Help picking a new Tripod and Microphone

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I'm not sure if i can help much with tripods (I have a 190xprob) but probably with audio and mics. I'd say get a rode videomic and a zoom h4n if you can afford that. If you currently have absolutely NO external mic or audio recorder you can get a cheap one like this audio technica that I have. The rode videomics are obviously much better if you can afford them. I don't know as far as other brand mics though.

What would you be recording the audio into? a DSLR? If you don't already have it be sure to get magic lantern to control audio levels.

Sep 4 2012 7:33AM

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Rode videomic pro

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/744768-REG/Rode_VIDEOMIC_PRO_VideoMic_Pro_Compact_Shotgun.html

and i just use a Cam Caddie Scorpion or opteka x grip. They both get the job done. no more help for me from there

cam caddie:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/580698-REG/Dot_Line_CC_100_CC_100_Cam_Caddie_Scorpian.html

Opteka:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=NavBar&A=getItemDetail&Q=&sku=692449&is=REG&si=rev#costumerReview

but if i do use a tripod i use something like this(i could not find the exact one i use but its something like this and its from the same brand)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/737966-REG/Davis_Sanford_MAGNUMXG_MagnumXG_Tripod_W_FX12_Head.html

Sep 4 2012 7:55AM

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Thanks. Im using a 7D so unfortunately cant get magic lantern, preferably I will be recording straight into the DSLR but I have plenty of experience syncing up audio in post so that would not be the end of the world.

My budget would easily allow for a Rode VideoMic, but would the audio be good enough for interviews per say or just as a general good improvement from the terrible in camera mic?

^ btreger - thanks for the suggestions on the grips but a tripod is what I need. I'm not rushing around like mad or moving with the cam where a handle may be more suitable. As for the tripod, I'm pretty confident a $99 one is not what im after...

Sep 4 2012 10:24AM

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It's a bummer the 7d doesn't have magic lantern but I believe the newest firmware has manual audio levels. As far as the rode videomic goes, yes it would definitely work well for interviews. it isn't like the internal built in mic that just records everything, its much better and has a more directional pickup pattern. This blog I follow called oliviatech (and cheesycam) uses rode videomic pros almost exclusively into h4ns and 5ds and whatnot. Their audio is really great. I'd say definitely buy a videomic or videomic pro if your budget allows it.

Sep 4 2012 5:08PM

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http://cheesycam.com/cheap-china-shotgun-microphone/

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Check this comparison between cheap and expensive mics:

http://cheesycam.com/cheap-vs-not-so-cheap-shotgun-mic-test/

You can go ahead and buy yourself a zoom h1 for only 100 bucks if you want less noise (not volume - random hissing noise)

Dunno about tripod though, 055s are generally really nice tripods.

Sep 4 2012 5:15PM

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Thanks for that, was really helpful. Rode VideoMic seems good then. One thing I've noticed a lot is people recording their mics through the H4n. If the H4n is a mic itself whats the benefit of doing this? I presume its so you can see your audio levels and such and adjust accordingly or having 2 audio supplies?

The 055 was an OK tripod, but mine is now broken so would like to spend money on a tripod that will last me a whole lot longer as well as one that is light and sturdy like I stated in the original post.

Any more help on the tripod front?

Sep 4 2012 11:03PM

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Miller solo legs, no question about it. You 701 head will be okay for now but a satchler cine dslr head would be a nice upgrade too.

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Thanks! That gives me more confidence. Why would you recommend the Miller Solo's so much over the RRS? I know Dan Carr has the RRS and loves it. Also, I would like to be able to use the ball head (leveling base) feature they both would provide so leveling is far easier using the 701. I presume i would need to buy something like the RRS Leveling base:

Would this work on the Miller Solo or would I need to buy a different one. I cant seem to find anything like this from Miller.

Yes il need to upgrade to a new head, but as of right now im limited to only legs. Playing it job by job - do one, upgrade my gear, do another, upgrade again. So slowly but surely

Sep 5 2012 4:16AM

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Not sure about the adapter you speak of, but i dont know much about RRS i just know miller legs are fucking solid, they on my future purchase list.

Sep 5 2012 4:22AM

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https://vimeo.com/45687478

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Alright got ya. Miller sounds pretty good then.

What im talking about is currently with my tripod I have to adjust all the legs to different height/ angles to be able to get the head level if on uneven ground. Takes a while and is just plain annoying. With the ball head leveling base, I can just unlock the head, level it to wear it needs to be and lock it up. Simple as that.

I Hope that makes more sense. If not skip to 3.54 of this video and its clearly shown by Philip Bloom what I mean.

Sep 5 2012 4:38AM

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I mean, i know what a ball head it. I think you just need an adapter to make the ball head legs work with the flatbase 701 head.

Sep 5 2012 4:49AM

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Oh OK sorry, didn't get that. Would any 75mm adapter work? Do you have any suggestions on a good one?

Sep 5 2012 5:09AM

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minor thread jack how do you get magic lantern?

Sep 5 2012 9:14AM

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RRS makes some quality stuff for sure, but its also aimed at photography. Gitzo legs tend to flex under the demands of video; that doesn't make them bad. It just means they're built for still photography. Also, be careful about gear recommendations from blogs. Most blogs are just creative advertisements.

To adapt a 701 head, you need a 75mm half-ball. Manfrotto makes one.

Sep 5 2012 10:44AM

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The H4n is a better quality audio recorder than a DSLR. It has less hiss and better preamp. You can get it if you feel the quality straight into the camera isnt good enough, but I'd get a rode and then test it out straight into the camera first.

Sep 5 2012 11:30AM

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Too bad the H4N has an awful preamp. Might as well use a DSLR without AGC.

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OK great, thats the sort of stuff I was wondering. I knew the RRS seemed more photo oriented but seemed like it could also work well for video. Thoughts on the Miller? Thats the direction i think im leaning towards now.

I look into that manfrotto, thanks. Would most half-balls then work on the MIller if they are 75mm?

^ I think I understand then with the audio. Looking though wiki to understand preamps and AGC more, its still a bit confusing but im getting there. Seems like the best option is to get a rode videomic now unless anyone else has any other options they think are better for me to look at. Im willing and need to learn more about audio... Slowly but surely.

Thanks

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if you are just getting audio of skiing and random shit the rode videomic will be fine. if you ever need to get more serious, an external recorder and a wireless lav mic would be a good setup. every talks down on the zoom but ive used it many times with no complaint

Sep 5 2012 12:06PM

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I'm not so sure about that... but it doesn't matter really anyways. DSLR with magic lantern/no agc much easier anyways.

Sep 5 2012 12:06PM

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I agree. Even a piece of crap mic like the 20 dollar chinese one i linked on cheesycam.

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I think Miller makes the best outdoor legs for video. They're light, compact, and stable enough for long focal lengths with large sensors. As for the half ball, it's a universal system. As long as you're pairing a 75mm half ball to 75mm bowl legs, it will work. Higher end companies like Miller abd Gitzo make adapters, but they're stupidly overpriced. If there's one thing Manfrotto does right, it's adapters.

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Great, thanks! Looks like Miller is the way to go and manfrotto half ball. Will look into that.

As for mics, general better audio is needed for all that stuff as well as the odd interview il have to do. The Rode Vid seems like its the way to go as well and if I end up needing more profesional audio I know what to look for.

Thanks all

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