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Do you think 9/11 is a conspiracy?

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Dragonite.
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Inb4 tinfoil hat meme... I've been thinking on this a lot and doing a bit of research about it but can't really come to a solid conclusion. Theres a decent ammount of occurances and such that can prove it as a conspiracy, but also a good amount to proove against it. I'm hoping this can turn into into some degree of a debate and not a massive shitstorm. Sorry about typos'd I'm on mobile. Discuss.
Sep 18 2012 12:35PM
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theabortionator
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Where was I posting theories?



I don't know what happened and I'm not speculating. But of course I have my mind made up and know everything simply because I'm open to the possibility of the official story being varying degrees of bullshit.


But thanks for playing. Now back to gif mode with you.
Nov 25 2012 1:26AM
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feihlination
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and people have to stop throwing people in the same categories. i seriously have stopped caring about that matter and maybe in 50 years we have other information, but whatever.


1) a guy who thinks THERE IS MORE to 9/11 than the official reports is not also believing in a fake moon landing, pearl harbor and all that shit.

2) and just because you THINK THERE IS MORE to 9/11 than the official report, doesnt mean that you believe every horseshit claim brought up by someone somewhere.

3) even if you dont agree with anybody, at least use a little logic and see "their" view through. for example when someone says that it was an inside job and then you bring up this video of al kaida claiming the shit, that proves nothing, because its 0% work in comparison to committing the actual attacks to fake this video. same with creating a less than stellar "official technical analysis" by a government organization. not saying anything happened, but youre the idiot if you bring counterarguments that are easily explained by the original argument, no matter how dumb that was.

4) and the "patriots" are not thinking for themselves, which is probably way more harmful and disrespectful to the victims.


5) MONEY. that is all.
Nov 25 2012 7:21AM
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slugworth
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You're completely missing my point bill Nye. I couldn't care less about how the towers fell. It happened, plane, explosive, whatever. My concern is with the reason the towers fell and the motives behind the attack and how that attack had propelled our reach into new territories.
Nov 25 2012 9:35AM
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.frenchy
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Osama Bin Laden made the video..... How is that not proof? You could make that video all you want but you aren't Jesus, noone will believe you. That was actually him. Stop trying to think it was an inside job or some stupid shit. Maybe we knew it was going to happen... Idk. But it was planes that flew into the buildings.

Just accept it :) :)

That wasn't to just you BTW.
Nov 25 2012 9:39AM
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feihlination
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a lot of 9/11 "truthers" think that the US knew it was going to happen or didnt do enough to prevent it.

idk why you would write that, but thats also a conspiracy theory in its own rights.



and just a general question: its IMPOSSIBLE to find a neutral, reliable source on that matter. its either governmental controlled or conspiracists. there is no green ground between them and in this day and age, you have no chance in verifying information, who produced it and for what reasons. you cannot even find out how old such videos are or whatever.
Nov 25 2012 9:53AM
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.frenchy
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Yeah we (the government) made a mold of Osama and made him say he blew up the twin towers, sounds legit.
Nov 25 2012 9:56AM
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feihlination
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never said that. just understand that IF it was an inside job, that one of the smallest problems would probably be to fake some videos, or wouldnt you agree with that?

really dont care anymore, but i cannot stand when people use irony and sound dumb themselves
Nov 25 2012 10:06AM
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Bill.Nye
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Well you said that the towers fell at or nearly at free fall speed, which I suppose isn't really a theory as much as a false piece of information.
Nov 25 2012 10:09AM
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Bill.Nye
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The towers fell because members of the terrorist organization Al Qaeda (most of them Saudi Arabian) flew planes into them as a way to retaliate for US support for the state of Israel, US military presence on what they view as holy muslim lands, and the enforcement of harsh and deadly sanctions against Iraq in the 90s. It wasn't because they "hated our freedoms" or whatever BS reason GWB might have tried to sell you.
Nov 25 2012 10:13AM
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Bill.Nye
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I just want to say that even though I don't believe the conspiracy theories and neither does Frenchy, I still think this kid is dumb.
Nov 25 2012 10:20AM
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.frenchy
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Saying kid to try and sound superior... Lol! And feihlination Ican agree with you on that.
Nov 25 2012 10:38AM
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slugworth
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are you kidding me bill nye? Go ahead and believe whatever the media tells you, that's a great way to live your life. Keep on doing what your doing, you're just another participant of group think
Nov 25 2012 11:54AM
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theabortionator
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Ever heard of a scapegoat?

Just go join the army already. Yea 'Murica. Maybe you can occupy some random country and then post a thread about how you're defending my freedoms.
Nov 25 2012 12:05PM
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theabortionator
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It was a discussion about tower 7 and when I said that I meant it fell at the same speed a controlled demo would go down at. Blast all the columns out and it just collapses neatly into it's footprint.

Nov 25 2012 12:08PM
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theabortionator
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Pretty much this.
Nov 25 2012 12:12PM
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Puns
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yeah it was

con·spir·a·cy/kənˈspirəsē/
Noun:
  1. A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
Nov 25 2012 12:12PM
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.AR6rider.
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You ARE a kid...and you act like a fucking toddler most of the time. It's no surprise he referred to you as a child.
Nov 25 2012 12:16PM
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El_Barto.
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thats just to logical bill. I think it may have been the crab people. Taste like crab, talk like people. Crab people crab people
Nov 25 2012 12:16PM
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.ZT.
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Agreed.

