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Turf destroys ski bases?

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Cyanicenine
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Recently finished our summer setup, we have m-snow for the drop in, but astro turf for the landing. I don't know if my K2 press just has a crappy base, or if the m-snow or the astro turf is destroying my bases. Anyone else experience a similar problem?
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BITS
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Do you ever wax your skis?
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Cyanicenine
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Omg what's ski wax?

Seriously though, does anyone have any useful responses?
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BlakeG
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that was a useful response you should wax your skis even with candle wax always when your using m-snow or water ramping

you are a closed minded idiot
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BMohrSteeze
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maybe its the rail cuz they do where them down based on what its made of
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Cyanicenine
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No, that comment was very snarky. So I replied in kind. Yes I wax my skis. Do you really think someone who would spend the money on m-snow and a backyard setup doesn't know how to maintain their equipment.

The fact that the need to put "ever" in that sentence was a clear attempt to be insulting rather than helpful.
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OG_Loc
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…are you bipolar?
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BITS
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If you wax your skis often and keep your setup wet, there is no way your skis would be noticeably damaged. The only possible reason I see is you got water in your skis from core shots. That means you don't know how to maintain your equipment.
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razors-chaz
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Im fairly sure its the m-snow. I ski alot of dryslope and m-snow isnt that different in that its bristles your skiing on. I would reccomend trying to find a ploar wax (-20c) this will be pretty solid but will protect your bases alot better than a regular wax. Also the base materials k2 are fairly soft and skiing such a harsh surface like m-snow or dryslope materials is going to steal your base material. I had serious peoblems of my skis getting railed and had to get a harsh base grind leaving me now will little base material left.
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razors-chaz
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*polar wax
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I_Am_Mod
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are you sure that your skishop has mounted your skis the right way ? I know that their design looks very symmetrical so maybe your skishop mounted em backwards ...
bases are structured in specific and directional ways so if your base is running in the wrong direction it's going to create a lot more drag, you can compare it with driving backwards in an F1 car, it's not very streamlined

a good test would be to try and hit your setup in switch and see if it slides better ...
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Squeenerd
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Always hot wax before you use msnow
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HumanGenius
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if they are symmetrical wouldn't the bases be symmetrical too? and does that mean the no matter how straight someone skis switch it could never be as fast as someone of equal weight and size skiing straight forwards on the same model skis and everything? i never knew that but it makes sense they say wax tip to tail always..
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Forcillo
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well the K2 Press is not a symmetrical ski, so I don't think that's the problem. it is very wide in the front and tapers down in the back, and It hardly rises in the tail.
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Rachy
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could be a combination of too thin base, not right or enough wax, and maybe not enough water.

In reality, no backyard set up is good for your skis unless it's snow. Your causing friction on the bottom of your skis which is heating them up. Usually when you heat up your bases, your doing a wax job, not doing something that is going to scrape it off.

We talked about this a bit when I was helping out with stuff at Woodward. Occasional use, not going to damage the bases. Lots of use and they suggested using rock skis.
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TChronic
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Msnow because its just a plastic material, it wears your skis wax down more quickly. The turf shouldn't wear as much but does as well. I would recommend waxing a little more ofter, with a springish weather wax. Also, use your hose more often, and it goes without saying its best to use a junk pair of skis because it will still wreck them.
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roddy116
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yes its a prickly piece of plastic, your base will get destroyed
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JahJahBinks
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.squirrely.
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get a beater pair
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Pudge
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She's a woman, so yes.
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FuckAllOfYou
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shut up you idiot, wax was the first thing he thought of, I thought the same thing, and I'm sure many others did too. problem solve
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k-fred
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wow -.- just to let you know you can make a setup with both turf and msnow because you need to wax your skis to slide well on msnow but if you wax your skis then you'll stick on turf so basically you have a choice to make. turf or msnow.
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cwphoto
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i have the k2 press and had the same problem. its not the turf, its the msnow. i water ramped a year ago and the msnow absolutely destroyed my bases. even with a lot of candle wax on them.
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Toaster-Tony
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great post.
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Bread_Fish
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When you make a summer setup you are pretty much shitting on your skis. You cant be too worried about your park skis anyway, they are gonna get beat up.

