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jibmeisterflex
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Simple question, do you think there should be a death penalty? Why/why not?
May 8 2012 6:14PM
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minihef
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Ok, so a straightforward question for you. Are you so keen to see those people die rather than be imprisoned for life that you are willing to put up with the many imperfections and prejudices of the death penalty system as a whole?

It's been proven that an innocent person was killed because of the death penalty and studies also prove that the colour of the people involved's skin and their wealth/poverty has a significant effect on whether the death penalty is implemented in any given case. Are you ok putting up with those prejudices when it comes to government agencies taking a human life?

May 18 2012 2:29AM
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Sneaky_Aziz
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Well it would have to be proven that they did it first, otherwise we'd be just as bad as the murderer.
May 18 2012 4:05AM
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[hamnuts]
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I don't think so. Raping torturing and drugging a 16 yearold on video tape well laughing is most definetely NOT the same as wishing the convicted, monsterous, caught-on-tape individual to be dead. I think there is a HUGE fucking difference.
May 18 2012 4:15AM
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Phil-X-
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Honestly didnt read many posts in here, but this is mine-

Certain crimes are fucked up to the point where death is required.

Fuck using my hard earned money to pay for them to live on 3 meals a day with ac and heat for the rest of their lives.

Fuck using my money to fund all the shit behind lethal injection, which also fails on many occasions.

Use a simple hollow point round. And if you think thats too fucked up, use one of these

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May 18 2012 5:09AM
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scratchproteen
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didn't read a post in here...but i always thought a life of solitary confinement is 100 times worse than the death penalty.
May 18 2012 5:24AM
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Campeador
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Gladly.

Just like my friends serving over in Afghanistan who wipe the Taliban scum off the face of the Earth, fanatics that would take no greater joy than from slowly slicing you and your family's heads off. But it comforts me to know that there are caring individuals like yourself who would rather we treat them nice.

I'm going to assume you voted (or support) Obama, he's made it quite a habit to carry out "disciplinary measures" against Al Qaeda targets in Yemen by way of predator drone. Seems he has the will to kill people for their crimes, what a bloodthirsty animal! Probably one of the few things where I stand with him 100%.

There are two types of people, those who follow a certain set of ethics or morals and obey the law, and those that transgress past the point of no return. Those who commit unforgivable crimes fall into a different category, that of the subhuman. Therefore, killing them carries no more weight than say killing a rabid dog.

You can try and feel righteous all you like by believing in the sanctity of human life, quite odd for liberals, pseudo-anarchist Chomskyists, whatever the hell you are, while still believing that a woman should be entitled to as many abortions as she likes and that the government should pay for it. Woah! Isn't that government sanctioned murder? Don't be so Hippocratic man. For the record, I don't want to get into it about abortion, I support it, but the women who do it are scum.

Oh, and when I have a moment at some point in the future I wouldn't mind tearing apart your whole spiel on the 2008 debacle.

I'm drunk and going to sleep, buenas noches.
May 18 2012 5:33AM
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minihef
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None of your post made any sense until you got to the drunk bit, then it all became a bit more clear.
May 18 2012 5:58AM
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feihlination
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how can you even sleep with your fear of liberalists, fascists, terrorists, anti-weapon-lobbyists and pseudo-anarchists all the time?

do you double check for a liberal under your bed everyday?
May 18 2012 5:59AM
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Mike-O
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11/10
May 18 2012 6:11AM
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minihef
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He doth protest too much, there's obviously a commie homosexual muslim inside Bandolero just waiting to bust out.
May 18 2012 6:20AM
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Mike-O
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Don't tell his friends serving in Afghanistan.
May 18 2012 6:26AM
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Zimmerman
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hahahahahaahahhahaha
May 18 2012 6:38AM
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Zimmerman
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quickly:

1. When did we bring war into this?
2. Typical conservative bringing Obama into an argument he isn't in.
3. Abortion isn't murder. It's health care.
4. Why did you mention Hippocrates?
May 18 2012 6:46AM
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Brock.
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 You should reconcile with your alcoholic father that beat you as a child. Seriously, the shit that you are saying is really fucked up, get help. Do we have a tea party fanatic on our hands?

