When he doesn't know a camera's rolling, Mitt Romney shows his disdain for half of America.

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you certainly are when you think people like me are dicks/greedy. You are asking for people like me to pay more taxes before you yourself are willing to take up the burden. Therefore, you are recieving an indirect government handout by paying 1/3 the taxes i pay (best case scenario)

Sep 17 2012 11:11PM

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This country and every country is built on laborers and the workforce. those who build roads, houses, general shit. Those who educate our children, protect us from fire and criminals. All those people are no where near rich yet contribute far more than any fat cat with a cigar sittin on his wealth. Everything you can do or use is possible because people less fortunate than you made it possible through there labour.

Sep 17 2012 11:12PM

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my responses were given to Tree's assertion romney is a dick.

They think he is a dick because he is greedy/selfish.

I said "why should i have to pay more tax?" to make ppl realize that the reason i pay more tax is because they made decisions to end up in the middle class. The answer to "why should i have to pay more tax?" is: people have freedom of choice.

And that answer should disuade people that guys like romney or me are not dicks. The people who choose not to be doctors and lawyers because they want to ski or rollerblade are the childish dicks.

And there are larger theories but you assume the status quo will always be the status quo. Your line of reasoning could be extended to railroad workers. I could ask you: you like riding the train? You like eating? You like getting your photographs processed?

There are tons of things we used to have jobs for but no longer have demand for. Im not saying everyone needs to be a doctor or lawyer but they can all certainly get smarter. Eventually we wont need mechanics because people will be smart enough to build robots that build robots. I want people to flip my steak but only if they are good at it.

All i am asking for is a mixture of realism and effort. People in this country are unrealistic about their futures and very lathargic on them. That is my point. That people like romney seem like dicks because they are 1 realistic and 2 active.

Sep 17 2012 11:19PM

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no we trade. there is no way those people contribute far more than doctors lawyers and good business executives. All the people that "contribute" made choices that were easier, paths of least resistence. They were unwilling to take up hardship. they are all publically schooled. They know if they try they can get an A. But they make the cost benefit decision to not get that A because they delve in the short term.

All these fat cats you imagine dont exist. They are extremely hard working people who work far more and take far more risk than "laborers".

Im not saying laborers dont work hard. Im saying they dont work as hard relatively. And by laborer i dont mean the extremely poor. I mean the middle class like insurance salesmen and such.

We only need them insofar as our society demands them. But if everyone was smarter, there might not be demand for them. In fact, i would say modern society has shed most demand for them and that is why there is so much unemployed.

Sep 17 2012 11:23PM

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the most annoying thing about you is that it's apparent you think that anyone who disagrees with you must be a bum, or that the reason they would dislike you is cause youre just too damn alpha! im actually about to apply to law school dickhead, with great gpa lsat score and work experience..so keep talking out of your ass and wishing that the only people who disagree with your crazy delusions are burnouts if you want but if you think "If the job market is shitty, u can go to grad school where it is certainly not shitty" makes you sound intelligent, you are fucking high..

and your second attempt at asperger's math is great man. really makes sense that you should be complaining that not everyone pays the same amount in taxes. like i said there's no way a person like me and a person like you are going to convince each other of anything so believe what you want man, but for fuck's sake man you are crazy, read the shit youre typing

Sep 17 2012 11:25PM

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1. im not saying most people who disagree with me are burnouts. im saying a lot of ppl who think they are owed something are there because of their own choices and should thus take responsibility for their situations.

2. i am not complaining that everyone isnt paying the same taxes. im complaining about ppl complaining about the rich not paying taxes.

Sep 17 2012 11:29PM

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No man, he's attempting to engage in intelligent conversation and you aren't grasping it. Thus you're frustration and unfounded anger.

Sep 17 2012 11:31PM

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I bet you can hardly tie your own shoes.

It's a different skillset entirely for the trades, and someone like you I can imagine would not be able to produce work of any quality with years of training and practice. It's also mentalities like yours that transpire onto those who have the skillset for both to chose an academic path rather than a trades related path resulting in a loss of brains in many industries. this is a huge and unfortunate loss; as a result tradesmen are no longer nearly as skilled as they once were. I blame it on those who look down upon them. people like yourself. you're a blight on society in many ways.

also what's more useful:

- someone who can sue your neighbour when their septic tank overflows and causes some unpleasantries on your property

or

- someone who can fix the gad damn sewage system

Sep 17 2012 11:31PM

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I think you just proved his point.....

