were ther before.
last: the argument that we should fight all dictators is not a good one: to start that you got to start somewhere. why iraq less than an other one?

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Oct 23 2004 6:42AM

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Um, estaked... the example you just provided is one of the silliest things I've ever read in my life.

If Joe kills Chuck, you should throw Joe in jail. However, if Joe kills Chuck, you should NOT go and kill a bunch of people in another country who have nothing to do with either of them.

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punk_rider, it's really not as easy as saying, 'If I were Palestinian, I wouldn't hate Israel.' Know why? You're not Palestinian. You have absolutely no idea about what it feels like to be Palestinian (I'm not claiming that I do, either). You can't judge how you would react in a circumstance without having been in that circumstance, raised in that circumstance, born into that circumstance. (side note: I support Israel, but for reasons different than yours).

And, um, saying that 'anyway, the Jews were there first' is sort of silly as well, considering that the Hebrews had to slaughter a bunch of people to 'get there first' in the first place (source cited: the Old Testament). According to your logic, we should divide up the world according to which religious group was 'there first?'

Now, I'm confused about this whole dictatorship thing and this whole invasion thing. Are you saying that U.S. foreign policy should be to plan the invasion of every country ruled by 'a dictator?' How do we determine what a dictator is? Is it physically possible for the U.S. to do so? If it isn't, should we even 'find a good place to start' if a finish is impossible? Wouldn't it be very easy to abuse our new license to kill?

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And here's my view on the whole dictatorship think: it's a bit harsh, a bit callous, but this is how I feel.

Know what? I'm sure it absolutely sucked living in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. I'm sure it blew fucking balls. But I don't think it's my job to go get the monkey off of someone else's back. That's THEIR OWN job. The only way that a new government is going to work is if the PEOPLE OF IRAQ want that government bad enough to create it for themselves. It's not the U.S.'s job to solve Iraq's problems any more than it is our job to solve France's problems (and don't try to make a WWII comparison unless you want to bring on the heat, because the two situations are not at all similar).

Seems once I start talking, I just can't stop. My view on the 'liberator' v. 'occupier' argument: I don't consider anyone a liberator when he still walks the street in full body armor and a loaded gun over a year after he liberated your country. I don't recall U.S. soldiers patrolling Paris after WWII.

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Oct 23 2004 7:27AM

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also like h30 said, not everyone was 'against' you they were against the war, you can support the troops for what they've done but still be against why they were there, and im not saying you guys just all decided to go fight, bush declared war and made you all fight

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Oct 23 2004 7:50AM

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I have to say punkrider made a good point when pointing out that it is terrorism when islamic 'freedom fighters' kill innocent people, that is not war, that is terrorism.

Oct 23 2004 10:27AM

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Oct 23 2004 11:20AM

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its terrorism when george bush's army kills thousands of innocent iraqi's too. fuck the war, and the republican party.

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Oct 23 2004 12:11PM

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I support the troops that are not heartless murderers, such as yourself. you are saying that it is the right thing to do, to invade a country, killing more people than needed. More civilians are dead, because our anti-christ of a president decided that it was up to him, not his constituents(us), to murder people. george bush, and the people willingly over in iraq murdering right now are more of terrorists that osama and saddam put together. So no matter how mush criticism i get for this i say fuck you. i support the people who know its wrong and are over there against their will. i know the military is volunteer, but your presidents childish actions are not, i do not support however, everybody over there who is proud to kill, the people ive talked to first hand that have seen us soldiers lure iraqis in with water, then shoot them. So, fuck the murderers of the us, including you. god will judge us all one day, and your time will come man. if you want to fight, you deserve to die.
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^ im saying you are a heartless murderer
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Oct 23 2004 12:30PM

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'bush did what he thought was right and thats as much as you can ask from any president' - WOW. what a comment. maybe im picky but id like to see the president make the decision which IS right, not just the one he thinks hes right. a persons opinion can easily be wrong, even if they're the president.

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Oct 23 2004 1:53PM

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ah that comment was made by candidefan04 awhile back....didnt realze there was a third page to this thing

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to husksetr or kamikaze: i just can't beleive you really think bush do not care of human lives!! look at his face when he knew what was hppening in NY on 9/11. few days later, he cried. don't be dumb enough to say that was acting. plaese. his father was a soldier and almost died in the middle of nowhere in pacific. tellin bush is stupid. i never saw him happy to see civilains killed. BUT ON 9/11 I REMEMBER PALESTINIANS DANCING IN THE STREETS ...

kamikaze: that's thier own job o change their government!!! man it's not like voting and changing. rebellions in iraq were crushed in blood. and Kurds wanted and tried to remove saddam from power. wasn't our job to help them as we SHOULD have done in afghanistan with Massoud?
i thought we were all here FOR brotherhood between mankind. and here you tell me: let everybody do what they need on their own without help??? i'm over exagerating (i m sorry for that) but looks like watching jexs going to Dachau and thinking 'if they want to get fre it's their job to do it'!!

and for your 'joe kills ' example, how do you know who is a civilian or a terorist (kids? sure man, out of the fact that many terrorist use em as shields). i'm sorry as you for dead people there, but saddam killed2,5 million people. when today 10 iraqis die, it's less than the averge dead people per day undr hussein!
I STILL ASK A QUESTION: HOW DO YOU FIGHT TERRORISM OUT OF THAT? AND HOW DO YOU HELP PEOPLE IN DICTATURES?

