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Soo America hates North Carolina?

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penguiin
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I live in NC and we just passed an amendment that doesn't allow gay marriage. now "dear north carolina" is trending on twitter and most tweets say we are the most hated state in America now. thoughts?
May 8 2012 11:29PM
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Banjo
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May 9 2012 3:10PM
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Mr.Sloth
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hurp durp dee doo

yes they do

May 9 2012 3:32PM
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bweld123
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Homosexuals marrying each other. Ha. Like black people not having to wear white gloves
May 9 2012 3:36PM
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Huck_Norris
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America hated NC before this.  Hell, NC hates NC. 

But there's good news!  Maybe this will incite all the bigoted asshats in other states to uproot and head to this gay-free bastion of morality and piousness...  You know, because gay people was clearly NC's biggest problem.  Yuuuuup. 

May 9 2012 3:46PM
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penguiin
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you live in Winston? nice I live like 30 minutes away, I'm in statesville.

but anyways on topic...

the state held a vote for an amendment that brought some religious views into perspective. any state that is majority christian is going to vote based on the majority religious beliefs because well, they are the majority, that is just the way it is, it's there opinion so they have the right as an American citizen to believe in what they want for vote for it. it can be said the other way around as well. states that are majority not religious are probably going to pass laws based on the beliefs of non religious people, it's just the way it is, always has been and always will be.
May 9 2012 3:51PM
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Bear_Grylls
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boom 

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/09/11621156-obama-i-think-same-sex-couples-should-be-able-to-get-married?lite
May 9 2012 3:52PM
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pbandj
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OH SHIT OH SHIT. Barrack is going to make shit happen... maybe... But if he is re-elected i definitely see it as a topic he will try to fix. but only if he gets re-elected.
May 9 2012 3:59PM
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DrZoidberg
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Well Obama probably just lost most of the south's and conservatives votes, if he had any of them to begin with.
May 9 2012 4:01PM
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pbandj
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which he didn't because he's an arab born in another country in their minds.
May 9 2012 4:02PM
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elemeno89
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May 9 2012 4:42PM
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skia4life89
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None of you give two shits about gays and human rights, your just a bunch of hipsters who like to rebel everything because you feel like you have something to prove and its the cool thing to do. This country was based on Christianity, if you don't like it, you can leave. No one is stopping you I promise. Stop making Facebook status about it and stop bitching about it. The amendment passed, get the fuck over it you fucking hippy wannabees.
May 9 2012 5:39PM
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artfullydodged
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Even jesus is ashamed of your stupidity
May 9 2012 5:50PM
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Piste.Off
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This country was also founded on slavery, which the Bible said was totally cool. American treated african americans as second class citizens that don't deserve equal rights, similar to how gay people are treated today. I think we can all agree that the Bible got slavery wrong. So what are the chances the Bible is also wrong about gay marriage?
May 9 2012 5:51PM
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Dr.Gonzo
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fun fact: i dont live in your messed up country, i never will either, because its the loosest of buttholes ever. that is all, so please, go fuck yourself with a cactus.
May 9 2012 5:58PM
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sir_drums_a_lot
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THIS

why can't people simply respect other's opinions?  Props to people that think that gay marriage should be legal because they see gay couples as equals, and props to people who are against gay marriage due to their faith because they're doing and saying what they believe in.

May 9 2012 6:06PM
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PON3
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I would say there are more states people hate more than North Carolina. Last time I checked where I live people dont like it too much.
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I come from the most bigoted state, and it proves it because I have the phelps family living here. They have actually picketed the church that I go to. I hate this state and cant wait to move out to Colorado.
May 9 2012 6:14PM
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Abu_Hajaar
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This is horrible. If you are against gay marriage then DON'T MARRY SOMEONE OF THE SAME SEX simple as that. if you're gay you're gay; if you're straight you're straight.
May 9 2012 6:16PM
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shibby
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someone should make a Keanu meme "what if NC banned gay marriage...so that it could be set a SCOTUS precedent nation wide". would also work with the Tyler Durden one.
May 9 2012 6:21PM
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simuhn
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true that. who's to tell people how to live or how to love. let homosexual people do whatever the fuck they want because it doesn't affect you unless you let it. screw religions that teach otherwise
May 9 2012 6:23PM
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roddy116
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north carolina had gay marriage legal first?
May 9 2012 6:23PM
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artfullydodged
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What if I said you cant post in this thread becuase youre (presumably) a drummer? Would you respect that opinion? Because its basically the same as people saying gays cant marry because they're gay.
May 9 2012 6:25PM
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roddy116
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well that hating on someone elses opinion, so your not respecting his opinion, so there fore your not giving respect to his opinion, and that is he does not respect your opinion or you.
May 9 2012 6:26PM
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GayWolf420
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It's definitely based around religion. They do a good job of saying its not, but it is.
May 9 2012 6:29PM
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artfullydodged
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No, being a drummer is part of his identity, not his opinion.
May 9 2012 6:29PM
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roddy116
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well im not exactly sure what drummer means, but he didnt really give an opinion
May 9 2012 6:30PM
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yeah but, he can liek choose not to be a drummer, that's like his choice man.
May 9 2012 6:32PM
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84891jnf92048
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The first record of a possible homosexual couple was in 2400 BCE. 4400 years, that's a hell of a fad.

