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Head vs. Völkl

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~linconloooop~
Posts: 16 - Karma: 10
hey i was thinking on getting some new skis this year and i previosly have the head mojos and i was really impressed by their proformence but i have heard some really good thing about the Völkl Karma's. I was wondering if anyone has skied the Karma's and if they are a decint ski.



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Oct 16 2004 9:47PM
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J.D.
Posts: 21362 - Karma: 5,142
Isn't the karma just this year's incarnation of the V-pro? I'm a fan of head, but I don't think you can go wrong with either.

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Oct 16 2004 9:49PM
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joe_cool_ski
Posts: 796 - Karma: 9
volkl hands down
Oct 16 2004 9:50PM
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aclsarescary
Posts: 4010 - Karma: 31
may I ask? Why!

why those two companys when there are a half dozen rider owned companies that make quality gear at the same price
Oct 16 2004 10:14PM
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Geoffrey
Posts: 1219 - Karma: 11
head and volkl deffinatly make quality gear man



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Oct 16 2004 10:49PM
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freezed
Posts: 12973 - Karma: 500
head skis are nice, they wont get destroyed, ever.


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Oct 16 2004 11:18PM
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skimasterflex
Posts: 2064 - Karma: 16
Karma's all the way man. Especially if you wanna crossover. I predict it will be the first ski worth skiing every day of the year. This coming from a man with a quiver. If you're going with one ski this year make it the Karma.
Oct 16 2004 11:22PM
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snomaster
Posts: 3344 - Karma: 5,748
^ word to that. I rocked hard on my madtrix for 3 years and they still haven't busted beyond needing base welds... and that's just cuz I am non-discriminant about lines that might have rocks.

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Oct 16 2004 11:22PM
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Dirty
Posts: 679 - Karma: 12
as much as i'd like a new pair of skis, i already have some so i'd definatly take the head, as long as theres no teeth involved, oh yeah, and shes gotta cup the balls too.
Oct 16 2004 11:27PM
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Tha_Grouch
Posts: 2216 - Karma: 14
HEAD!! just do something about that extra gay topsheet graphic layout. Like turn the head of the snake into a dick head. That'd be better.


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Oct 16 2004 11:47PM
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Odd_Job
Posts: 258 - Karma: 10
depends on a lot of factors. how much you weight, how much park you ride, etc etc. give some details and prolly ppl will be able to give you a better answer. both skis are killer but suit different types of riders.
Oct 17 2004 12:11AM
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action_shot
Posts: 1646 - Karma: 97
i bought some new old madtrix last year the black and white ones from sportchek. i can't kill the damn ski, i learned rails on them and my edges are in mint shape, REDICULOUS i say, i would go for the new madtrix they are sick
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Oct 17 2004 12:17AM
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lanks
Posts: 12543 - Karma: 72
i say dont buy volkls, whatever you do, simply because my volkls broke wayyyyy to easily, after maybe 5 times on snow. and my buddies' situation with his volkl's is the same, if not worse than mine. i have never personally heard any complaints over heads.


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Oct 17 2004 12:54AM
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Posts: 18426 - Karma: 4,888
karmas are volkls version of the e-pollard pro model, so get them
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Oct 17 2004 8:26AM
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waterville_NH
Posts: 3411 - Karma: 23
after skiing on mad trix, volkls feel like the biggest pieces of shit, you have to work to get em to carve




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Oct 17 2004 9:22AM
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skogenjake
Posts: 6685 - Karma: 511
volkls got better graphics but im a shallow little bitch now arent i?

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Oct 17 2004 9:26AM
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navigator
Posts: 377 - Karma: 17
thats funny, i cant stop laughing. i would love to see some mad trix snake turned into a big dick. that would be funny shit, youd be able to pick up all the bunnys

Oct 17 2004 9:38AM
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swissskipunk
Posts: 66 - Karma: 10
yeah, why not glueing some dildos on your ski... oh by the way, the mad_trix is better.
Oct 17 2004 9:53AM
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Tha_Grouch
Posts: 2216 - Karma: 14
haha... I figured someone would find that funny. But seriously, the dick snakes don't hold a candle to tapered jeans piled on top of rear-entry raichle's... now thats funny shit.


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Oct 17 2004 12:04PM
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~linconloooop~
Posts: 16 - Karma: 10
ok..with all those messages im still not sure about which one to get but im leaning towards the volkls



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Oct 17 2004 12:52PM
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~linconloooop~
Posts: 16 - Karma: 10
yay im getting the volkls in two days, take that you guys who said i should get head!



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Oct 17 2004 12:59PM
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Tha_Grouch
Posts: 2216 - Karma: 14
Your mistake. Even with the SUPER GAY graphics the Head is a muuuchhh better ski. and don't think I am baised or some shit, b/c I have owned both head and volkl skis, and the head's whoop the volkl's asses... EVERYWHERE.



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Oct 17 2004 1:49PM
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lanks
Posts: 12543 - Karma: 72
when i say my volkl's fell apart, im talking about my 2002 expressions. the way the edges were held in place was the downfall of that ski, because, well, they werent held in place whatsoever, and my ski ended up blowing apart because of it.

now other than that, the ski's performance was above average, and now that the graphics of volkl's are super, they arent a bad idea.

so as long as volkl fixed those durability problems from a couple seasons ago, they shouldnt be that bad of a choice. i guess i came on too strong against volkl in my last post.