Noam is my icon because I admire his writing and ideas, not because I put faith into his views on anarchism (which are very loosely defined).

You are right though, if I wasn't a 17 year old Canadian citizen, I would probably vote for Obama, but only because he is the lesser of two evils.

Why the fuck are you defining my views on abortion and military? I have not said a word about any of that.

You didn't even respond any of the points in my argument, you just made wild assumptions about issues that had nothing to about US domestic crime rates, your prison system, or the death penalty... You seem to just be avoiding the issue. I would love to hear what you have to say about the current financial crisis though, I welcome your urge to "tear me apart".
May 18 2012 11:34AM
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snowbombz
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the death penalty exists because we have a deep seeded pagan believe that those who sin go to hell. We know nothing about death: it might be a wonderful experience. By condemning somebody to death, you are breaking the separation of church and state.

Also its expensive as hell, and there have been multiple times where we execute somebody and they are later proven innocent.
May 18 2012 11:52AM
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Brock.
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As a matter of fact, you especially should be fucking pissed off about the $21 billion dollars of Chilean pension fund assets that vanished in '08 due to liberalization of finance in 1997 by bank reform laws that were enacted by your elected state authority, your good pal Eduardo.

It would be very, very sad if you didn't realize that the same economic interests that caused the current issues in the US prison system (the ones that this thread is talking about, not abortion for fuck's sake) have fueled the US's continuous decimation of your country's socioeconomic sovereignty.

High five Bill Clinton! Thanks for fucking up my country! Lets all go deal with our anger and frustration by pointlessly killing middle easterners!


I can make wild and profound statements based on Icon's in message boards too.
May 18 2012 12:01PM
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jibmeisterflex
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He didn't respond to your points because he was wrong. 10/10
May 18 2012 6:16PM
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feihlination
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guys stop it. bandelero worries about enough as it is already, getting bullied by liberals in an internet forum could be the last straw.
May 18 2012 6:40PM
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.ZT.
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+K for LOLz
May 18 2012 11:04PM
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EastCoast.
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Thank you
May 18 2012 11:06PM
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LoathesRaisins
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I say death by firing squad. Nice and cheap.
May 18 2012 11:24PM
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sniche
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Waste of time and money? You know whats a waste of time and money is feeding,clothing,housing, and guarding a rapist/murderer for 40 years....dumbfuck
May 18 2012 11:27PM
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minihef
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It's a bigger waste of time and money to execute them which is more expensive than imprisoning them for life, as has already been mentioned in thos thread about a hundred fucking times. Who is the dumb fuck again?
May 19 2012 1:39AM
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[hamnuts]
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Why does it have to be expensive though!? that's what I don't understand
May 19 2012 3:36AM
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Flying~Squirrel
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The actual execution is relatively cheap and the incarceration of a death row inmate is not significantly more expensive than the incarceration of any other inmate.

Where the costs differ is in the prosecution / trial. Capital cases involving the death penalty are much more costly to prosecute. The defense typically gets 2-3 attorneys (even for indigent defendants) you also have numerous expert testimony and then there are the automatic appeals and the numerous other appeals that are typically filed.

A few years ago, the statistics were that about 70% of death penalty cases were overturned on appeal. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE PERSON WAS WRONGFULLY CONVICTED, JUST THAT THE DEATH SENTENCE WAS COMMUTED TO LIFE.

FINANCIAL FACTS ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY
• The California death penalty system costs taxpayers $114 million per year beyond the costs of keeping convicts locked up for life.
Taxpayers have paid more than $250 million for each of the state’s executions. (L.A. Times, March 6, 2005)
• In Kansas, the costs of capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-capital cases, including the costs of incarceration.
(Kansas Performance Audit Report, December 2003).
• In Indiana, the total costs of the death penalty exceed the complete costs of life without parole sentences by about 38%, assuming
that 20% of death sentences are overturned and reduced to life. (Indiana Criminal Law Study Commission, January 10, 2002).
• The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per execution over the
costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of those costs occur at the trial level. (Duke University, May 1993).
• Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in
prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that amounts to a cost of $24 million for each
execution. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000).
• In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at
the highest security level for 40 years. (Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992).