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Oct 23 2004 4:59PM

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^^hucksterjibber15, you pretty much have to be a heartless killer in war to be effective

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Oct 23 2004 5:14PM

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Oct 23 2004 5:21PM

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israel kills innocent people!

Oct 24 2004 7:07AM

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and collateral? israel killing 60 people in retaliation for 2??? thats fair...

Oct 24 2004 7:20AM

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^palestos are a bunch of terroristS. they are not all terrorist , but they know who they are and do nothing to prevent them from killing people.
moreover, if palestinians kept their children at home instead of letting them throw rocks on israeli tanks, i'm sure there would be less dead people. palestinians clearly want to destroy israel. israel is ok to live together

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Oct 24 2004 9:40AM

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are you joking? israel knows who its army is and does nothing to stop it killing people. they are both as bad as each other, though i sympathise far more with the palestinians

Oct 24 2004 10:36AM

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The one who said that some will always hate america because they are free is a damn moron!
If you rape other countries while claiming it's for their own good you will get hated, very simple. Bush is a fucking ass thus making his voters asses too.
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Oct 24 2004 2:47PM

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Kami- so should we have let the jews figure out a way to take care of hitler? I mean after all, It didnt really affect us at all did it? We really should of just let them take care of it.

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Oct 24 2004 3:02PM

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what the fuck is wrong with Isreal, they cannot keep killing innocent arabs. I mean, what did the arabs ever do to them?

Oct 24 2004 3:09PM

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Ã®srael looses something like 1% of its population each year ... imagine what it could repressent for USA. arafat does nothing, he is a murderer, i hope he' ll die soon.
and by the way, i have the solution for israel/ palestine problem: us christians should take back our holy land. coz' jews weren't even able to recognize Jesus as the messenger they waited for, and muslim beleive in a GOd that doesn't exist and whose rules are the dumbest ever!

come on guys! i'm sooo sure sooo many of you are gonna take it at first degree and i'm gonna say i'm an idiot! hahahaha! you were about to, and now you can't hahahahaha

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Oct 24 2004 3:26PM

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why the hate? thats why we faught these wars in the first place. why can't everyone just agree to disagee?

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Punk Rider:^while thousends of women would be dying in football stadium in afghanistan, while guys were totured in iraq ... are you selfish? i think you are

When we went to war with afghanistan it was justified to the fullest extent...there were actual terrorists that were staying within afghani borders in addition to the whole alqaeda base... Iraq never attacked us.. had destroyed all chemical and biological weapons.. when us troops entered iraq a huge demoralization occured as Saddam informed his generals that he had no chemical or bioglogical weapons... so indeed we should have gone into afghanistan there was a true enemy and a true public that needed to be liberated. Sure saddam was a bad guy but his country was in better order than it is now... if you dont believe me pick up last weeks time magazine and read it would do good to all you ill informed people who support the bush led war in iraq including you punk rider
I completely support the troops and whoever said that these troops signed volunatarily that was before the war in iraq.. now to date the army is having a difficult time getting recruits so read up guys itll do you good

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This thread is the biggest bumblefuck I have seen on here in a hot second. JD, -2 respect points. Punk_rider, slow down with the posting you crazy french bastard, you got your head in the right place but your words just aren't making the cut, and finally Alta, thanks man, I'm glad to see you are home and well and that you realize that Bush is not the fuck up that the rest of the world sees him as, much thanks.

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i do not see any problem if this war was for oil: getting oil independence from saudi arabia (that finances terrorism) isn't good?

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Oct 25 2004 3:47PM

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Look, I don't get why this is difficult. I thought I explained it pretty clearly. Here, let's let Shakespeare have a go at summing this up. He's pretty good with words and such things...
This is from Henry V (4.1)
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BATES.
Ay, or more than we should seek after; for we know enough, if we know we are the King's subjects. If his cause be wrong, our obedience to the King wipes the crime of it out of us.

WILLIAMS.
But if the cause be not good, the King himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopp'd off in a battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all, 'We died at such a place'; some swearing, some crying for a surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left. I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything, when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection.
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Oct 25 2004 3:56PM

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...i love JD...to quote a band

'To save you we may have to kill you
For freedom you may have to die
Number one at liberation -
liberating life from bodies
Helping spirits fly

Freedom from... life'

i have respect for the soldiers that gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan...and i am the first person to give them credit. However, they were acting upon orders of a man who went in, without UN consent, into a country that posed no immediate threat AND it was on a false pretense. Weapons Inspectors had returned twice, saying that there were no WMDs in Iraq...and he STILL ordered troops in. im sorry it just seems incredibly wasteful. but congrats on surviving.

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