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Changing liners in full tilts

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dprehofer
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i have full titlt first chairs and i get lots of shin bang. my legs are kind of small so i was thinking trying different liners but i dont know which ones

Sep 28 2012 1:44AM
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k2andcannoli
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Sounds like you need softer tongues, bird legs...

Sep 28 2012 9:55AM
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.RYAN66
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No. Sounds like you need boots that fit. Your current ones are probably to big
Sep 28 2012 12:22PM
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k2andcannoli
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maybe... although thats more of a guess. The firstchair, if i remember correctly, has/had the #10. That shit is stiff...i put a 10 in my konflicts and it took some getting used to... Im a big guy, 245 lbs 6'3", so if your small, 130-170 lbs, a softer flex is in order.

Sep 28 2012 12:42PM
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tomPietrowski
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^ its actually more lickly that the boots are too big and they just dont fit him.

Even if he does have the #10 tounge thats no stiffer then a 120 flex in most brands so not really that stiff. If he has narrow legs then he probably is not fitted well at all in theboot. The intutions they come with are wide and take up alot of volume, so if they dont fit his leg chances are they dont fit his feet or instep either.

Best bet OP is take your boots to a good bootfitter and have them look at your feet in them. There are things you can do if the boots are roughly the right size for you, but if there too big, there is not much you can do unfortunatly.

Sep 28 2012 1:22PM
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.nasty
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YOU'RE BOOTS DONT FIT SON
Sep 28 2012 1:24PM
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k2andcannoli
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Tom your obviously an old, cranky bootfitter... your answer to every question is the same. If i asked a question about a car, you'd say go to the machanic...
Sep 28 2012 1:33PM
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tomPietrowski
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^haha well I would not say take a car to a florist, you take it to the best person to do the work, and with boots that is a boot fitter.

What would you recomend the OP to fix his problem? New tounges? that may help but it also may not, so the OP could potentially spend $50 and see no inprovment. Whereas if he goes to a bootfitter it may be as simple as raising his foot inside the boot, which most fitters would do for free.

Sep 28 2012 1:41PM
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.RYAN66
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thats not stiff at all, I dont ski in anything softer then a 130 any more.


and it is 99% likely that his boots dont fit.
Sep 28 2012 1:51PM
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k2andcannoli
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he could go to a shop and try on the softer tongues, buy them if he likes em. We charge $30 for em, free if you trade your old ones and bought the boots from our shop. 90% of people dont need ANY custom boot work done...its only for freaks, fatties, or ppl who love to spend $. its just a matter of trying on some different sizes and lasts and finding one that fits... dont need a "bootfitter" for that, just a boot salesman...you may be right, it could be that his boot is to big. we dont know because this newb (op) isnt back online yet to tell us a lil more about his bird legs...
Sep 28 2012 1:54PM
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k2andcannoli
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BTW he only siad he had shinbang, you'd think he'd mention that his boots feel big if that was the issue.
Sep 28 2012 1:55PM
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tomPietrowski
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Wow, what shop do you work in, may be good to tell people here so they can avaoid it.

Its more like 90% of people need custom work. Everyone should have a custom footbed as a minimum.

The only shops which say you will be ok with a boot off the shelf are those shops who have no staff trained in bootfitting. Those are the shops to avoid.

Sep 28 2012 1:57PM
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.RYAN66
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where do you work? I want to make sure I never go there.
Sep 28 2012 1:57PM
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dprehofer
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thanks for the input
Sep 28 2012 2:01PM
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k2andcannoli
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Sure take the word of a "bootfitter", tell you to spend an extra $50-$400+ on your already expensive boots.
Sep 28 2012 2:21PM
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doitbig
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If you're hellbent on keeping the same ill fitting boots i'd advise you to check out the "Shin Eliminator Tongue". It will help tighten up the cuff on your too big boots.
Sep 28 2012 2:32PM
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onenerdykid
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as you would know from working in a shop, most people are in the wrong sized boots. And one of the most common causes of shinbang is being in the wrong sized boot, not being in a boot that is too stiff. But there are also about 10 causes for shinbang, none of which you will be able to assess over the internet. So, the most logical answer for the OP is to go see his local boot-fitter and have the problem assessed by someone who can actually see the problem.
Sep 28 2012 2:54PM
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k2andcannoli
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Im sick of ppl acting like you need to see a goddamned podiatrist to ski well... its just not true.

You think the ski boot companies cant make a boot that doesnt need aftermarket work?

Sep 28 2012 2:59PM
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onenerdykid
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Coming from the guy who makes boots, it's impossible for a boot to fit everyone. We try our hardest for a boot to fit as many people as possible but a ski boot only has one foot shape to it. If a boot only has one shape to it, it's going to need some adjustment for many people. People's feet are quite often different left to right (different length, width, or volume is quite frequent) so even if one fits perfectly it's common for the other boot to need some adaptation.
Sep 28 2012 3:08PM
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k2andcannoli
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Soooo... you dont even PAY much or anything for skiboots or work to them. You should stay outa think and hopefully this kid wont drop a load of cash on work he doesnt need.
Sep 28 2012 3:13PM
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onenerdykid
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Most shops, like yours I think you mentioned earlier, will have some sort of boot-fit guarantee in place so they will perform any fit work free of charge. That's what my old shop did, and most any shop that has a proper boot staff.

The shop he bought them from should take care of him on this, so no cost on him should be incurred. If he bought them online, he'll be paying for tongues or fit work or other needs regardless so it makes the most sense to point him in the direction of someone who will assess his needs rather than sell him random product.
Sep 28 2012 3:18PM
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k2andcannoli
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My suggestion was not at all random...Ive had two pairs of ft and one flexon. I think its his tongues.
Sep 28 2012 3:23PM
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.RYAN66
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then you are telling him to spend money he doesnt need to spend it on.
Sep 28 2012 4:39PM
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k2andcannoli
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$30 seems pretty reasonable... actually you could easly trade them as ft is no longer making #10, at least its only an aftermarket option.

For a Pens fan you sure are dumb

Sep 28 2012 4:55PM
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k2andcannoli
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Awww did i offend you too?
Sep 28 2012 7:34PM
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tomPietrowski
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I dont think you offened anyone, we all just want to know where you work
Sep 28 2012 7:35PM
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.RYAN66
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Rudy's ski shop in wisp.


beware.
Sep 28 2012 7:48PM
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Session
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Anyone whose first diagnosis of the cause of shinbang being tongue stiffness fucking gape.
Sep 28 2012 7:53PM
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Zerofallen
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One of the top things that shit me is when people think that ski boots should just fit and if they don't then you're either an idiot or there's something seriously abnormal about you... It's bullshit.
I have wide, relatively flat feet with a high instep and for a while ski boots in general were a bitch... Had to have a bit of custom work done on my boots to get them to fit comfortably, offered for free from the store I got the boots from. And the fact that I needed custom work makes me part of the majority, not the minority.
Just had to rant.
Sep 29 2012 9:06AM
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k2andcannoli
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The rudes bra...

Sep 29 2012 9:32AM
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