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Question to guys with real cameras on the mountain.

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b_r_tregs
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I was wondering should i just bag the go pro and bring my t3i with me on the mountain. But when i'm not filming should i just keep it in a locker or a backpack?
Sep 4 2012 7:41AM
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LC.
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Get some good luggage locks and a good bike lock. Lock it shut and lock it very securely in a location that's not too obvious but still easy to check every lap. Someone with a knife will still be able to take it, but that's the risk you'd need to take. Using an old beat up backback instead of a Lowpro or Sequence would be a good idea.
Sep 4 2012 9:50AM
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gravel
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choose days that you'll film all day and days that you'll not film at all.

or stash it in your car when you're not using it.
Sep 4 2012 10:49AM
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b_r_tregs
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What if i am 13.


No car
Sep 4 2012 10:58AM
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j.benziger
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Lol
Sep 4 2012 10:59AM
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TijmenDal
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Dude. Don't hate. Not on his age and not on the fact he doesn't have a car. I'm 21 and I don't have a car. Hell, I don't even have my drivers license.
Be supportive of a little kid that's already out there trying to film his buddies or whatever.

Anyway, it's probably different with video because you need a lot more gear, but when I'm skiing, I just bring a small setup (body+2/3 primes) that fits in my bag easily and I just ski with it. Camera's and lenses are fucking sturdy and unless you plan on hucking cliffs and landing on your back on some rocks, there's no way you can wreck your stuff (my stuff in this case).
Sep 4 2012 11:25AM
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b_r_tregs
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Thanks and what camera bag do you have?

Sep 4 2012 11:29AM
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TijmenDal
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I got an F-stop Tilopa for if I'm taking lots of gear. But normally if I'm only taking a little I take a Dakine Heli Pro DXL with F-stop Small shallow ICU. Fits perfectly and leaves room for my shovel, probe, some food and water.
Sep 4 2012 11:54AM
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gravel
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in response, then, i just choose days to film and days to ski.

on days that i film, i'll bring my dakine heli pro backpack and in it i'll put my camera bag http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/302290-REG/Canon_7507A004_2400_Gadget_Bag_Black.html which can hold my canon t3i, tokina 11-16, tamron 17-50, canon 50, plus other accessories for filming.

on the outside, i can strap my manfrotto 055XPROB tripod where the skis are normally strapped and just leave the 701 head on the tripod.
Sep 4 2012 3:58PM
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b_r_tregs
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awesome thanks

Sep 4 2012 5:21PM
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Balto
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when not using it, keep it locked in your car
Sep 4 2012 5:21PM
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ryano
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no i'll just hate on the fact that he's 13 and has a t3i..

must be nice...
Sep 4 2012 5:29PM
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JuliusJ
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Yeah, he probably is lucky and has parents who support his interests. But no need to tear him down because of that...
Sep 4 2012 6:50PM
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ryano
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i mean, i'm all for parents supporting interests, dont get me wrong.

but buying the top of the line gear and equipment right off the bat is a bit much. specially when they're 13.. i mean, c'mon...
Sep 4 2012 6:56PM
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Sklar
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Whatever,
it does not concern you, so you don't need to worry about it.
Sep 4 2012 6:59PM
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ryano
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i spose you are correct. hard not to judge sometimes..
Sep 4 2012 7:01PM
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Jelle
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Or maybe he had a summer job and were smart to save up all his money on something he is interested in ..
Sep 5 2012 7:03AM
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BA.berger
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Im 14 and I have a 7d, Norway for the win!
I do also get alot of hate,haha
Cant wait too see my karma sink, YOLO
Sep 5 2012 7:51AM
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WillStart
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a t3i is hardly top of the line gear. and why not just buy a nice camera right away instead of buying a shitty one to start with, then having to buy a nicer one later on? waste of money
Sep 5 2012 8:20AM
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b_r_tregs
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THANK YOU!!
Sep 5 2012 9:43AM
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QuinnBestwick
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yea i wasnt the smartest and bought a nikon d3100 as my first camera and wish i saved a little bit longer to be able to have more frames or a better lense
Sep 5 2012 9:53AM
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[~_~]
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A t3i is not top of the line, in fact everything about that camera is geared towards beginners who are looking to get into video for cheap. Back in my day we didn't have DSLRs; you had to drop $3k on a video camera before you even knew if it was something you enjoyed. Rabble rabble stop being a prick.
Sep 5 2012 10:48AM
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michael_bc
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Come on man. The guy has a Go Pro and an entry-level Canon cameras. Who are you to attack him for this? Honestly, if a 13-year-old is into video/photo, I think this gear is money well spent.

