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Remounting 10/11 Ace of Spades? Atomic team ffg 14 bindings

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-Robert
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My AoS have only been mounted once and I want to remount them with another pair of bindings. They are mounted with Salomon z12 or z11 bindings at dead center and I wanted to remount them with Marker Griffon. My dad is worried that mounting my skis a second time will weaken the ski a considerable amount and he doesnt think its worth it to get a remount. I dont think its bad to remount my skis again because it's only the second time. I want to know what you guys think about getting them remounted? Is a good idea or not and how far back would the griffons have to be mounted from dead center because of the first mount. Thanks

This is a far shot but if anyone reading this has a pair of 177 Ace of Spades from the 2010/2011season in pretty good condition( or brand new) let me know if youre willing to trade/ sell. I doubt it tho but my 170 are getting alittle small so I thought I'd give it a chance.

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This thread is supposed to be about remounting the AoS and want to keep the topic mostly on that buttttt..........If anyone knows anything about the Atomic team ffg 14 bindings, like durability and performance AND if they can fit on the Ninthward Butterlicious 05/06 skis I would reward you soooooo much karma haha. I really need some advice and recommendations and I figured making 1 thread would be best. PLEASE HELP ME OUT!!!!

Jun 21 2012 12:09PM
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-Robert
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When i was buying the marker griffon bindings, it said that they only fit on a ski with a 76mm waist or bigger.....Thats why I wondered.
Jun 21 2012 1:04PM
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tomPietrowski
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You can mount skis multiply times, but usually with the same mount pattern.

There is a chance the griffions holes will conflict with the Z12, so you may have to move the mount position.

Personally what I would do, is look for a STH 12/14 driver.

That way, you only need to fill one hole on each ski, and only 3 new ones on each ski would be drilled, all the rest of the holes could be reused.

You could always get a FFG 14 or a STH 12 OS and only 1extra hole would be needed and no filling, but you would be stuck with the oversize Toe rather then the driver.

If I were you Id get a STH driver.
Jun 21 2012 1:30PM
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NWlife.
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ive got this years atomic ffg 14 bindings and they are amazing. they look dope and are durable as hell. ive got them mounted on my bent chetlers and they have not given me any problems. easy din adjustablilty and i would reccomend them to anyone. if they can handle big backcountry skis im sure they would hold up fine on whatever your mounting them on
Jun 21 2012 1:30PM
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-Robert
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What do you mean by an oversized toe piece?
Jun 21 2012 2:05PM
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snakerton
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yeah you can mount em like 2 more times
Jun 21 2012 2:34PM
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tomPietrowski
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The oversize toe which is used on the FFG 14 (this season) and the STH 12 OS, is basically a beffy version of the Z12 toe you had. It is stronger then the standard z toe but not as strong or adjustable as the driver toe.

But the Z toe uses the same mount patern as the bindings you had on there, so you could use the same holes. The FFG 14 and STH 12 OS also use a heel with the same hole pattern as your Z12 with 1 extra hole.

So if you buy a FFG 14 or a STH 12 OS you can use the same holes and only need one new one drilling.
Jun 21 2012 3:04PM
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rozboon
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A couple of things to consider here...

The AoS is symmetrical, so you probably don't want to shift the mount point as mounting them at anything other than dead centre would be very odd.

Therefore, if the holes for your new mount are too close to the old ones for it to be structurally safe, you're a bit stuffed.

On the flip side, the AoS has a filthy great layer of metal just under the topsheet, so you may have a little more leeway than usual for mounting near existing holes.

All of that said, I don't know why you would bother going from a Z12 to a Griffon. They're very similar bindings, performance-wise. I'd be going to a STH14 Driver/Atomic FFG 14 Team as you'd get a much better binding and the mounting holes should be fairly similar, as people have covered.

Jun 21 2012 8:38PM
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-Robert
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^^ alright thanks, but I know my AoS arent symmetrical.....they are like 121-85-110 or something like that. But it looks like I'm just going to be keeping my current bindings on my AoS. Thanks for the help guys +k to all.
Jun 21 2012 10:32PM
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rozboon
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Only the 163cm 11/12 AoS is asymmetrical. Everything from 170cm up is 113-86-113.
Jun 21 2012 11:25PM
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-Robert
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I must have got a special pair then cuz mine aren't. Haha
Jun 21 2012 11:34PM
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DonNut
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The 10/11 170cm was still not symmetric (it has the same measures as the Dead Money, just one more Ti-layer to make it beefier). They changed it in 11/12 but under 170 it was still the same sidecut as DM
Jun 25 2012 6:28AM
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mr_hartl
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Umm False... The Ace of Spades has always been symmetrical in the adult models. Having owned every model since its early release in 2009 that has always been what separated it from the dead money. that and the Ti. And the Dead money doesn't have any metal to begin with.

Robert - the only explanation i have for your ski, if it is indeed a asymmetrical... is that it was a "graphic demo ski" where they didn't actually have the ski built yet but they were testing different graphics to see what it would look like on a ski. the only other brand I've seen do that is K2 though.
Jul 19 2012 8:31PM
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-Robert
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Is it a good or bad thing that they are a graphic demo ski?
Jul 20 2012 10:04PM
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DrZoidberg
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Well if they are symmetric then you could mount them backwards and possibly avoid hole conflicts.
Jul 20 2012 11:21PM
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-Robert
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They are not symmetrical
Jul 20 2012 11:38PM
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mr_hartl
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alright guys... so i need to applogize for thinking that i know everything... cause i dont. looked into it further and here are words from the rep himself.

"yes the 170 length in the ace of spades is a directional ski, comes out of the dead money mold except has metal. It was meant to be a transitional ski from the dead money in shorter lengths no metal to ace with metal directional to ace symetrical to new ace competition."
i hope you all forgive me for being so bold and so wrong.
Jul 21 2012 3:12PM
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rozboon
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I'm so confused... I've skied the 170s and that pair was symmetrical.

And everywhere I've read says they're symmetrical. No idea.

Jul 22 2012 8:00PM
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mr_hartl
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i know... i was shocked also... it was only that first season where they had the directional 170
Jul 23 2012 6:01PM
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