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Do you think 9/11 is a conspiracy?

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Dragonite.
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Inb4 tinfoil hat meme... I've been thinking on this a lot and doing a bit of research about it but can't really come to a solid conclusion. Theres a decent ammount of occurances and such that can prove it as a conspiracy, but also a good amount to proove against it. I'm hoping this can turn into into some degree of a debate and not a massive shitstorm. Sorry about typos'd I'm on mobile. Discuss.
Sep 18 2012 12:35PM
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DaWhiteWeapon
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100% fake!!!! 911 was a reason for the US to invade iraq and secure there oil!
Nov 13 2012 12:13PM
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Benseleit
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Nov 13 2012 12:18PM
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plaplapla
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i like this answer
Nov 13 2012 1:17PM
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theabortionator
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Okay bro. You really cut me deep there.
Nov 13 2012 1:21PM
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theabortionator
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Coming from a guy who thinks inflation is good for the economy, and thinks that printing ridiculous amounts of money has no negative impact.

In other words what I'm saying is, go fuck yourself.
Nov 13 2012 1:28PM
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cobra_commander
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Limited levels of inflation are good for the economy.

Idiot
Nov 13 2012 1:31PM
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theabortionator
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Faked? Nobody is arguing that thousands of people died. Well maybe, but not in this thread at least. The argument is regarding the cause/ the lack of a solid investigation.

And if you think that it isn't something that could have happened, look up false flag terrorism throughout history.

Also it's not like governments or leaders have ever lied to the people about different things to sway the mass opinion.

Just saying that even though you believe that it 100% didn't happen(which is fine), saying that it absolutely couldn't happen is sort of "ridiculous" considering history.


Nov 13 2012 1:38PM
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theabortionator
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Just stop, I can't fucking stand when you lump everyone into a group and shit on them because you don't agree with them.

"YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED AND THEN IGNORING THE ANSWERS. "

Yes, disagreeing with bullshit answers = ignoring them.

"How about in stead of asking loaded questions and pretending the only possibly answer is that there's some conspiracy, you go and actually LEARN WHAT THE ANSWER IS. "

How about you just stop quoting me because I'm through talking to you. I never dropped any wild conclusions, but the official story has at least some complete bullshit in it. Sorry I use my head brahski. Good luck with the economy bro.


A building collapsing and a building falling at almost free fall speed =/=.

", then please stick a large blunt object up your ass after wrapping it in sandpaper."

Oh lol we went there.


You're a piece of shit man. I'm not even going to go there with the pleasantries. You quoted me for days in the one thread well spouting the same shitty economic theory. I made bank off of an economy that got fucked because of people believing those same bunk ideas about the economy.


The fact that you didn't change your opinion. Don't give a fuck. You're hardened on it, good, go for it. That's why I stopped replying to you. You can believe what you want.

You ask a couple questions and this is what you get

", then please stick a large blunt object up your ass after wrapping it in sandpaper."


No wonder our country is in the spot it is right now. Congratulations sir. You're an asshole. Now kindly stop talking to me as I'm done with your kind.

Peace out.
Nov 13 2012 1:47PM
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k-rob
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whether it was a conspiracy or a terrorist attack (personally i couldn't give a shit, it was 11 years ago), it worked in the favour of both the terrorists and the american government, you can't deny that. the american people are sufficiently terrified and they let the government do whatever the fuck they want as long as they say it's to prevent terrorism.
Nov 13 2012 1:56PM
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Bill.Nye
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Inflation in moderate amounts can be good for the economy. I stand by that, get learned.