Sep 17 2012 11:33PM

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and I bet all those 'alpha characteristics' and you can't even pick up a chick at a bar without spending $150+ on them first

Sep 17 2012 11:34PM

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rich people create demand for tradespeople. I dont look down on tradespeople at all.

I do look down on:

-people with no motivation to actually excel at their trade and become artists because they think its easy

-people who work shit jobs because they could have but did not work harder

Whats more useful:

-Someone who can sue your negligent neighbor so you can pay a person to fix the damage to your property and the entire sewage system

or

-someone who can fix a sewage system in a market that has no demand for sewage system fixing (because people can't recover)

No one saying lawyers are better than plumbers. But people who work hard are better than people who do not work hard and more often than not ppl are plumbers because they did not work hard.

Sep 17 2012 11:37PM

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in this thread-

1-Conservative

43-Liberals

I really dont understand what drives people to think they deserve handouts...

Sep 17 2012 11:44PM

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exactly its not, people just love jump to conclusions about every little thing politicians say. honestly it sounds to me like he's talking to people who work for his campaign about how to sway people to his side. i find nothing wrong here

Sep 17 2012 11:47PM

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Jesus you must work for a the news.

Labor =/= hardwork in college/early life.

Sep 17 2012 11:52PM

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you are so contradictory. "i don't look down on tradespeople" "tradespeople don't work hard."

obviously you've never worked a trade in your fucking life if you think this way, these guys go to school for years just like a fucking lawyer, they get up at 5 a.m. and work 16 hour days just like a fucking lawyer, and build your fucking houses and offices and your entire fucking infrastructure and you just go around classifying them as "betas" like some kind of douchebag on a bodybuilding forum. you keep saying you're not a dick but everything else you say pretty much proves otherwise. the market has no demand for sewage system fixing? what the fuck are you on about? what fucking fantasy world are you living in where tradespeople are not the backbone of modern civilization? i hope your house burns down just so you can tell the firefighters that show up that they don't work as hard as you, you stupid cunt.

and in response to your earlier post, MITT ROMNEY IS A DICK. he has consistently proven it over the course of his entire life. in fact, if he wasn't such a dick, he might've not skipped the war draft and actually got his head blown off years ago so we wouldn't have to tolerate any more of his dickish statements and actions, but, he's a dick, so he did skip the draft, and i just recently watched a video of him tell a gay veteran to his face that he doesn't have rights, the fucking dick. if mitt romney is not a fucking dick then who is?

Sep 17 2012 11:55PM

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Im not much of a grammar nazi, but it is getting so damn hard to read arguments. I think logic flaw and grammar flaw are starting to go hand in hand.

Sep 17 2012 11:57PM

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Dude, calm down. Hes saying people who didnt try hard early on in life end up in jobs like plumbing. Aka if I dont try hard while in school and cant go to college, Ill end up in such a job. Hes not saying plumbers dont work hard.

Sep 18 2012 12:00AM

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I know the OP was going for outrage and intrigue because cameras "weren't rolling," but that all seems to be in line with the party platform, and very reasonable

Sep 18 2012 12:03AM

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which is just such a fucking backwards ass thing to say, really, because tradespeople do go to college, where the fuck else do you learn how to weld a bridge together? the ignorance spewed about tradespeople here is fucking astounding, you have to go to college for 3 years before you can even become a journeyman in most trades.

Sep 18 2012 12:03AM

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tax-cuts-rich-dont-spur-151649273.html

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I'm sure you have zero processing power based on your comment alone.

Sep 18 2012 12:04AM

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You do realize that the rich pay much more in percentage taxes than the poor... Romney's the next president, get over it. The next thing we need to do is get Bernanke out of the fed. Another round of QE? What the fuck does he think that'll do? The economy's moving, slowly, but moving. The only thing QE does is shit on the banks.

Sep 18 2012 12:06AM

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Wtf. He's right. The vast majority of people don't give a shit about personal responsibility. They're just selfish and willing to vote for the candidate that benefits them the most. If his claim that he wants to decrease the size of the government were true, his argument would be very persuasive. Unfortunately, he's actually so similar to Obama that any attempt to differentiate himself from the president is going to require doublespeak.

Sep 18 2012 12:06AM

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you are so out of touch with life it amazes me. I'm going to leave you with an important rule in life. "Respect any man works no matter what the job is."