And seriously, top of the line = Canon 1DX, Nikon D4. Stop telling people that buying an entry-level camera to enter into photography is "a bit much". It's bullshit advice. A beginner is supposed to begin with a beginner camera, and the t2i, t3i, t4i are Canons beginner cameras. Period.

To the OP: I would never leave any electronics behind in the ski resort. A GoPro fits in a jacket pocket, so you can take that on the mountain any time. A DSLR requires some planning. If you are skiing/shooting park, you will have to make a choice for the day or rotate a backpack between friends. If you are skiing powder, you will need to carry a backpack anyway so it's easier.

I personally make a choice for the day whether to take my DSLR or not. If I take the DSLR, I most definitely do not hit the park or huck large cliffs, and mostly spend my time shooting my friends. I reckon I take my DSLR 1 out of 10 ski days, maybe less. For the days that I don't want to take my DSLR, I have some smaller camera options that I can easily stash in my backpack or in a jacket pocket (Olympus PEN or a GoPro). If I need to leave a backpack behind. I use shitty old backpack with absolutely no valuables inside.
Sep 5 2012 11:08AM
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Mag
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Threads.
Sep 5 2012 11:19AM
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BA.berger
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I do sometimes ask the man who sits inside the ''lifthouse'' if he can have it there so its safe...
doesnt hurt to ask..:)
Sep 5 2012 11:20AM
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Mag
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Was planning on doing this sometimes If I'm going somewhere fast/steep/cliffy, usually the lifties are pretty chill and let you put your bag in their hut/next to them.
Sep 5 2012 11:35AM
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monkatizer
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you are correct, but this kind of edit (see below) DOES NOT warrant getting a DSLR. he should learn to make good edits on a basic camera before stepping up to a very very complex camera (for a 13 yr old). he can barley make an edit with a super easy to use and basic camera, theres no way he will with a t3i.

his skill doesnt deserve a nice camera like that.

kids like this need to quit blaming their gear for shitty ass edits, and start blaming themselves, because i could make a much much better edit with a go pro then him.

and i do currently make much better edits with a camera worse then a gopro right now!

not to mention that he clearly has no good skiing to film






/rant inb4 hate
Sep 5 2012 3:27PM
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ryano
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agreed.
Sep 5 2012 3:42PM
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b_r_tregs
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Dude i know i am not good and neither is my friend. But i know no one else who free skis and i am not gonna follow random guys around filming them. And i saved up for the camera my self and got it.

Also i have been online a lot learning about video programs and photo editing tools.


Last the gopro is my friends.



Sep 5 2012 3:43PM
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[~_~]
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A DSLR is a basic camera...it doesn't get much simpler than a cheap camera with basic manual functions. The fact that you think any sort of DSLR qualifies as a complex video camera says more about you than it does about OP.
Sep 5 2012 3:50PM
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m3owzza
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god you're a douche but so right at the same time

although buying the equivalent hv30/40 which is around the same price range is way more simple to use and has a friendly, beginner (if you will) interface
Sep 5 2012 4:18PM
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ryano
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a dslr is a basic camera on a more professional level.
not on a 13 year old level. dont even try to bullshit that.

