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Lol... Mumbles Menino, you are the man. I'd hug you if you didn't look like Mush from A Bronx Tale.
I say it's fantastic. Take your hate agenda and gtfo!
Please PLEASE actually read this and stop dancing around what I've said at least a half dozen times in this thread.
It's not your belief anyone has a problem with. You're 100% entitled to hate whoever you want if that's your perogative. It's when that belief goes beyond your own life in an attempt to remove a very basic legal right from another group of human beings because they do not share your religious beliefs. See, when you force your religious values on others by power of law, that is the very definition of religious persecution but no Christian Fundamentalist seems to want to recognize or discuss that. How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot and we had a large Muslim population that was trying to push through Sharia law, forcing women to cover all but their eyes and make you pray towards Mecca when you aren't Muslim? Would you be freaking out? I bet you would. It's the same thing except we're white and Christian instead of olive and Muslim. Religious law never works. It's the polar opposite of religious freedom, which is what we enjoy in this country.
Does this make sense to you? I'm specifically directing this question towards you since nobody else on that side of the argument seems willing to talk logic and actually debate on fully articulated points- they're just going down the page, picking the weakest link and pounding away with crap rhetoric. I'm really hoping you're able to articulate yourself on this matter, because I'm really trying to identify with avalid argument whose opinion differs from mine so I can be fully objective in my feelings about it. So please. Hook it up.
I'm begging everyone. SOMEONE make a well thought out argument against what I've said above in regards to LEGAL rights to marriage to gays NOT RELIGIOUS RIGHTS and why you feel that religious persecution is ok OTHER THAN that you happen to agree with the current parameters it is suggesting. Please.
Seriously, failure for any of you guys that disagree with me to actually refute and discuss real points in this^ post is an admission that there is no logic to your argument, only emotional outrage- which is a wholly undeserving reason by which to rob free Americans of their protected rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
I'll step in here with a brief aside that doesn't really contribute to the discussion:
This from TSN this morning: Boston Bruins goaltender Tim Thomas made another political statement on his Facebook page on Thursday, supporting American sandwich chain Chick-fil-A.
The chain's owner Dan Cathy, has drawn plenty of backlash for funding organizations fighting same-sex marriage and was recently quoted saying he supported, "the biblical definition of the family unit."
"I stand with Chick-fil-A," wrote Thomas on his Facebook account.
"Chick-fil-A is privately owned by the Cathy family. The company president, Dan Cathy, drew the wrath of gay rights advocates and supporters when he made recent statements that some have alleged are anti-gay. Cathy told Baptist Press that the company was unapologetically in favor of traditional marriage. 'Guilty as charged,' he said. 'We are very much supportive of the family - the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.' In a separate interview on the Ken Coleman Show - Cathy suggested that the nation could face God's wrath over the redefinition of marriage. I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage,' Cathy said. 'I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we would have the audacity to try to redefine what marriage is all about.'"
It's not the first time that Thomas has gone under the spotlight for making political statements. He was at the centre of controversy this past winter when he opted not to appear at the Bruins' White House visit hosted by U.S. president Barack Obama.
Thomas later explained his actions on his Facebook page and cancelled any media scrums if a question was asked regarding the incident.
Thomas, who already announced that he's taking a year off from playing hockey, has one year left on his current contract with the Bruins, which carries a $5 million cap hit for the 2012-13 season.
The 38-year-old went 35-19-1 with a 2.36 goals-against average and a .920 save percentage this past season. In the playoffs, he had a 2.14 GAA and a .923 save percentage. Boston lost in seven games to Washington in the first round.
Thomas won the 2009 and 2011 Vezina Trophy, and has a 196-121-45 record and 2.48 GAA in 378 career games with the Bruins. In 50 postseason games, he holds a 29-21 mark with a 2.07 GAA. He also won the 2011 Conn Smythe Trophy after leading Boston to its first Stanley Cup title since 1972.
Thomas's statement comes just months after teammate Zdeno Chara recorded a PSA for the You Can Play project and after Shawn Thornton said he would support a gay teammate.
"He isn't playing next year, which means he's not my teammate," a Bruins player who wished to be anonymous told WEEI.com. "Which means I don't have to react to his Facebook posts."
Well that was retarded. Thanks for dancing around the actual questions in the post and copypasta'ing things that have nothing to do with the actual fucking question I asked you. AGAIN.
Just go away if you can't follow simple directions or answer simple questions like I asked. It's clear to me now that you have no intentions of coming up with a logical argument using rational examples and logic, so just fuck off now if you don't mind. Clearly you have nothing of worth to add to this discussion and that means you either don't understand how to or you just realized your stance has no logical basis from which to argue a point.
Either way, you give the impression of being a child's mind trying to articulate itself on very grown-up issues. Maybe come back once you live out in the real world for a while??
Thank Christ. Finally, someone makes an apttempt. A weak one, but it's still an attempt.
So does the church handles all that taxation, insurance and estate legality issues? No. That's the government's job and as you mentioned, tax and insurance benefits are a LEGAL matter and regulated by the government. This is the distinction you're missing. It's not up to the church who gets a tax break, is a default beneficiary or gets shared insurance benefits in a domestic partnership. You kind of have it backwards since the church designation of marriage literally does nothing for a couple without the legal rights that come with it, and nobody wants the religious marriage part, they just want the legal stuff so what's the big deal???
The fact that it disgusts you means nothing either. It's a personal belief you're entitled to of course, but your level of disdain for others' expression of love shouldn't have any bearing on the legal rights of others.
Just one actual question for you and then I'm done- How would stripping the rights of the free Americans currently allowed by law to be married in a same-sex couple NOT be a direct violation of the first amendment of the Constitution and the very first section of the Bill of Rights, which protect our freedoms against others' religious beliefs being forced on us?
How many guys did your mom fuck before she married your dad? I bet you're disgusted with her too since she's an adulterous harlot, right? You saving yourself for marriage too brah? I bet you are.
You. Are. A. Joke.
Oh, so a direct violation of the 10 commandments is cool when it's straight people but when it's for gays it's an abomination? I'll guarantee you aren't disgusted with your adulterous heathen friends' promiscuity, right? But but but... What about what the bible says about that??? You saving yourself for marriage too? I figured as much lol...
Just like Jibjunkie, you want to control everyone but yourself. I find that beyond laughable. You guys think of yourselves as being on some moral high ground when you're no less sinner than any cum-hungry power bottom.
No, I asked you how even-handed your overwhelming drive for piousness is, no need to lose your mind unless I just proved you're full of shit... Oh wait... That just happened. Sorry about that I guess?
How dare I make you examine your beliefs unilaterally! RAWR!
Right??
"Much deeper"??? Does that mean he'd actually answer a question rather than lose his shit and freak out? Lol... Yeah probably not. The only thing he's going much deeper in is denial.
^^ Not saying he had much logic to begin with. But thats the point: You can't tell jack about a person from profile pictures
