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Best boot to go to from a Lange?

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PDMN_
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I have lange boots at the moment but I want some new boots, I was thinking Salomons SPK Pros but I'm not sure how they weigh up in terms of last width? I have very narrow feet so does anyone know any brands that are designed with a narrow last? I know you can get custom fitted inners so that may have to come in to play!

Cheers, Paddy!

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Aug 7 2012 8:42PM
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PDMN_
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Any specific model? Or are any of them good? I was looking at the 'Drop Kick' or the 'Booter'
Aug 7 2012 9:06PM
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jfp
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Don't get ft's just because evryone is on the dick. Get what fits you best. Look for a 98 last or lower if you can find one and have the liner blown out with foam. either that or you could try daleboot, willey miller and lj strenio ride them they are full custom. another option but i'd say but prob not is carving out a race plug boot.
Aug 7 2012 9:24PM
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PDMN_
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Ok thanks! I'll go check them out! The only issue is shipping cost, im british so its gonna cost a bomb to get em here but oh well ;)
Aug 7 2012 9:30PM
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*jwill*
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see a boot fitter, if there is 1 thing you dont want to buy on the net it is boots

Aug 8 2012 6:26AM
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VD.
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Lange produces freeski boots in 97mm and 100mm lasts, all mountain boots in 102mm last and race boots in 97mm and 100mm lasts. So unless you know exactly what boot with what last you own it's difficult to say what freestyle boot would have a similar last/fit to your Lange's. This being said FullTilt men's boots are all made with a 99mm last except the Booter and the High Five which feature an 102mm last; due to the narrower last FTs do cater to skinny ankles. Salomon SPK 75,85 and 100 all feature a 104mm last and the Focus features a 104mm and 108mm last. I would, as am sure many others would, highly recommend seeing a boot fitter. Joey
Aug 8 2012 8:07AM
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LC.
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Race boots. Seriously.
Aug 8 2012 8:53AM
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Gmart
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From experience don't get a spk. I hate mine and I'm not the only one. I'd look into a krypton, il moro or something like those. If your gonna get a FT, check out the classic. A Lange rx 100 but I'd strongly consider a dalbello. Like I said before a krypton or il moro
Aug 8 2012 8:56AM
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PDMN_
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My langes have a last width of 98mm, so in that case some of the full tilts could be a good option but I need to find somewhere that sells them near me, which is gonna be hard since im British and freestyle boots are quite a rare occurrence!

Cheers, Paddy


Aug 8 2012 9:56AM
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PDMN_
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I just searched freestyle boots with 98mm last and the 'Atomic Volt' came up? Anyone had these or know anything about them?
Aug 8 2012 10:06AM
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bfulmer
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i recently switched from some traditional boots to full tilts and they took some getting used to, but now that i'm accustomed to them i would definitely recommend them
Aug 8 2012 10:32AM
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PDMN_
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Which boot you got? I think I might get the classic jus checking the specs now
Aug 8 2012 11:11AM
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bfulmer
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I got the red/black classics with a flex 6 tongue, and i really like them. At first they felt weird because they felt way lighter than any other boot I'd ever worn, and the flex was almost too much but after a while i broke them in and got used to them and now I absolutely love them. Also, I'm not sure if they all do but my boots came with the intuition liner, which makes them form-fit to your foot and calf, so they are WAY more comfortable than anything else I've ever worn
Aug 8 2012 12:37PM
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Nate.Dog
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the dalbello tanner hall pro is specifically made for narrow feet, not sure if already been said, but I have a friend with last years who swears by them.
Aug 8 2012 1:33PM
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VD.
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Ski Bartlett carry a lot of FT models and do really comprehensive fit, I know FreezeProShop carry them and I saw some drop kicks in EB Covent Garden store in December so I'm pretty sure they stock them too.
Aug 8 2012 4:30PM
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jfp
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like i said before, 98 mm last or below, and foward angle lean degree is imperitive to your selection, your natural stance and the shape of your foot is imperitive nevermind the colors and the brand name. that is the unfortunate truth of ski boots today, it is a pathetic industry that needs an entirely new adressment .its sad that freeskiing has progressed so much so much focus and design goes into new ski shapes but boots are pathetically behind the punch, thats because boot molds cost millions of dollars, something needs to change immediately
Aug 10 2012 1:55AM
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Banane.
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Lange rx 130 pro, dalbello il more or kryton pro, full tilt seth mo.
Aug 10 2012 2:30AM
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BigBCSki
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The Booters are awesome. Super comfortable and they feel really responsive and strong when sticking landings. Skied them all last season and will again this season
Aug 10 2012 2:36AM
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onenerdykid
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What do you think needs to change about a boot to make it Freestyle specific? Seeing as how there is no such thing as a "freestyle" footshape or "freestyle specific" geometry (athletes use everything from super aggressive forward leans to very upright)... Honest question, not being sarcastic
Aug 10 2012 3:58AM
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jfp
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don't get all offensive, there is clearly a lack of development in ski boots and it needs to change bottom line end of story ,
Aug 10 2012 4:03AM
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onenerdykid
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Not on the offensive, I was honestly asking for your opinion on what you would like to see
Aug 10 2012 4:29AM
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SKI.ING
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It would be "defensive" if that. And all he asked was for you to back up your claim with a few solid examples. Seeing as how he is heavily involved with the boot program for Atomic he would like to hear other skiers' opinions on the matter. If you're so knowledgeable about the pathetic state of the boot industry why don't you explain yourself to someone who actually has some say in it.
Aug 10 2012 4:51PM
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Caleb.E
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exactly... full tilts.

