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The goal of science is not to prove religion wrong.
Also-- religion has to do with a lot more than creationism.
If there is no God, then all that exists is time and chance acting on matter. If this is true then the difference between your thoughts and mine correspond to the difference between shaking up a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper. You simply fizz atheistically and I fizz theistically. This means that you do not hold to atheism because it is true , but rather because of a series of chemical reactions… … Morality, tragedy, and sorrow are equally evanescent. They are all empty sensations created by the chemical reactions of the brain, in turn created by too much pizza the night before. If there is no God, then all abstractions are chemical epiphenomena, like swamp gas over fetid water. This means that we have no reason for assigning truth and falsity to the chemical fizz we call reasoning or right and wrong to the irrational reaction we call morality. If no God, mankind is a set of bi-pedal carbon units of mostly water. And nothing else.
Douglas WilsonHe didn't say it was bad-- some of you seemed to miss the point of the post entirely. The point is that for atheists, you can't assign "true" or "false" to meaningless fizz in the brain. Therefore your idea that God doesn't exist is no different than my idea that God does. There is no point in arguing God's existence for an atheist. You are not "right" about anything.
However, for those that believe in God, thoughts are not meaningless fizz for us because we believe in a higher being-- we are able to make sense of morality, tragedy, sorrow, love, faith, sympathy, empathy-- that these things are real, and mean something.
And when love is real for you, and you aren't detached from it, assigning it to meaningless reactions in the brain-- life can be more rich, enjoyable and fulfilling.
"the saddest moment in the life of an atheist is being extremely greatful but having nothing or no one to thank."
My question for all of you who are extremely opinionated to the point of just being mean about religion-- what will you do if you fall in love with a woman who is religious? Oh that's right...love is meaningless.
Quite possibly one of the most pathetic things I've seen posted by a member of the Christian cult here on NS, and that's saying something.
Ok snobunny, I'll explain.
First of all, you demean neuroscience/thought processes down to "meaningless fizz in the brain". I challenge you to find a credible scientist who uses this terminology, or a prominent atheist for that matter.
Your second point reeks of religious arrogance, where you throw in that classic non-sequitur that goes along the lines of "I believe in God, therefore only now can I know love/empathy/morality etc". Many atheists believe that these traits are innate within us humans, and that you don't need some crusty old book full of outrageous commands (ie. stone homosexuals) to tell you otherwise. Do you stop yourself from killing your neighbour because, deep down, you know it's wrong? Or because a god is ordering you not to??
Your third point is so banal it's not even worth commenting on.
As for atheists having 'no one to thank', what about the Universe itself? Or the Laws that govern it? I've personally never felt sad about having 'no one' to thank for a nice day or a stroke of luck. I'll give you a quote to ponder in response: "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"
And finally, I come to your last point. What I found pathetic about this was that you tried to ask atheists a legitimate question, but then couldn't quite restrain yourself from having another dig. Where have you gotten the idea that atheists say that love is meaningless, snobunny?
You need to re-read the thread. Everything I wrote in that post was explaining the quote from above.
It wasn't a dig, it's part of the quote that I was explaining, that many had already said they agreed with. Again, please read the full thread.
I worked in a neuroscience lab for a little over a year, I understand pretty decently how the brain works. It is an absolutely unbelievable thing, and that along with the eyes is really what makes it hard for me to believe all of this happened by chance.
I have another question for you though. Why is murder wrong? Like my previous points, all murder is doing is changing one set of chemical reactions into another, so naturally whats the problem with it? Why do we all not practice caniballism? Really all you are doing is recycling someones body instead of a worm or bacteria. Why is that so wrong? At the basis of your argument, all we are is chemical reactions, so really why are our lives any more important than anything else? All of that learning that you spent 12 years of your life, and maybe more doing is only training your brain to ignore/block some pathways and allow some other to exist, really whats the point? If all we are is giant super computers that analyze data and spit out reactions, isn't that kind of an empty existance?
Also, why do you dislike religious people so much? All thats different between me and you is a couple of neuronal pathways, and my neuronal pathways have happened to come to a different conclusion than yours, so whats the problem there?