Nov 25 2012 12:20PM
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Gods_Father
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like how the official report was changed multiple times and people like you adhere to whatever is claimed. the biggest mistake of these people is that they have absolutely zero understanding of history. just looking specifically at america and the gulf war would prompt any rational person to rarely believe that gubmint ever again.

but they got away with that fraud so why wouldn't they get away with more? it never ends until lazy people educate themselves...

Nov 25 2012 12:26PM
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Stose
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Yeah you get a big old fuck you for this post. I hope you feel pretty good about yourself mocking our men and women in service
Nov 25 2012 12:49PM
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.frenchy
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Haha wtf dude? Since when are you an asshole? AR6 is obvious, he's just a fuckin ass all the time, but really?

Keep trying to act cool! PEACE LUV AND DRUGS!! BROOOO! Hippies make me lol.
Nov 25 2012 1:27PM
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Da_Buddha
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Nov 25 2012 1:27PM
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.frenchy
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Nov 25 2012 1:28PM
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.AR6rider.
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Nov 25 2012 1:30PM
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theabortionator
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Not trying to act cool. Not really being an asshole. Maybe a little bit dickish. Not not going to say something just cause it isn't super polite though.

I don't do drugs. Down with peace and love. And I'm not a hippie broooo
Nov 25 2012 1:41PM
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powderdrunkie
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considering the fact that there are quite a few men and women killing civilians in other countries, and also coming back home to kill people in our own, I'd say that some of them deserve to be mocked. or maybe I live too close to JBLM and see it happen first hand.
Nov 25 2012 2:53PM
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Stose
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They fight to give us freedom. No one who does that deserves to be be mocked
Nov 25 2012 2:59PM
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Dragonite.
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This is so hilariously terrible
Nov 25 2012 3:09PM
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.AR6rider.
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It's the internet. Stop giving a shit what other people say.
Nov 25 2012 3:22PM
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scrublife
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Watch Zeitgiest on netflix shits trippy!
Nov 25 2012 3:35PM
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deleted5
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Holy shit it actually was a conspiracy we can now and this thread.
Nov 25 2012 3:45PM
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Bill.Nye
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No, I'm saying kid because you're 17.
Nov 25 2012 4:57PM
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Bill.Nye
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If you have a theory that better fits the evidence I'd love to hear it.
Nov 25 2012 4:57PM
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Bill.Nye
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Did you expect it to explode? Gravity pulls things towards the earth, what other direction would you expect it to fall other than straight down?
Nov 25 2012 4:59PM
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Bill.Nye
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Good reports are generally updated as new information arises, it would be foolish to expect the first report to be flawless.
Nov 25 2012 5:01PM
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theabortionator
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Intentions or reality? Yes that is the motive for most. Killing bitches and fighting for freedom.

In reality these wars have nothing to do with my freedoms.
Nov 25 2012 5:16PM
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theabortionator
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herp derp

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Nov 25 2012 5:20PM
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Bill.Nye
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Serious question, still expecting a serious answer. What forces would have been acting on WTC7 to cause it to do anything other than fall straight down?

Also, controlled demolitions are preceded by very loud explosives. Where were these noises on WTC 7?

This video is put out by someone who thinks it was a controlled demolition, and he claims that you can hear explosives at 11 second in. I don't hear anything, do you?



Now compare that sound, to this video of a controlled demolition.


Nov 25 2012 5:53PM
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deleted5
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I do have to agree with you that the towers fell because the plane flew into them. I think I said it in the beginning of this thread two months ago, But the only thing I'm suspicious about is how the four white people arrested for putting pipe bombs under the Brooklyn Bridge was kept out of the news. Do I think the government is responsible for 9/11 no but I do think that they wanted to keep that out of the news so it would've hundred percent terrorists and not be any other people.
Nov 25 2012 7:06PM
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theabortionator
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No planes flew into 7
Nov 25 2012 7:14PM
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deleted5
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I was referring to the twin towers and the day as a whole not just the one building, Sorry I didn't make that clear.
Nov 25 2012 7:15PM
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theabortionator
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Well the post you quoted was exclusively talking about 7 that's the only reason I mentioned it.
Nov 25 2012 7:18PM
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deleted5
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I know it was my bad. That was just the one question I wanted to bring up to Bill about that day.
Nov 25 2012 7:30PM
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Dragonite.
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lol page 7.
Nov 25 2012 7:39PM
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Bill.Nye
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Just tons of debris from wtc 1 and then it burned all day.
Nov 26 2012 1:38PM
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Gods_Father
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i'm struggling to understand how you consider yourself a "thinker"........you regurgitate mainstream media. you even sound as if you don't know what temperature steel melts at.

do you know how much $ silverstein was given?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W902B6obIqM

“I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse,” said Silverstein.

and no...he did not mean pull firefighters out since even your beloved PM claims there were none inside lol.

you do realize that if a building fell from damage alone it would not go down in such controlled/safe fashion into its own footprint?

show me another time where a damaged building fell symmetrically like that and i can believe that fire alone melted the steel, defying physics and history.

Nov 26 2012 7:17PM
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powderdrunkie
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this

it has never before happened in the history of steel, or fire.
Nov 26 2012 7:43PM
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fujarome
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well WTC1 and WTC2 are pretty good examples of buildings falling relatively symmetrically due to damage. None of them fell within their own footprint like a controlled demolition would though.


The fire didn't need to melt the steel...just weaken it. When you've got an entire building that has already been damaged relying on weaker steel to hold it up, there is no good result.
Nov 26 2012 7:48PM
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powderdrunkie
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right, but the point is that it was turned to rubble completely. which is suspicious in my opinion.
Nov 26 2012 7:50PM
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