You have now demonstrated that you are an idiot when it comes to economics and 9/11. Care to add another topic to your resumé?
Nov 13 2012 2:37PM
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Bill.Nye
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^I doubt I agree with this guy on practically anything in economics but he gets it.
Nov 13 2012 2:38PM
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Bill.Nye
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Get specific then. What criticisms of the official story do you have, because if you just make a blanket statement that it has "some complete bullshit in it" that's not really worth anything.
Nov 13 2012 2:39PM
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Bill.Nye
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This is probably the dumbest theory out there. Grab a watch



If the building had fallen at free fall speed than all that debris that is passing the building would have to be moving at faster than free fall speed, which makes no sense.
Nov 13 2012 2:43PM
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skier_boy26
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There is a fuck ton of evidence that a plane hit the pentagon. Not to mention that it was rush hour and the plane went over a bloody road in gridlock. Oh, but you know, one guy says he didn't see a plane or it came from a different angle and BOOM you know the government is up to something. Fuck the other thousands of people. They are on the payroll.

And while this doesn't necessarily pertain to building 7 (although it kind of does), people need to stop fucking confusing simile with reality. The buildings looked like a demolition doesn't mean they were a demolition. Take the first building:

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Damn, those fucking crews that were planting explosives for days undetected did an incredible job making sure they could start the demolition exactly where the plane impacted the tower.


And you're wrong about WTC 7 - there is TONS of evidence of massive & extensive damage prior to collapse. Buy hey, keep referencing some guy talking about what he thought was going on at the time. Initial reports. All that shit.
Nov 13 2012 3:16PM
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JeremyClarkson
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        I always love to laugh at the people who say that the towers couldnt have fallen because the airplane fuel burned below the melting point of the steel support columns. How about walls, papers, chairs, rugs, desks, ceilings and other assorted things commonly found in an actual building? I guess the impact and weight of a fucking airplane didint have an impact on structual stability too?

Nov 13 2012 3:28PM
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FreeskiThe603
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaPoD_7TmNc

at 0:24 look to the right of the screen... that white object that comes into the picture is a plane
Nov 13 2012 4:56PM
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TheClap.
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Obama did it
Nov 13 2012 4:59PM
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accualyisdolan
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I'll fukn kil u spodermen
Nov 13 2012 5:10PM
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theabortionator
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idiot
Nov 13 2012 5:14PM
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Bill.Nye
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>implying we have high inflation

Idiot.

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Nov 13 2012 5:19PM
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theabortionator
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believe I said almost.

Didn't say it fell as though somebody dropped it from a plane. Fell very similar to a controlled demolition.

As far as your previous quote plenty of things but I don't feel like getting into it.

Like having a passport fly through a fireball that was intense enough to melt the fuck out of the columns,and basically incinerate everything and then just kind of float away to ground level while the building ate total shit. Things like that. To call somebody names simply for having some doubts as to the validity of things like that is brilliant. Really just replying for the sake of the thread.

Again. Think what you want bro. Good luck with that.
Nov 13 2012 5:24PM
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Bill.Nye
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Free-fall speed is 9.22 seconds

The tower fell in roughly 15

That's 62% longer than free-fall.

Sorry, you're wrong.
Nov 13 2012 5:26PM
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theabortionator
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Oh good lord. I bet prices of everything simply rose because of demand and the USD is as incredibly safe as ever right?


Give it a rest bro.

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Nov 13 2012 5:27PM
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theabortionator
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Oh we're still conversing here? I guess I better reply


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Nov 13 2012 5:29PM
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Bill.Nye
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No it didn't. The towers started falling from the point where the plane hit downward. Controlled demolitions do the opposite (start at the bottom).


Nov 13 2012 5:31PM
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Bill.Nye
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Prices HAVEN'T risen much. Did you learn how to read a graph in school? BTW, before you get all conspiratorial and say the government is faking the numbers, the red line on that graph is a non-governmental calculation of inflation called the Billion Price Project.
Nov 13 2012 5:33PM
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ILLinoisance
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Oh look, another thread with kids arguing each side of an issue they know nothing about.

I haven't seen this before. Oh, and what's this? Bill.Nye calling everyone who doesn't agree with him stupid? That's new too!