like the guy above said, kids are so apt to blame their shit footage on the gear or the lighting or whatever it may be. until you can even put out an edit using a gopro or lower level entry video camera, you shouldnt have an entry level professional dslr camera.
Sep 5 2012 4:57PM
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monkatizer
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i dont think a DSLR is a very complex camera, but relative to a gopro, its rather complex, especially when a 13yr old is operating it who can hardly make a gopro edit
Sep 5 2012 5:10PM
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.qzyxya
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I bought a T2i when I was 14 (15 now) and I actually knew how to use one before. That kid clearly has no skill at all but dont say just because someone is young they are retarded and dont know how to use/ need a dslr.
Sep 5 2012 5:20PM
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[~_~]
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When I was 14 I used a DVX100b, as did many people. It is still far more complicated than any DSLR available, and it served as a motivation for me to learn the concept of gamma curves, pulldown, knee, sample rate, etc., none of which are found on any DSLR by the way. Saying that a 13 years old is barred from having access to a cheap and simple piece of equipment that allows them to learn and have fun is just snobbish and only reveals your insecurities. And as for the phenomenon where people blame their abilities on their gear: it's an entirely separate issue that in no way came to root in this thread. Stop confusing your arguments.
Sep 5 2012 6:48PM
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Chubz.
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dslr's aren't even that fucking hard to use dude...jesus christ.
Sep 5 2012 7:05PM
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monkatizer
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just because its cheap and basic for you doesnt mean it is for everyone, we can clearly tell that you have tons of camera experience.

im not saying that every 13 year old cant use a dslr, its that most 13 year olds i know probly couldnt, and same goes for this kid.

if he can hardly make an edit with a gopro, whats to say he will with a dslr, which has hundreds of ajustments/buttons as compared to 2 on a gopro?

were saying that he should probly learn the basics and pump out a couple good edits with a gopro before he gets overwhelmed with a dslr and doesnt even produce good shit with that either.
Sep 5 2012 7:22PM
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[~_~]
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I would argue that GoPros are more difficult to make videos with because you're stuck without any settings and a fisheye. Just because someone is good at using a GoPro doesn't mean it will translate to a DSLR, and vice versa. Also, the video aspect of a DSLR is basically three settings. 5 if you count the frame rates and picture profiles. I don't want to call your friends retarded, but...

Who are you to dictate what he is or isn't capable of doing? How do you know a GoPro will help him more? It sounds like a DSLR is exactly what he needs.
Sep 5 2012 7:31PM
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monkatizer
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you make a very valid point sir.

but i still stick mostly with what i have said.

ill stop posting and see what others have to say.
Sep 5 2012 7:38PM
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[~_~]
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I should expand on this. Fisheyes are possibly the worst type of lens to learn composition with. Not only do they fail to enable the shooter with different geometric compressions, but the circular distortion actively corrupts the shooters habits by teaching them to put everything in the dead center of the screen. With a DSLR you have access to a cost efficient means of learning the cause/effect of lenses: their focal length, distortion, aperture, and how all these things affect composition/geometry. And considering the other basic features like shutter speed and ISO, a DSLR is actually a perfect learning tool. With a GoPro you have none of these features, and even with the awesome HV40 you are using an electronically controlled aperture, which unlike DSLRs, doesn't blatantly reveal to a newcomer the mechanical workings of aperture.
Sep 5 2012 7:46PM
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ryano
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just because something may be "user friendly" or "easy to use" does not mean a 13 year old knows HOW to use it.

you cant tell me that every other 13-15 year old out there that has their parents buy them a dslr knows much or anything about iso, fstop/aperture, shutter speed, etc.. nonetheless where/when/and the setting to use them in.

you'll prolly say "well thats how they learn". but i'm saying you dont need to buy a kid that young a camera anywhere from a grand or 1500... even more if they buy them different lenses as well.

you CAN learn this stuff and how to use those features on something far cheaper and reasonable for a kid. who has a good chance at breaking it, losing it, etc etc.
Sep 5 2012 7:48PM
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WillStart
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have you seen DTF's edits dude? he started filming with a 60D when he was like 13 or 14 or something and was absolutely killing it within a year. as Landis said, a more professional camera only motivates you to learn how to use it to its full potential.
Sep 5 2012 7:49PM
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ryano
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i'm not saying kids that age should be barred from having a camera like that. all i'm saying is you'd be better off starting with something simpler and becoming skilled at the basics before moving on to something on a more high end level.