Confused as to why their parents are in a homosexual relationship? I think that one's pretty easy to figure out: because they love each other.

You dont "think from a scientific standpoint". You can think, or you can back it with science. So where is the evidence you have to show that it's not human nature? My evidence to show that it IS human nature is AT LEAST 4400 years of humans being in homosexual relationships.
May 9 2012 6:34PM
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shibby
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ahhh like the NC retard you quoted hiding behind the stronghold of "opinion". opinions can be factually wrong, stupid, ignorant, and in this case constitutionally illegal.

if all your friends are of the opinion that you should jump off a bridge will you do it?
May 9 2012 6:38PM
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penguiin
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not trying to get in a religious argument here but..

1) kind of hard to have absolutely 0 influence on the way the country is run when our country was founded on it and it's in our documents

2)everything you mentioned was in the old testament and are not required to be followed anymore by christians.

just wanted to point that out...
May 9 2012 6:49PM
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our country was founded by people fleeing religious persecution.
May 9 2012 6:52PM
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artfullydodged
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May 9 2012 6:53PM
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shibby
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this is where you need to source your shit. i am not american but as far as i know there is almost NO mention of religion in the constitution or the bill of rights except the FIRST ammendment

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
May 9 2012 6:55PM
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sherwood4099
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Ding ding ding. Government shouldn't be involved at all it should be a private legal matter when it comes to finances, assets etc and taxes shouldn't be involved at all. If the government wasn't involved we wouldnt even be having the gay marriage debate because it's not illegal to love, live with, fuck or have children as a same sex couple so they would be able to enjoy everything heterosexual couples do with out having to ask anyone's permission
May 9 2012 6:55PM
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artfullydodged
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"Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances"

That's the first amendment. This country was not founded on Christianity. I cannot fucking comprehend how many people don't understand that.
May 9 2012 6:59PM
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k-fred
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hahaha this
May 9 2012 7:00PM
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penguiin
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yes...but it was founded on christianity still, ever read the declaration of independence?

first line... "We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

creator=God

many other examples as well

link... http://www.aproundtable.org/issues.cfm?issuecode=history
May 9 2012 7:02PM
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84891jnf92048
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I.... i can't even.... you..... you just used a passage that gives people UNALIENABLE RIGHTS to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which not allowing gay marriage is most certainly obstructing, to try to prove why gay marriage shouldn't be legal..........

I'm sort of in between enraged, bewildered, and sorry for you.
May 9 2012 7:05PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism#Deism_in_the_United_States
May 9 2012 7:05PM
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penguiin
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http://www.aproundtable.org/issues.cfm?issuecode=history

just read...and quit trying to deny the fact it wasn't founded on it, obviously now it's not run on christianity but when it started you can't deny it
May 9 2012 7:06PM
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penguiin
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you missed the word "certain" unalienable rights, that were endowed by a creator (god), and the creator doesn't allow gay marriage...so a country founded on rights that god sees fit does not include gays...

just think through before you go off posting what you think something said
May 9 2012 7:10PM
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selkirks
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not trying to get in a religious argument here but..

1) kind of hard to have absolutely 0 influence on the way the country is run when our country was founded on it and it's in our documents
Our nation was founded on the fundamental truths of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (changed from "property" under John Locke's estimation). It was not founded by religious people. It was founded by Deists (Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington...all Deists). They believed in a clockmaker god who set the Universe in motion, but didn't take an active role in daily life. So no predestination, salvation, etc. At least in their minds.