Shit, this is an awesome thread, carry on.
Nov 13 2012 5:34PM
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Bill.Nye
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No, you can give up trying to defend your beliefs (again), but if you're going to do that you should probably stop calling everyone else a moron when you're the one that's spouting bullshit, getting proven wrong, then continuing to spout the same bullshit while believing everyone else is an idiot.

Newsflash: You're the idiot that's ignoring reality here, not everyone else.
Nov 13 2012 5:35PM
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theabortionator
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Yes, it looked something like this

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Nov 13 2012 5:38PM
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Bill.Nye
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No, I think anyone that ignores evidence is stupid.
Nov 13 2012 5:42PM
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theabortionator
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Sure bro. One USD goes just as far as it did 50 years ago. Yup

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Nov 13 2012 5:43PM
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Bill.Nye
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Strawman. I'm talking about annual inflation numbers over the past 5 years. Even if inflation were only 1% per year for the past 50 years that would add up to 50% inflation, but that would be practically unnoticeable by people who live through that time.

Inflation was higher in the 80s than it is today.
Nov 13 2012 5:45PM
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theabortionator
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I know you are but what am I? Also debating using this as my sig.

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Nov 13 2012 5:49PM
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Bill.Nye
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Do it.
Nov 13 2012 5:52PM
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theabortionator
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Nov 13 2012 5:53PM
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Bill.Nye
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That looks like the 70s bro.
Nov 13 2012 5:55PM
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Dr.Dickless
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i love you
Nov 13 2012 5:55PM
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.ZT.
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It was reptilian shapeshifters!
Nov 13 2012 5:59PM
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SPskier543
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Holy shit Bill.Nye, your a fucking prick. 9/11 isnt a conspiracy, theres no way the gov. would kill and put thousands at risk. If it was proven and there were any REAL facts on how it was a conspiracy, there would be a whole lot of shitstorming and rioting against the gov. Now please type your heart out trying to convince me other wise

Nov 13 2012 6:05PM
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Bill.Nye
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Why would I try to convince you otherwise? 9/11 wasn't done by the government.
Nov 13 2012 6:09PM
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TheClap.
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lies

OBAMA DID IT AND
Nov 13 2012 6:11PM
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SPskier543
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That wasnt directed at you, i was just saying i think your a prick in that 1st sentence just from how you respond to others, you seem like a complete asshat. I know you dont think its a conspiracy...
Nov 13 2012 6:14PM
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I think he agrees with you? from what i've read on this page at least
Nov 13 2012 6:14PM
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SPskier543
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i know, just saying he seems like an asshole from every post of his ive read. Only that 1st senrence was directed at him
Nov 13 2012 6:18PM
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FreeskiThe603
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i chuckled.
Nov 13 2012 6:20PM
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Bill.Nye
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Oh I see.

Well I mean, I'd rather be a prick and right than a prick and a moron.
Nov 13 2012 6:26PM
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ElMexicano
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http://exploratorystudies.net/911/default.html
Nov 13 2012 8:28PM
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cbj
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So true.
Nov 14 2012 4:53PM
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slugworth
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What you're not understanding BillNye is the relationship between government and media. Of course an organization like popular mechanics will "debunk" all the myths. It's a public organization with a vast number followers. You can't look for truth in websites or companies like these, otherwise you've completely missed you're shot at independent thinking. I encourage you to stray from this group think and instead speculate and raise your own thoughts and opinions on the matter. There is no "ANSWER". Governments wield so much power that secretes and conspiracies like these are up to the curious and independent thinking "Idiots"to develop, rather then the large and public, government endorsed sectors like popular mechanics.
Nov 19 2012 9:05PM
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Bill.Nye
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Ignoring legitimate science doesn't make you an independent thinker, it makes you an idiot. If the government controlled the media to the extent you believe, I think they would have at least "found" WMDs in Iraq.
Nov 19 2012 10:00PM
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