those gloves are aight, but you want these bitches for cold days. honestly, they are just as warm as the par of POC padded racing gloves I have and run you about $20. For days you need an extra pair, or just when you dont want to fuck up your nice gloves, these are the jam
http://www.kinco.com/products.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images.tpl&product_id=43&category_id=4