classics would be a good choice
Aug 10 2012 4:53PM
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.cam.
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Aug 10 2012 5:32PM
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Gmart
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Well he may not be on the offense, but I sure as hell am. You sir are a fucking moron. There's no such thing as a park boot first off. If so, explain what makes a boot, a park specific boot. Second, you will find people riding in the park tend to like a softer boot for the reason of it flexing a little more than your average boot when you land. Ive seen kids in race boots do cork's. Its the skiier, not the equiptment. The fact of the matter is every boot fits differently. No feet are the same shape, so ur right u can't buy a boot from online because someone said it works for me. But you can get a general sense of what your looking for in a boot. Back to your statement, the industry needs to develop a park boot, full tilt has park oriented boots aswell as Solomon, dalbello and nordica. There's no "development in the industry of a park boot" because there's no such thing as a park specific boot, that's like asking a mechanic to make your unicorn faster. Impossible. And the ski industry has stepped its game up for developing park oriented boots. Look how far boots have come in the last 10 years. Now your finding better liners, more durable materials and a lot more money going into boot development. Point and case, my spk, rubber toebox so it will flex if my toe slams into it when I land. You have different boot boards giving the foot more arch support but, so it doesnt hurt, there softer boot boards unlike a race boot which will be stiff for a more responsive feel. Nit onky that but my spk it has a little rubber pad ontop of the boot board to absorb shock from landing. A soft boot is recommended for park because it won't give u shin bang. Those are characteristics that park skiiers look for in a boot. On that note, go eat a bag of dicks. End of story
Aug 10 2012 7:08PM
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LC.
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"Park boot" == cool colours, x-games poster boys wearing them, and an ad campaign in Freeskier.

If it fits, it fits.
Aug 10 2012 7:29PM
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jfp
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Easy , no need for namecalling , you sir have a rediculous internet tough guy problem. take a deep breath, meditation perhaps, everything will be ok, i promise.

 if you read my comments thoroughly you would see i never once mentioned a park boot. as for the atomic guy we have spoken numerous times in messaging and i fully respect his intelligence, however i still feel the ski boot industry needs a total reassesment. mostly because i personally have a size 14 aaa narrow ass foot and options are pathetically limited. full customization is the future imho, if you don't like my opinion that is ok.

Aug 10 2012 8:03PM
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Gmart
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i dont have an internet tough guy problem and i dont claim to be a tough guy, exact opposite. But i have no problem calling you out. Just because you cant FIND a boot that fits your foot dont blame the ski industry. There are plenty of boots that go up to a 31. Salomon has a 360 custom shell coming out this season. Go to a boot fitter and talk to someone with half a brain.
Aug 10 2012 8:50PM
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jfp
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been to some of the best bootfitters in my region, done the surefoot thing twice over and have done the daleboot thing, all FAIL to reach a resolution, there is always a problem no matter what and thank you for telling me about this salomon boot, i will check it out, but you really gotta tone down your attitude man, we are talking about ski boots not mma fights.
Aug 10 2012 8:53PM
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ALaw
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this
Aug 10 2012 10:45PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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The only thing I can imagine seeing in any "freeride oriented" boots is better overlap where the plastic meets on the lower half of the shell to stop snow from getting in...Ive had that issue with every boot ive owned...but that may just be my foot.

