Death penalty

Personally, I am for the death penalty. Yes I understand that it costs more to kill a prisoner than to keep them alive, but sometimes I would rather pay to have the fucking peace of mind that they are never able to breathe another breath. I don't understand why it has to be a fucking expensive process to excecute someone, I really don't. I'm not saying that everyone should be executed if they are found guilty, but for those who have obviously committed unspeakable horrors, then I 100% believe that the death penalty should be implemented. In Ontario there was a man who was just convicted of murdering, brutally raping and essentially torturing a little 8 yearold girl before killing her. Both he and his female accomplice received life in prison, but I believe that they both should be executed. They are both monsters, no way around it, and there's literally video surveillance of the woman buying the hammer minutes before she and her boyfriend beat the girl to death. There also was his laptop, discovered to be completely full of kiddie porn, as well as beastiality. I don't know about you, but I really wish the Canadian government was just able to quickly excecute them and fucking put them both out of their sick misery. I think they should both be removed from the planet for what they did, they forefit their right to live when they took away that 8 year old little girl's right to her own body and life. In the old days, people were able to be hung or sent to the chopping block. I just thin its a shame that we still can't do that today.

I understood your point until the last sentence, yeah, let's keep it rustic and old school by bringing out the gallows and guillotines.

If that were to happen, the process of killing someone convicted of a crime would become both cheaper and much quicker, and I believe many innocent people would die. We live in modern times, we live in a society of high culture and values. You listed a terrible crime, but you are falling down to those psychos' level if you want to see them dead.

Western society and judicial systems shouldn't have any kind of relation to Hammurabi's Code.

i actually shouted out "JESUS FUCKING CHRIST" when read that

I don't understand, why are innocent people dying? How fucking innocent can an individual be if there is fucking video surveillance of them luring a little girl away from her school to her imminent rape, torture and death, and a computer filled to the brim with kiddie porn to solidify the fact that they are a disgusting monster? What I said, and what I think you misunderstood is that the death penalty should be implemented if it 100% certain that such severe, premeditated crimes were committed. Around 15 years ago in my hometown there similarly was another couple caught and found guilty of murdering several teenage girls, including the woman's little sister. The two literally videotaped themselves raping, torturing, and drugging their teenaged victims before finally giving them such a high dosage of the drugs that vomiting was induced and they ended up choking on their own vomit. All of this is on tape. Listen, I am not suggesting that we take away everyones right to a fair trial and to appeal their case, but I personally feel that such monsters should simply be taken away from this planet. Again, by committing such heinous crimes they truly have forefit their right to a free life and it truly would put the minds of millions to rest knowing that there is no way for those two to ever harm anyone again. Its not like they are going to rot in jail feeling guilty about their crimes, they all have no remorse. They just relive their sick fantasy again and again in their head. If there wasn't something truly "wrong" with those people then they would not be imprisoned. Perhaps if I were to suggest that we torture, rape and kill the criminals as painfully as possible, then I would be sinking to their level. But I am not suggesting we do that, all I am suggesting is that we quickly and efficiently remove these persons from our planet. They are all extremely sick individuals, and to be honest I feel it is less of a punishment because if they are dead they will no longer fantasize about commiting some of the most disgusting acts known to man. I think that my view is not at all in direct relation to Hammurabi's Code. I think that the families of victims would also simply prefer to have the threat of those monsters removed as quickly as possible in order to protect everyone else.

Here goes:

Thoughts on Murder and the Death Penalty

            Murder is generally defined as the killing of another human being. As a civilized people, we have made this terrible act illegal, and with it comes a punishment. In my opinion, no human deserves to die. Sure, we may sometimes find justification to take a life, but this only addresses whether it was for the greater good or not. It does not address whether the human really deserved to die. There is much debate, even in modern times, over capital punishment. Capital punishment or the death penalty allows the state to take a human life if the person has committed a high enough crime. My question for death penalty supporters is; who kills the executioner?