If you are now feeling depressed watch this.

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Cyanicenine
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Thanks to everyone who tried to shed some light on this. Sounds like its just a product of the m-snow and my cheap skis, which is pretty much what I expected. I haven't been putting water on my turf, because I'm not looking for speed when I land, but I'll try that and see if it helps.

Sorry to those who were put off by my sarcastic remark, I did not mean to offend your delicate sensibilities.
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razors-chaz
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Ideas are getting confused in this thread.
I am from the UK and as such i spend 75% of the year riding on artificial snow surfaces and have plenty of experience of base deteriation & burn from this type of surface.
the only way to stop the deterioration of any base material is wax and for riding on plastic you need the hardest wax you can get. to protect against the rough plastic bristles.
the best is dry slope specific wax but a very low temp wax will do way more good than others if you cant get a specific.
more water on your set up will also reduce damage but the fact is skis are made for snow and aren't made for sliding on a rough plastic surface.
after a day or so riding on dryslope/ 8 hours ride, you will need to reapply wax or it will eat away at your base material and you will end up with bases at a different height from your edges and will need a serious base grind to get it back to normal.
as a general rule if your going to be riding on artificial surface regularly use and old pair of skis or a pair which you only use on a summer set up or whatever. I've got skis which have had 4 seasons of mixed use on them and i am having to only use them on dryslope now as the bases have become so slow and don't hold wax despite regularly waxing them for their whole usage life. /half-cut rant
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DesertSkiBum
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no. shes just a woman
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chicken
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haha what stupid OP. The first question was the first thing I thought of. ALOT of people NEVER wax their summer/ramp skis. I never did for like 5 years until I found out how much better it was. If you are worried about ruining your skis though then don't slide on anything besides snow...
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Cyanicenine
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M-snow comes with bunch of wax bricks (mwax) which I have been using (I assumed most people familiar with m-snow would know this).

I'm not particularly worried about these skis, I bought a the k2press because it was cheap and I wouldn't feel bad about destroying it, I just didn't expect to see this level of wear so soon.
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TheBlueMtSkier
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chicken
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Are you serious? No one is going to confuse this with any other word. If you think I meant "allot" in that context, then you are a donkey.
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K-Dot.
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what...?
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Blindinglight
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L.G.P.
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its not the turf thats harming your skis, turf isnt going to do that much. its the msnow that will shred them up. considering it is just hard plastic spikes digging into your skis. so its basically like going over rocks. i use pvc for the drop in, thats probably a better idea if you dont have more than one pair of skis.
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DayMan
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Very poor use of that... Didn't even make sense
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Blindinglight
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Doesn't have too this is the internet
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EmperorKuzco
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he has a point.
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TheBlueMtSkier
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Blindinglight
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You don't know me. You don't know what I got.
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TACO-DOG.exe
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you have a vagina
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Blindinglight
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HE'S IN MY HEAD
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I_Am_Mod
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and @ forcillo

looks like i need to brush up on my e-sarcasm ...
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Mr_Mackey
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Op is a bitch
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ZAHNER
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turf wont do shit... m-snow will tear up ur bases
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Splice.
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Made in china :)

But srsly.

My iron maidens look fine after m-snow. but I wax em
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dylansiggers
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Stop trying to act smart with big words, its the internet. Wax your skis and dont scrape them, that will probably help.


Then never ask NS a question again because you suck at taking advice.
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Peter.
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OP is clearly on her period

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ColinB
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pardon me if it has been said, i didnt read every single post. but have you been spraying the msnow and astroturf with laundry detergent and water? also, with msnow(at least im pretty sure thats the stuff that whaleback uses) tire-shine that you get at an autoparts store helps considerably

as far as the skis, to the contrary of the comment bashing K2, k2 makes a bunch of great skis, however the press is not one of them. the bases on the press are the same as the bases they put on their junior skis, and are not the material of traditional ski bases. which could be your problem
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Jibberino
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You're a fucking moron. You do realise that a lot of people never was their skis, right? You need to lighten the fuck up.
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BChaps1209
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ok seriously...?
i was about to be impressed with the apology but you had to ruin it
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