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Back in high school, some guy tipped me and my friend $20 each, just for loading a new TV into his vehicle. That guy will always have a special place in my heart. Pause.
I think he was trying to impress the super hot babe he was with, but hey I'm okay with that.
But, like was said, bartenders make 2 bucks an hour before tips. You say fight for better wages, why? They make plenty of money because it is expected to tip. Tipping is a way of quality control for bartenders/servers. If you are getting exceptionally bad service, don't tip. It makes bartenders do a good job.
In the US
Normal service=tip, because they are doing their job, and deserve to be paid. Everywhere else in the world bartenders/servers get paid more and the customer ends up paying for it in higher prices. You end up paying more even if the bartender/server is absolute shit.
But then you end up in this infinite loop of people trying to please you, and that's just fucking awkward. With the barista example, I'd rather have someone make me a coffee, I smile or don't, he/she smiles or doesn't, product is delivered either way and paid for. What on Earth could a barista do to me to warrant a tip?
You say why fight because it's expected to tip, yet in other threads people have gotten butthurt if someone is against tips. That's why I say fight for some fucking rights and money. Even in countries without tip culture people still tip from time to time, but it's not expected or anticipated, a lot of people are genuinely surprised and happy around here when they get a tip, but it's not mandatory and definitely doesn't affect the quality of service.
If I am going out to a bar and paying for drinks I expect the bartender to be trying to please me. Since I control their pay in the states, it forces them to continuously try to please the customer. Most baristas here are paid at least minimum, and rarely get tips. Most people who are against tipping aren't from the US, and the people who get upset over not tipping are generally from the US. If you were in the US would you tip? When a beer is $4 instead of $7?
And of course tipping affects quality of service, regardless of where you are in the world. Especially where tipping is less expected, I would think bartenders/servers would treat good tippers better.
But in the US, quality of service also affects tipping, which I think is a good thing. It makes the customer the boss to an extent.
If you're not returning to an establishment, or happening on the same taxi driver etc. what do you gain from tipping? That's what I'm going for here and have yet to get a good example or explanation.
And this sentence struck out to me as a "What the fuck?" Isn't that a bit age-old, lived style of living, expecting a server to continuously please you? Sure, there's a niche for it, especially in Japan, but it's hard to imagine something like this going on in a modern Western country day to day.
set the scene: i was at a bar, it was early, the bartender was sort of a jerk (i think i was pissed at him for some reason but dont remember what for so who knows), i was in a 'dont really give a shit plus im drunk' sort of mood.
so i got my pitcher and was going to walk away w/o tipping. the bartender sees whats gonna happen and fkn shouts at me, fucking loud too. HEY WHERES MY FUCKING TIP.
i mean, looking back at it i should have given him a couple bucks since it was a whole pitcher. but he wasnt a good bartender and i had already tipped him well on my earlier drinks. but really it doesnt matter, yelling at me is completely offside. i ended up giving him a loonie but fuck man thats lame!
and yeah shawn white who cares, that girl isnt even that good looking and white is pretty cool anyways so im not surprised
To your first post, tipping well on the first drink makes the bartender come to me faster etc...
And I don't get how that is a what the fuck statement? When I am serving someone behind the bar of course I am constantly trying to please them, that is my job. If they aren't pleased then why would they come back? Maybe we have a different idea of what that means. What I am saying is that you are friendly to the customer, give fast service, and if something is wrong you fix it. Basically it means don't leave me waiting at the bar while you finish sending that text to your friend, or are chatting with the other bartenders. In the hospitality/service industry that is all you are getting paid to do, please people. Whether it is serving them drinks or checking them in at a hotel, the goal is to please.
Yeah, that's all I'm getting to, do your job if you're in the service industry. I've never seen anyone text their friends while on the job nor have I ever seen anyone call someone on the job unless it was acute - definitely not in the middle of a business venture i.e. serving the people you're paid to serve.
This tipping thing once again sounds like some weird wntitled bullshit: "Hey, I'll give you $50 if you serve me faster than that guy, cheers!" That kind of bullshit that is straight fucked up and not complacent in modern society, yet it keeps prevailing.
If someone isn't doing their job right, they shouldn't miss tips - they'll be fired! And alas, even with tips out of the question, those who choose,/want/fall into the service areas can either suck it up or do their fucking jobs.
I agree with pretty much everything your saying, and the last pro-tipping thing I will say is that it makes your work equal your pay. So at the bar I work at now there are four bartenders on Friday/Saturday nights. One bartender does 60% of the sales, while the other 3 do about 40%. On St. Patricks day (work in an Irish bar) he served more than the other 7 bartenders combined. In NZ, just about no one tips, and he makes the exact same as everyone else, but does more than twice the work of anyone else.
All I'm going to say, is that if all you had to do is pull a lever or twist off a cap, you're not getting a tip. That 10 seconds of work does not deserve and special gift.
Also, to those of you who feel the need to leave a $2 tip on $1 beer night....that blonde bartender who's squeezing her tits together while leaning over the bar, saw you coming from MILES away. You sir, are a sucker.