2)everything you mentioned was in the old testament and are not required to be followed anymore by christians.
Nothing has to be followed by Christians. That doesn't make sense. If anything had to be followed, that would undermine the Christian idea of free will. Besides, the Old Testament is still relevant, and many extremist Christians do place the basis of their beliefs on it. Is it unfair to cite? Probably. But then you cannot cite it either. Where in the New Testament is a "right to marry" specifically defined as "belonging only to a man and a woman engaging in a heterosexual relationship with the intention to procreate"?

This is totally disregarding the fact that we're referring here to legal matrimony. Not religious matrimony. Religion is not a part of this; Churches would still be totally free to disregard or refuse to recognize same-sex marriage. That's protected under the First Amendment's "free exercise" clause. We're talking here about legal matrimony, which is very different and has very different purposes. Its purpose is to establish certain tax and visitation benefits, as well as adoption procedures and other things. Nothing do do with procreation whatsoever.

We simply cannot utilize religion when adjudicating our laws. It's a violation of the First Amendment "establishment" clause, barring the "establishment" of a religion. The moment we adopt laws that define marriage on the basis of a religious argument, we have violated the Constitution of the United States of America.

Thus, religion is not a part of this argument.

just wanted to point that out...

So, in conclusion, perhaps we need to define our terms here...

Religious Matrimony is issued by Churches and only by Churches. It is the exercise of the idea that a man and a woman wed in order to procreate. It is a mutual, loving commitment.

Legal Matrimony is issued by the State and only by the State. It is the exercise of the idea that two individuals wed in order to establish certain benefits. It is a mutual, loving commitment.

The two ideas are exclusive to one another. They do not intersect. And the issue at hand in the same-sex marriage debate is Legal Matrimony. Not Religious Matrimony.

Sorry to reply in bold. It as easier to embolden my text than his.
May 9 2012 7:13PM
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shibby
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lolretard, not only did you cite a symbolic non legally binding document but also one that claims ALL men are born equal.

oh and clearly in this case Creator is referring to the islamic god...inshah'Allah
May 9 2012 7:13PM
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HitTheJim
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Any legislation addressing marriage, gay or traditional, is unconstitutional. In terms of legality, New York is just as at fault as North Carolina. One's right to marriage should be handled exclusively by their religion. It's hypocritical to celebrate pro-gay marriage legislation and then condemn the neglect of separation of church and state when anti-gay marriage legislation is passed.
May 9 2012 7:16PM
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roddy116
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quoting selkirks

CHRISTIANS DONT FOLLOW THE OLD TESTAMENT?!?!
wtf, honestly what about the ten commandements, and how the world started and other stuff that i cant think of off the top of my head.
May 9 2012 7:18PM
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selkirks
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Creator: deist, clockmaker god who set the Universe into motion but didn't take an active role in daily life.

Inalienable Rights: Rights granted to humanity by the so-called Natural Law, which is God's revelation of self through his "eternal law," governed by the principles of Deism, not Christianity. Literally this means "in the absence of an active force (i.e. god), here are the rules which govern under natural conditions."

It's an expansion of John Locke's ideas. He believed that the "inalienable rights" included life, liberty, and property. The Framers then changed the last one to "the pursuit of happiness," because they wanted to allow slavery. True story.

It's not that difficult to understand. Deism. Not Christianity.

(And again, your argument doesn't make any sense, because by disallowing same-sex marriage, you are restricting "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." But still, go on.)
May 9 2012 7:19PM
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selkirks
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I was quoting someone else...although I suspect I might have to check my meter...
May 9 2012 7:20PM
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roddy116
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its gunna be a loooooonnnggg offf seasssoooonnnnn
May 9 2012 7:24PM
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this this this.
May 9 2012 7:26PM
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2_fadez
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This thread:

May 9 2012 7:30PM
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artfullydodged
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The word "Creator" is vague as fuck and in no way implies with any certainty that this so called creator is the christian god. Its written that way because we are free to practice whatever beliefs we wish here. I don't consider any of that evidence that this country was founded as a christian nation.

Besides, the declaration of independence is not a piece of legislature. Our laws our based on the Bill of Rights, which I've already quoted in this thread to support my argument.

May 9 2012 7:32PM
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