its like giving a 13 year old a 2012 sports bike before he's proficient at riding a small dirt bike.
Sep 5 2012 7:55PM
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WillStart
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i 100% disagree. i guess if we feel differently about this then there's nothing that I can say that will change your mind, but all i'll add is that i bought an HVX when i was 16, which at the time was definitely the equivalent of a 13 year old (or maybe 11 or 12 year old) buying a DSLR today, considering how easy it is to find information on NS these days regarding how to properly use a camera. I didn't have anywhere near the knowledge required to make the most out of my HVX when I bought it, but by the time I sold it like 2.5 years later I knew probably 4 or 5 times as much about how to use a camera because of the fact that I had purchased a camera that was way above my original skill level. I wouldn't have progressed nearly as much had I bought a camera that I was "ready for."
Sep 5 2012 8:23PM
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monkatizer
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this.

did your parents let you learn to drive in their brand new porsche or the 02 impala?

this idea applies to everything, you need to learn the basics before moving up to the big things in EVERY aspect of life.


and dont tell me that zak (dtf) went from nothing to a dslr. he must have had a couple camcorders and basic cams that he could make good edits with first.
Sep 5 2012 8:27PM
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family_vacation
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You're talking down to him based on age, but it sounds like you're two years older at most. I've seen you post before, and based on that you don't know shit about video work. You should put a little effort into improving your own creations before coming into the forums ready to put down stoked kids. Everyone starts somewhere, and a DSLR is a great tool to begin the learning process.


I'd also like to point out another entertaining part of your post, "and i do currently make much better edits with a camera worse then a gopro right now!"



Yeah...

And lastly, what does having "no good skiing to film" have to do with anything? He wants to buy a camera to increase the quality of his own work, the talent of the riders has nothing to do with that. It might get more people stoked to watch it online, but riding quality is always independent of filming/editing quality. And would you like to know what's going to happen after he buys the DSLR and gets good at filming? Great riders will be stoked as hell to film with him.
Sep 5 2012 8:42PM
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monkatizer
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i know man, im working on a much better, summer clif jumping edit right now, and i do realize i was wrong in saying the thing about no good skiing to film.
Sep 5 2012 9:19PM
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jeano
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why so much hate? when i was 15 i was filming with a vx1mk1 and a vx21mk2... yeah, i definitely wasn't that great at filming but with time comes experience. just imagine what this kid could produce 5 years from now. for me, though, i found photography to be more appealing and now i'm getting a few g's a month working at a photography studio part time, straight out of highschool with no proper education.

if i were you man, just get a t3i and use it as much as possible. learn everything there is to the camera and when you're ready (you'll know when,) maybe pick up something nicer or invest in some bomb glass. take a few classes at school, see if you really like it. the t3i is a great mid level camera and should last you a while...


Sep 5 2012 11:40PM
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miroz
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Holy shit this thread got derailed fast.

To OP: When I'm filming and need to put down some equipment, for whatever reason, I like to ask the lifties to hold onto it. Make friends with some of them, and then when you feel comfortable with them, ask them to just watch it while you lap for a little while. You'll see it each time you come to the bottom and can grab it whenever you're ready. I do this while skiing park at Mount Snow - when I give the lifties my camera/tripod so that I can lap/followcam, my laps become less than ten minutes long because we're flying down the hill. Checking up on my stuff every ten minutes is plenty for me.

Of course you have to trust the lifties, and they're not at all responsible for your shit - if it gets taken on their watch, they're not to blame. Usually they keep my stuff behind the big lift building or next to the console they stand at.

Just my two cents. Worse comes to worst, keep it in your parents' car. Grab the key when you hit the hill, and drop it off there when you're done. You can stash it in the woods too, if you feel comfortable doing that. Woods stash with a little bike lock can be very effective.

Good luck man!
Sep 6 2012 12:36AM
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CrotchKiller
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Sep 6 2012 1:14AM
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michael_bc
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Holy fuck the hate in this thread. A nice camera like what? It is one of the cheapest, lowest, most basic models on the market. Stop blowing these cameras out of proportion.

Stop the arrogance and stop trying to convince people to buy shitty cameras just because they are beginners!!!!
Sep 6 2012 3:14AM
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