 Supporters argue that states with the death penalty have lower murder rates, but do they account for all the murders committed by the state itself? I believe that a human life should never be taken unwillingly. We might as well crawl back to the caves if we are to advocate for such a barbaric punishment. Killing a murderer is the same crime as killing any other person, no matter their race, no matter their gender, no matter their beliefs. The death penalty will never solve anything. Punishment should be used to help criminals to learn a lesson and to provide compensation to the victim, not to take away any chance of ever being a breathing human again.

Nothing in life is ever certain. Sometimes, the jury is wrong and people are condemned for crimes they didn’t commit. If we are to have the death penalty, innocent humans will die without even committing a crime themselves. It is rare, but it happens. Just last year, a man named Troy Davis was killed by his state for a crime that he most likely didn’t commit. He was originally found guilty of killing a police officer, but years later, when the Supreme Court held a trial to see whether new evidence could find Davis innocent, seven out of nine witnesses changes their original stories and two admitted to completely lying. To me this makes the case a little too shaky to justify the death penalty. Sure, the new evidence may not have been enough to prove Davis indisputably innocent, but it is definitely enough to be more cautious about taking his life. Use of capital punishment will inevitably result in the wrongful death of innocent humans.

The death penalty has also resulted in inequality. In many states, it is considered a higher crime to kill a police officer than to kill any other human. In New York State, one can be given the death penalty for killing a cop, but not for killing someone’s grandmother. I find this to be atrocious. By enacting a law like this, we lose equality under the law. This means that in New York State, a police officer’s life is worth more than mine. Are we not all the same? Do all humans not share the same DNA? As an advanced population, we cannot allow this inequality to occur.

No human deserves to die. The death penalty cannot solve our criminal justice issues and it will never be a reasonable punishment for any crime. It causes inequality and the deaths of innocent people. The statistics do not phase me on this issue. We cannot continue to use such a barbaric practice. We must value all life equally. If we are to advance as a species, we cannot revert to killing our own kind.

You don't kill anyone, whatever he did.

If someone commits murder , they should be killed. Fucking simple.

Not a very sound argument.

This

Quality post. Your name amuses me greatly considering the context as well haha.

I strongly agree, good post!

DEATH MUTHAFUCKIN RACE.(but yes i know it was an awful movie)

I am undecided... I believe there should be second chances... but at the same time, why should innocent people be put at risk to give some asshole who raped/murdered/robbed/stole or any extreme like that another chance at life?... And why should the people have to pay to keep these assholes alive?

Conservative Logic: Government spends too much money, supports military spending, what most of tax money goes to.

might as well add social security and medicare to that

it's funny how people don't want government in their lives until they get hurt or are too old to work

Quality post kind sir

This is what I want, Guatemalan justice

^Cheap and effective.

is it animal cruelty to put down a dog that savagely attacked a baby? No. Its fucking the right thing to do because that animal will not be trained out of its habits and is a threat to society. I see no difference between a viscious dog and a human being who we are 100% sure has committed a heinous crime such as the rape torture and murder of an innocent person.

If I had to choose between the death penalty and sitting in a cell for 50 years, I think I'd go for the whole death thing. I'm against the death penalty, since sitting in a cell for 50 years sounds like a more sufficient punishment for serious crime. Death is an easy out.

I don't like what the death penalty says about our society. I'm sure that if somebody murdered someone close to me I would do everything in my power to kill whoever that was. But that's just it, the point of government is to be there to fill in the weaknesses where the individual falls short. Killing somebody is not going to bring their victims back. Unless it is entirely impossible to secure an individual into a lifelong jail sentence (i.e. inadequate prison security), capital punishment should not exist.

Honestly, from a criminal's point of view, the death penalty is much better than a life sentence. I think a life sentence is actually more cruel and inhumane than the death penalty and it is also extremely expensive to imprison someone for life compared to ending their life early. I say let there be a death penalty.

Does the murderer usually analyse what his victim has done and try him in the court of law before taking his life? I doubt the death penalty is comparable to murder...

thats sad

You can't compare a dog and a human. Seriously. Read Zimmerman's great post again.