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/FactShee…
May 19 2012 3:43AM
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Ian.D
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I haven't spent the time reading all 4 pages but i'll say this: yes, the death penalty can be a too harsh/inhuane punishment, but sometimes there are really, and I mean really sick people where the world is simply a better place without them on it. In those rare cases, I totally support the death penatly
May 19 2012 4:24AM
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feihlination
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a lot of people feel that way but the problem is where is the objective line between "regular criminals" and "really sick people"

obviously death penalty for anything else than murder is horseshit. so maybe someone who shoots 1 guy would get lifelong jailtime? obviously you would use the death penalty for all those crazy serial killers with 10+ victims. but what about someone who obviously rapes, tortures and kills 1 person? someone who drives drunk through a school hallway and kills 100 innocent children?

there is no objective measurement for something like that. either use death penalty for every murder, or for none.
May 19 2012 5:06AM
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minihef
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A detailed answer has just been given - it basically just comes down to the extra legal processes required due to enacting a punishment that is irrevocable. In other words if you discover someone who was sentenced to life in prison was wrongly convicted you can still release them, if you discover someone who was executed was wrongly convicted, you can't bring them back to life. Therefore the state better be extra fucking sure the person was guilty. In spite of that at least one innocent person has been executed and there's plenty of doubt over many many more.

Anyway I asked you a question before which you didn't answer. Here it is again in case you will answer as i'm interested to know your response:

Ok, so a straightforward question for you. Are you so desperate to see those people die rather than be imprisoned for life that you are willing to put up with the many imperfections and prejudices of the death penalty system as a whole?

It's been proven that an innocent person was killed because of the death penalty and studies also prove that the colour of the people involved's skin and their wealth/poverty has a significant effect on whether the death penalty is implemented in any given case. Are you ok putting up with those prejudices when it comes to government agencies taking a human life?

May 19 2012 5:12AM
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minihef
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I raised a problem with this approach earlier in response to [jailbait] but noone seems to actually bother reading the replies in this thread and instead they just repeat the same shit over and over again. I'm probably wasting my time but here it is again:

Quoting [jailbait] from May 16 2012 3:57:14:
I'm not saying that everyone should be executed if they are found guilty, but for those who have obviously committed unspeakable horrors, then I 100% believe that the death penalty should be implemented.
This is a common argument in favour of the death penalty and it is a very persuasive one as it is hard for anyone to justify showing any lenience to those that commit truly horrifying crimes.

The trouble is when you think about the effects this has in practice.

By reserving the death penalty for the worst of the worst - those crimes that really shock and anger communities because of their brutality or cruelty - you are also reserving the death penalty for those crimes where emotion is more likely to cloud the whole process and where there is a far bigger desire to punish someone for the crime. This just increases the chances of there being a miscarriage of justice.

For example in the USA prosecutors are often elected. If there is a crime that is so shocking it enrages a whole community it will put a huge amount of pressure on the prosecutor and in turn the police force to find the perpetrator. Such highly emotive circumstances are not conducive to ensuring that someone will receive an unprejudiced investigation and a fair trial.

In a perfect world it can be a reassuring thought to some that are forever ridding the world of such monsters. In the real world where you are relying on flawed systems and flawed humans as the actors within those systems it is just not that simple and the risk remains that innocent people will die at the hands of the state, no matter how bad the crime is.