Other than that, the vibram soles, tougher plastic, nice flex, etc has been covered by almost all companies
Aug 10 2012 11:53PM
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Gmart
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Sure foot and foam injection have to be done properly. Trust me. They work there just a pain in the ass to get dialed in.
Aug 11 2012 1:47AM
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tripnip
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OP, ar you going from a race lange? like something between a 120- 130? or one of their free ride models? because if you go from directly the race to the full tilts your gonna have to change your style unless you get a "10" flex in full tilt. if you go with like t-walls or something it will feel like you are skiing in a pair of laced up dunks. i went from a 130 flex racing boot to a Seth Morrison which is a 10 flex, now it took a few days to get used to but you will never go back once you break them in.
Aug 11 2012 12:01PM
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PDMN_
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Yeah I'm on like a modified race boot if you get me? I got them custom fitted because I didn't want to buy freestyle boots on-line and the nearest freestyle shop is about 4 hours away!
Aug 11 2012 5:01PM
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jfp
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What I would like to see is in shop shell injection. A massive series of measuremeants like the ones daleboot does, than the shop tech goes in and puts all the coordinates into a machine that injects a mold specifically for each persons individul foot, full color scheme and graphic otions left up to the customer, a variety of interchangeable flex patterns like dalbellos different tongues, a massive variety of liner choices, rubber soles of different varieties etc etc.

 Daleboot has it pretty close but the over riveting of multiple parts slapped and folded together leads to a tinker toy boot with a pretty shitty liner. It's gumball machine quality.

there needs to be more boot manufacturers and more competition like there is curently in skis. Some will survive some will not, the monopoly of full tilt must end. just my 2 cents. like it or not, its just how i feel.

Aug 11 2012 9:27PM
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tomPietrowski
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@paddyK, you are in the lucky postion that you have some of the best boot fitting shops at your disposal in the UK. Your best bet is castleford Ellis Brigham. They have some of the best boot fitters in the country there. Also you can get there on the train and have a day skiing too. Go on a thursday or friday and you can hit the park in the evening.

Boot wise just let the fitters there asses your feet and pick the best boot, liner footbed combo for you. Dont forget to also take your skis so you can get your bindings set to the new boot.
Aug 12 2012 12:13PM
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snakerton
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what langes did you have?
Aug 12 2012 1:04PM
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Caleb.E
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you my friend are a retard.... go look at any old racing picture.... gues what there wearing... raichles...or as now they are full tilts
Aug 12 2012 1:41PM
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PDMN_
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Banshee pros
Aug 12 2012 2:03PM
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.cam.
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And if you can show me any fis racer in the last 20 years riding raichles or full tilts id say you are right however full tilts lack the power transmission to effectively drive a ski the way many of those skiers need. They aren't a modern day race boot. This is like me telling you to get a pair of 70s mogul skis because they used to be the best skis for "freestyle"
Aug 12 2012 3:00PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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20 years would be hard, but before that during Bill Johnsons era you would notice a TON of speed skiers used them. Skiing was different back then anyway. It was primarily hip/upper leg driven, not ankle and lower leg like it is now. Those old skis are fricking hard to ski.
Aug 12 2012 3:27PM
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.cam.
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That's sort of my point though is that full tilts just aren't the best tool for the job anymore. I am not saying they aren't good boots, I am just saying that they wouldnt' be raceboots anymore
Aug 12 2012 5:43PM
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onenerdykid
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This is the shitty about anything involving with money, 3 scary words called "Return On Investment". Whenever you borrow money for any endeavor, whether it be making ski boot molds or taking out a small business loan, the people you borrow the money from want a return on their investment. So when launching a new ski boot project, it usually is a minimum 1.5 million Euro investment (compared to launching a new ski project which is about 10% of that). So with that heavy of a loan looming over you, ski boot companies need to maximize how many people they can reach and unfortunately the percentage of people with your foot shape is so small that no company will risk repaying that kind of debt, and then trying to make money from it.

It would be like you asking to take out a small business loan for 1.5 million Euros and trying to explain to the bank that your target audience is 1% of the market. They would deny you the loan immediately.

So, as long as it involves large amounts of money to make ski boots, all manufacturers will be handcuffed in their development. I won't say it is impossible that things will change, but it will take some clever engineering. Perhaps something is already in the works ;)
Aug 13 2012 5:46AM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Oh yeah no way would they be able to flex a 191 ski anymore, let alone a 181. And forget slalom....thats not even worth it.

I thought you were implying they never worked
Aug 13 2012 8:50AM
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malibufishnsurf
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Technica race boots are the narrowest - that's why I use them.
Aug 14 2012 7:17PM
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jfp
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well than that is clarly understandable, but in the interm please point me somewhere that works!!
Aug 17 2012 12:03AM
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