If you are anti-abortion, Republican (Ron Paul libertarian) or whatever fucking bullshit, )and you support the death penalty then you are fucking stupid. Lethal injection in more expensive than leaving someone in jail, and fuck like Tookie Williams heres a link for all you Utah middle class wu-tang kids http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Williams. He changed his life sat on death row forever turned anti gang, anti violence, wrote childrens books and they still killed him. You support killing It has been shown that it has been to kill fucking black people. There is a whole documentary on how white guys can do way worse things, and get life in prison while black guys die. And if you don't support the death penalty but eat meat you are fucking Hippocratic. You can be like every other 'man' and be like "Oh its natural to eat them" but there is a fucking genocide against cattle, and we fucking think that shits natural. It is so easy to show compassion because yeah they really can't change the world in person, but they can change who they are. To change the world you first have to change yourself. Peace!

What have you got against Hippocrates?

hahahahaha whooppss

This is a common argument in favour of the death penalty and it is a very persuasive one as it is hard for anyone to justify showing any lenience to those that commit truly horrifying crimes.

says the guy who sucks woozys dick for using leerockwell.com and shit similar to nra.com in a weapon thread as "sources"

i would call that, in respect of this thread, very Hippocratic.

Does the legal system still hand out multiple life sentences to one person? If so, I believe this should also be a death sentence. In general, I am for the death sentence but due to the blunders of the media and our legal system, Im also against it due to the fact of wrong accusations..

speaking on costs of leaving prisoners in prison, why does it cost so much? because anything and everything that maintains a prisoners life is BOUGHT. food, clothing, you name it. there is nothing but costs associated with prisons, what can we do to rethink our prison system?

why don't we integrate a prison out west where all of the prisoners work together to sustain the prison, all while being guarded by officers with scoped rifles? i understand that the US would still have to pay the officers' wages, but i'm sure Americans could live with that. we could track how this particular prison does over a selected period of time, and if it is successful, then other prisons can be implemented across the nation using this sort of system.

make the prisoners farm the land for food, give them jobs to maintain the building and upkeep the facilities; even let well-behaved detainees produce a product that Americans could buy, creating revenue the prison could use to cut down on costs. we could track how well this particular prison does over a selected period of time, and if it is successful, then other prisons can be implemented across the nation using this sort of system.

don't leave them in their cells and on the recess grounds, rotting away with nothing better to do than create gangs and plot violence. all whilst being fed, clothed, and kept safe for free; they are nothing but burdens to society like this. put them to work!

limit of one appeal, then upon being found guilty go to a cemetary, lay down in your grave, and get shot there.

yep. Said it before, this is what needs to happen. It would keep farm labor costs down and reduce our dependence on illegal immigrants.

I have seen prison farms before. Also there used to be prison factories which made some revenue. Look into it if you are interested because I am pretty sure this is not a new idea. It would great to have all prisons productive too.

Jailbait is one smart person.

apples and oranges.

i am for the death penalty though.

under extreme circumstances like repeat offender for crimes like rape and murder but not a first time offender unless it's like serial killing and stuff of that sort
definitely not something the average criminal would worry about

You don't know what hypocritical means do you?

To anybody who supports the death penalty: would you have the will to kill someone for their crimes?

Who would benefit from killing a child rapist/torturer/murderer? Would it repair any of the damage he caused to the family?

If you people so strongly believe in killing someone as a disciplinary measure, you need to ask yourself if you are willing to kill another person. I don't understand it, by supporting the death penalty you are murdering someone, it will only bring our society further into the realm of the dark, horrible, and animalistic mindset of the murderer himself.

If you are so passionate about having someone killed for there crimes, why not just do it yourself? Go and kill him you bloodthirsty animals.

Well I'm only 12 and three quarters so I Wont have freshman English until next year =(

People that support the death penalty and would be willing to kill the criminal if they had the chance are just as evil as the person who committed the crime in the first place.

And to everyone saying "It costs the government sooo much money to keep people in jail", get fucking educated about your own county.