May 19 2012 5:18AM
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PhaedeD
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Trying someone and going for the death penalty will cost more than letting them rot in prison forever. That's a problem, iff it's 100 % you are guilty they should just take you out back and shoot you.
May 19 2012 11:17AM
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.AR6rider.
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Didn't read the thread at all, but if someone is sentenced to death, fuck paying for them to sit on death row to get a lethal injection. Take them out back and shoot them in the head. Shoot a few blanks at them first to fuck with their head though haha. If the court has decided that they are going to die, why wait?
May 19 2012 11:20AM
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Brock.
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...read the thread. Dumbass.
May 19 2012 1:25PM
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Bread_Fish
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Absolutely yes. If some one would be receiving life in prison no parole we should not have to pay for them to sit and die on their own, saves money and lives
May 19 2012 1:38PM
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Campeador
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Not quite, the fact that I have a life might have something to do with it though.

Wouldn't want to spoil your circle jerk though.
May 19 2012 11:23PM
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Dr.Gonzo
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FACT, why is there a killing lineup? just throw rocks at them, isreal style
May 19 2012 11:25PM
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roor
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There are so many other things wrong with our country who cares. I'm for what's ever cheapest for the tax payer so just hang em then you can reuse the rope.
May 19 2012 11:30PM
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Utard
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You obviously know next to nothing about capital punishment
May 21 2012 8:47PM
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[hamnuts]
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I can guarentee too that there have been thousands who hve been sentenced to life without parole whilst innocent, and that they have not been liberated. Either way there may or may not be flaws in the justice system and either way the innocent individuals condemned to death or life without parole can both give up their lives to the law. I am in no way desperate to see anyone die. I am not a bloodthirsty individual who wants torture for those convicted of heinous crimes. I just want them gone from our world as swiftly as possible. I don't know, maybe you don't understand what I meant by saying that capital punushment should be impemented when we are 100% sure someone committed the crime. I don't necessesarily advocate for the current death penalty system, but I do advocate for the general Idea or it . When we see 100% that an individual has committed a crime, like in the instance where the video of the aforermentioned couple raped tortured and murderied several teenage girls on camera was discovered, that the death penalty should be implemented. I think that when it is certain that someone has committed a crime past a certain level that they should be swiftly and quickly put to death. iF such evidence , such as a videotape or photograph emerges throughout the trial then yes I say 100% that they should be condemned to death. I am not okay with putting up racial prejudices, but I really don't believe that race should have anyuthing to do whith whether or not the death penalty is implemented, and it won't. If we are 100% sure someone committed a crime and the evidence is so overwhelming that their guilt is certain then it won't matter if someone is black or white, its only going to matter that they are guilty. Again, I'd like to fucking reiterate for you that I am by no means desperate to see anyone die and by suggesting that I am, you are a real piece of shit. I don't know, maybe its wrong for me to hope that someone who we 100% know did something like sexually mutilate and murder an 8 year old dead. I'm not willing to put up with any prejudices of the current death penalty system, and we all know there is a flaw to every justice system. I never said that I support the curent death penalty SYSTEM. I just believe in the idea of the death penalty and wish it was implemented in an effective and cheap manner.
May 21 2012 9:06PM
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Zimmerman
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Who kills the executioner, who 100% killed the criminal?
May 22 2012 10:25AM
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jibmeisterflex
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Look, if they are in prison for life, then they are still more likely to be liberated if they were falsely incarcerated.
May 22 2012 8:33PM
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steezyjibber
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owned as fuck
May 22 2012 8:35PM
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jibmeisterflex
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Quoting for emphasis
May 24 2012 7:05PM
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EvanWalz
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dont support the death penalty whatsoever. I understand where people come from about it. i get it an eye for an eye but death just isn't the answer. sure go ahead and put them in jail for life but dont take their lives away early. let them rot in jail so that they can remorse and maybe find the strength to ask god for forgiveness so they can spend there lives in a better place. in conclusion, death penalty: No sir
May 24 2012 7:10PM
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The_Beekeeper
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I agree, in my opinion jail isn't only for punishment, it's for the person to think about what they did and feel bad. Maybe even wish they hadn't done it.
May 25 2012 6:42PM
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