Sep 18 2012 12:10AM

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I complain about the rich not paying taxes. Let me tell you why. Lets say that there is an all around 5% tax hike. What will the rich be losing? Yes they will be losing more money then the poor, but what would that go toward? Their new jet ski, or the trip to the bahamas... They might not be able to do those things, but what will the less fortunate be losing? A meal, a house payment, a car payment. If you want to deny these people a right to live, just so that "trickle down" will happen, then fuck you sir.

Also, trickle down doesnt work.

Sep 18 2012 12:12AM

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wooooooooah jumister havent seen you post in so long.

Sep 18 2012 12:28AM

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Haha oh god this explains it all, kids in law school. Inb4 this kid graduates and can't find a job and has massive amounts of debt.

Sep 18 2012 12:31AM

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your taxes don't really go to poor people. if they did, there would be no poor people. as americans, most of your taxes go to the military, then go back to you in the form of public infrastructure (which apparently doesn't even matter to rich lawyers), and a tiny percentage of them go to helping the less fortunate/welfare.
so really, if you're going to get all fucking mad about paying taxes, then don't elect shit disturbers like Romney, who has already insulted half the planet and is likely to start the third world war if elected, not just because he wants to start a war, which he has already stated (which means he plans to raise your taxes as well, whether he says so or not), but also because half the world is just itching for an excuse to take on america (btw, it's not the 40's anymore).

Sep 18 2012 12:42AM

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Remind me as to the last time that there was a flat tax. Also, give me some stats on the amount of jobs 'the rich' create for the poor. Are the poor creating jobs? Unemployment is one of the biggest issues our country faces, and strapping down those that can create jobs doesn't seem very intelligent.

Sep 18 2012 12:47AM

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It cracks me up when one of the 83 black guys in Canada actually knows more than even the self proclaimed 'educated' americans.

Hands down, this thread is retarded, because it's mostly a bunch of kids from western mass or something, who's parents had enough money to send them to boarding schools, and allow them to go on ski trips to Vermont, college being outright paid for with daddy cash, and all the other awesome bullshit you well-off fuckers have been able to receive...

and then you guys are the ones who we're supposed to listen to for advice on how this ship's supposed to be sailed... sure.

get out of here jumeister. You've been retarded ever since you were 14 and you told me how cool you were for growing up in the '13th best city in the country' as if that isn't subjective or irrelevant..

Sep 18 2012 12:53AM

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There was never a flat tax, it was a hypothetical situation, if the same tax hikes went to each of the classes. And having a group of 100 superrich people with 100 different ideas wont create as many jobs as a hundred thousand semi rich people with a hundred thousand different ideas.

Sep 18 2012 1:04AM

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If I'm mad about paying taxes, then I'm not going to elect Obama.

Sep 18 2012 1:06AM

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Is there something wrong with what mitts saying? he's being very truthfull IMO, if anything i like him more now just from hearing him speaking privately rather than publically, i agreed with him more there than i probably ever have.

Sep 18 2012 1:06AM

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If you're mad about paying taxes, then don't vote for anyone, and go totally under the table, or self-reliant and live off the land...

Death and Taxes - two constants in life.

Ben Franklin, motherfucker.

Sep 18 2012 1:08AM

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I mean yeah I'd love to do that, but realistically i can't, and not voting for anyone wont help me with anything, so I vote for who most closely embodies my beliefs and I just would rather have freedom than equality so I'm not really into the amount of taxes imposed on my family and I.

Sep 18 2012 1:13AM

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well no shit, if you're mad about paying taxes then you're either not going to vote at all, or you're going to vote for whoever lies and tells you you're going to pay less taxes (basically every politician ever). either way, you work a job, you pay taxes. you could elect not to work, or if you're the head of your own company, you could just not pay them, but either way you're pretty much fucked. and anybody who thinks they're going to get a tax cut after everything america is going/has gone through is fucking stupid. honestly, americans complaining about taxes is like the students in quebec whining about their school tuitions (they're already lower tuition fees than the rest of the continent). you pay lower taxes than everybody else on the planet, so just shut the fuck up about it, it's not like you were ever going to get that money anyways, it's not like it ever gets paid to you. your only choice in the matter isn't who you elect, it's whether or not you decide to contribute to society.

Sep 18 2012 1:19AM

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Ohhh, so realistically, you can't grab yourself by the crotch, and go support yourself all on your own and all...

but you expect others to be able to do that... realistically...

Okay, guy.

Sep 18 2012 1:27AM

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Sep 18 2012 1:36AM

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You told me to not vote and live off the land which is completely unrealistic. I do support myself and so you lost me with where you got that from

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