 The reason the US has such high incarceration rates (prisons stuffed to the brim using tax dollars) is because there is such rampant social problems like unemployment, poverty, disparity, divorce, etc. 50% of Chicago high school students don't even graduate. That shit obviously caused violent crime. Now why do those problems exist? It is a simple lack of oversight in the markets. For years, the private business sector has been able to get away with murder. Banks gave 500 k mortgages to people working at McDonald's and then sold millions of these bad mortgages all over the world, GM and oil multinational corporations not only destroyed any chance of clean public transportation projects, but they outsourced jobs and production in their factories leaving millions of Americans unemployed, literally destroying the lives of the people that lived in those cities and had been working at the factories for 20 + years (see flint Michigan). This huge clusterfuck of business moves that were backwards/twisted/horrible is what brought us the '08 recession, making it harder for the millions of American citizens who had already been living in complete poverty in the first place to steer clear of violent crimes.

Why did this happen? Because there was no oversight, government policies, regulations, or taxes that prevented bankers and other monolithic businesses (some of which make more yearly profit than most country's GDP) from committing these crimes. Ok, so why is there no policy that makes sure people don't get screwed over by businesses that cause massive poverty and huge gaps between the rich and poor? Because you democratically elected a president that deregulated markets and took away policy that was vital to stopping harmful private business activity (Bush), (See: Glass Steagall, and Gramm Leach Bliley).

Well America, you have the power to change this. You can keep people out of prison. You have a vote. Right now you can vote for the republican Mitt Romney who wants to eliminate government policy. He wants to massively cut taxes that fund things like education, wellfare, social security, Public health care, and other programs that prevent violent crime, leading to overcrowded prisons.

Or even worse, you could choose to vote for Ron Paul (I think he suspended his campaign), who wants to end the federal reserve (which controls inflation and keeps everyday products at stable prices. The fed also controls pension payments and minimum wage, which are both extremely essential to more than half of Americans) and also eliminate 80% of government entirely.

Vote Mitt Romney if your long-term plan to solve violent crime is mass execution.

The bottom line is that overcrowded prisons and sky high incarceration rates are in the hands of each and every one of you. You are all fully accountable for the problems in your country, and you can prevent them by using your vote, because you are all stakeholders in the system.

lost it here

10/10 would read again
+1 in support
upvote'd

A basic human right is the right to life, no matter what, as outlined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights... you can't just kill someone because they killed someone else...


"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi

good, good

it does not make you just as evil as the person who committed the crime, not at all. but I'm saying 100% sure. To refer back to my previous example there was a couple from my hometown who 15 years ago started luring young girls to them, including the womans young teenage daughter. The lured them from their families, drugged. took turns raping the girls for the camera, and then murdered them in increasingly horrid ways. One girl's death, was shown on video. After her rape and torture they gave her more drugs so that vomiting was induced. She choked on her own vomit and died on the video. They were laughing the entire time. These are people are destined for life without parole, ithey plead guilty to hope to maybe one day see the light of day again. I know the man is under special protection from other prisoners. We know he is guilty, he confessed. He is proud of his actions , and has no remorse. He probably just fantasizes every day about what he did and there is no way we could put him on a labour farm or to work because he is such a threat to society and is it would not eb severe eough punishment. Same goes for the woman. unfortunately she was able to get a deal from the court by providing evidence to them and after 10 years got out and moved to the carribean where sdhe probably lives the high life. THAT is what I believe to be a miscarriage of justice. I just think its upsetting and depressing to know that those two were not simply taken out of their sick misery and that their presence in this world will continually haunt the families of their poor victims. Killing them does NOT at all make you as evil as them. I am not saying that we torture them, what I am saying is we just do it quickly and efficiently because people like that have 100% already forfeit their lives, they will go to prison for life with no parole. And they will have to be placed on special watch. I guarentee if your girlfriends were abducted, raped, tortured and drugged and then chopped into litlle pieces and dumped into lake ontario yoiu wouldn't feel the same way.

wishing death on someone is arguably just as bad.

If thoughts were crimes, we'd all be rapists.