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No it wasn't. That's not how I took it anyway. He said he was on base, that doesn't mean overseas, his entire post was about what the military does outside of its current overseas warfare operations. When he spoke of sacrificing time, etc. I took it as referring to aid outside of warfare, since that's what he said.
His comment about freedom of speech was also not about current operations-- at least I didn't take it that way. His comment was basically stating that we owe our freedoms to our military for actions both past and present. I really don't think he meant that she owes her freedom of speech to our current actions in Afghanistan.
omg. he said "i deserve just as much respect as they do." so I asked what he had done to earn respect.....
sigh
I don't think they're complaining. They're defending why soldiers deserve respect against people who say they don't.
Find me a soldier who begs for praise or vocally demands respect without it being challenged first.
Maybe they're all over the place, but from what I've seen, soldiers are humble.
but a shit ton of people do join the military for the benefits.
see granites posts as well.
Do you actually know what the laws are? What the contract states? You can't just quit the military.
I noticed you posted "for life"-- which obviously creates a cushion for your statement to not be contradicted, but I didn't say for life-- I just said that you may end up enlisting and then fighting for something you didn't know would arise, and you can't just quit.
I actually do not know all of the specifics, but I do know it's not easy to get out before you've upheld the details in whatever contract you signed.
and all I'm saying is that, yes, this is what I believe. I support everything our military does. They pledge their allegiance to the United States and it is up to us to steer them in the direction we believe is right.
If the military is involved in missions that I do not believe in, I point my finger at who is in office. Who is in office is up to U.S. citizens, so my finger is indirectly pointed at them. If I voted for, or did not put effort into influencing the vote against whoever is in office, I point the finger at myself.
The sacrifice goes beyond the time that soldiers spend and the things that they do while enlisted. For some, events that happen while serving will affect them for the rest of their lives, whether mentally, emotionally, or physically. I've seen what war can do to a man and it is not pretty. I feel it is something to be revered, honored, and respected.
I blame the government for the missing limbs of our vets, not them for volunteering.
Not saying that you disagree with everything in my post, just stating how I feel, which appears to be arguably different than your stance.
a soldier going against orders does not represent our military. they're no longer acting as a solider at that point, they're acting on their own accord. I don't think anyone would disagree with you there. I support the military, not the personal actions of everyone involved with the military.
Your argument makes sense in the sense that I know what you're saying. You're saying that one can either "not support the troops until they've proven they deserve support" or "support the troops until they've proven they don't deserve support." I guess you chose the former, I choose the latter?
and by supporting the military or the troops as a whole you're not supporting every individual soldier. You're supporting the missions of the United States and supporting the soldiers that adhere to their contract, mission and orders. When you say "I support the troops." The soldier out there who has gone against orders, has ill will, or has not honestly and dutifully fulfilled his responsibilities knows he isn't one of those you support. By saying you support the troops; I don't think anyone thinks you are including bad seeds.
omg. seriously? I didn't! my post says at the bottom that I'm not saying you disagree with everything in my post!
I'm sorry I didn't break my post up, separating my immediate response to you and my response to the conversation in general.
that's your opinion, i guess.
soldiers appreciate the support of their country.
exactly this.
Soldiers follow orders. It is not their fault if the orders given to them are not what is "right"-- that blame falls on someone else up the chain of command. In the military, in warfare, you follow orders or you die. Or go to jail.
I'm sorry I misspoke here. I do believe there is a difference between supporting the mission itself and supporting the troops. I meant supporting the military as a whole and not every action of every individual solider.
yes, i agree there are casualties. war is not pretty- it sucks.
thanks for clarifying I didn't understand your first post.
It's been said about 10+ times in here that the soldiers "weren't drafted, they volunteered."
You know, if no one volunteered to be in the military, there would be a draft.