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Oct 17 2004 3:25PM
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Posts: 1928 - Karma: 18
My old head skis were impossible to destroy


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Oct 17 2004 3:30PM
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skimasterflex
Posts: 2064 - Karma: 16
Wow somehow nobody mentioned how sick the exposed metal layer aruond the edge of the topsheet is. The Nobtrix are gonna give the Karma's Head this year for sure.

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Oct 17 2004 4:20PM
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V-Pro
Posts: 247 - Karma: 10
You have made a great selection. Ether way both the mad trix and karma are great skis. The expression is a noodle. I recon volkl just make them so shit skiers can have a ski from the best company, without having to ski a grunty and stiff ski.
Oct 17 2004 4:31PM
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mckeeman
Posts: 2674 - Karma: 122
volkl's bent...
stick with the mojo...I think its the best ski out there...just wish they made a mojo 193


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Oct 17 2004 6:40PM
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trama1260
Posts: 941 - Karma: 10
i heard volkl made really good skis
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Oct 17 2004 7:31PM
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howellposer
Posts: 12 - Karma: 10
Karmas definitely head dosn't compare
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Oct 17 2004 7:34PM
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Oct 17 2004 10:14PM
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bibs_skibum
Posts: 4462 - Karma: 449
i have a pair of v-pros and they kick ass. the karmas are pretty much the same thing but wider and better. they will rip through any kinds of conditions no matter what the weather throws at you. if you ever buy anything for quality buy volkl, you wont bet let down. (dont get me wrong, mt's are an awesome ski) but volkls kick the shit out of them
Oct 17 2004 11:55PM
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fr33rid3r
Posts: 1775 - Karma: 18
i have KArma 185s. they cut my leg pretty bad but i still love them. lol they're pretty good skis.






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Oct 18 2004 4:06AM
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kinosoo
Posts: 925 - Karma: 10
stick to the head I skied the old mad trick when it had the flip bindings, and they were sweet.
Oct 18 2004 1:26PM
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Shaggy
Posts: 4349 - Karma: 17
Volkl, all my friends that ride them are completly blown away. i picked up a pair of Explosives and cant wait to give em a whack...
Oct 18 2004 3:39PM
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Dahlin
Posts: 112 - Karma: 11
The karma is a nice ski, exept for my db's which I like better than those the Karma would be my choise. /msg me if you change youre mind and want to buy som drake boinays you cant go wrong with those.
Oct 18 2004 4:13PM
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mckeeman
Posts: 2674 - Karma: 122
too much metal in the volkl's...they sound like metal planks...head is wood and feels better than a morning hummer


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Oct 18 2004 7:43PM
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poor@$$skibum
Posts: 1625 - Karma: 40
i think what youve discovered is that you can't go wrong. just buy what appeals to you and your style.


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Oct 18 2004 9:55PM
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SirHucksAlot
Posts: 309 - Karma: 11
^now that last post has matter'd everything,thanx poor@$$skibum you've helped more than anyone else.

im gonna go with the karmas
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Oct 19 2004 7:51PM
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Shaggy
Posts: 4349 - Karma: 17
goooood call, you wont be dissapointed by the decision, i'd love to have me a pair of those
Oct 19 2004 8:04PM
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D-40
Posts: 6050 - Karma: 100
the new freeskier said that their testers said its the most versitile ski on the market
Oct 19 2004 8:14PM
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trama1260
Posts: 941 - Karma: 10
there is no metal in the karma its wood core from tip to tail. its completely reconstructed and is very differnt from the retired V-PRO. it also has one of the stongest edges ever made! you cant go wrong if you can afford the price tag I would recomend it for skiing anywhere on the mountain. i dont know much about Head and i have never heard anything bad about them so really you cant lose. alls i can say is wood core is the way to go!
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Oct 20 2004 1:22AM
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fr33rid3r
Posts: 1775 - Karma: 18
Karmas are mucho light as well, much lighter than the madtrix. they're heaps lighter than Scratch BC even.






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Oct 20 2004 3:00AM
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Indecent_Composure
Posts: 71 - Karma: 10
Really??
Yeah I had heard they were heavy because of a metal-topsheet or something?

I love the V-Pro's, I'm itching to demo some Karmas this season in the US though. I was under the impression (though I have no idea where I heard it from) that the Karmas were an amalgamation of the V-Pro and the G4 (or whatever the newer version was...AX4??)

Volkl's are awesome skis, though they tend to be pretty punishing for new skiers (I think coz they tend to be so stiff).
So as long as you're not a novice you will have a serious blast on them...Lucky baastad ;)

Oct 20 2004 5:41AM
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joncyrulik
Posts: 3 - Karma: 10
carma is buy far the way to go - i have been rideing them for a season and it has the be the best ski on snow. ow sure about the grip tape top but the ski is great
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Oct 20 2004 2:55PM
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Vtsnowski
Posts: 3536 - Karma: 1,199
volkl are way better


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Oct 20 2004 3:47PM
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Hef
Posts: 852 - Karma: 12
How is the topsheet holding up on the karmas? is it hacking your bases/edges
Nov 20 2004 2:18AM
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jpsnowbumb
Posts: 173 - Karma: 10
I like to get head!

Have an old pair of mad trix, they are sick!

Nov 20 2004 4:24AM
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