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The strike is over

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Puzzled
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Quebecers,
We got fucked real bad this semester. And its pretty much a sacrifice we did for our next generations, which I think are more retarded than us every years. Thoughts?

Inb4 no thoughts you little NS shitheads.
May 5 2012 10:08PM
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Dunnah
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Thank you. People do need to quit whining. It's funny how petty our first world problems are when you compare them to people who live each day with problems far greater.
May 6 2012 1:19AM
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hoodratz47
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that march was fucking stupid. who ever said qubec women are hot. fuck you



oh and again. first fucking world problems.
May 6 2012 1:21AM
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Black.Bird
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Sorry, those were the hippies.
May 6 2012 1:23AM
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hoodratz47
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yeah.. thanks for all that. i see plenty of hippy chicks in Portland and Eugene
May 6 2012 1:24AM
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jason...
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this isnt about canadians, its about quebecers. half of them dont even consider themselves canadians.
May 6 2012 1:32AM
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corona
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Enjoy your ever mounting debt Quebec. You're what we like to call a 'have-not' province, and that is certainly not going to change anytime soon.


Silly students thinking they're helping future generations when really they're causing the province to fall even more into the gutter from their self-entitled greed.


Vincent's predictions for education costs in Quebec over the next 35 years:

Tuition will stay moderately stable rising with inflation for the next 15-20 years. At this time Quebec will be almost entirely relying on provinces such as Alberta to keep them floating as they'll have a staggering $1.2 trillion debt.

As greener energy is becoming more widespread, Alberta will no longer have massive surplus and will start to fall into negative numbers. To eliminate the chance of the province going into debt Alberta will lobby incredibly hard and achieve a change in the redistribution of wealth, so they will only be paying a fraction of what they do now to Quebec.

Other provinces will follow suit. Quebec will crumble. They will have no money. Drastic changes will be put in place in the form of significant cuts. Government subsidization of tuition, which is currently 87%, will be cut to 30%. Students' tuition will be $20,000 a year, the highest in the country. Many day-cares, hospitals, and public schools will be closed and social services will be at a minimum. The province will be at its worse. A shit hole.

And it will be in part thanks to snotty students who didn't realize the direction their province is currently heading who will go so far as disrupting the tax payers who are paying for 87% of their education to avoid rises.
May 6 2012 1:38AM
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sugar~glider
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hello my name is colin and i pay $56000 a year for college.
May 6 2012 1:38AM
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Black.Bird
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^^Quebec in a couple years will be very similar to Greece nowadays
May 6 2012 1:43AM
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corona
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perfect comparison.
May 6 2012 1:46AM
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marsh.
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i am Puzzled by this thread.
May 6 2012 1:53AM
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Dunnah
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Ahh, my mistake. Just replace Canadians with Quebecers then.
May 6 2012 1:57AM
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.AR6rider.
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OP is clearly a semi-retarded, French pussy with two dads.
May 6 2012 2:35AM
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selkirks
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LOLZ at the people comparing Canada to the United States.

Here's what you have to understand about the difference between Quebec and the United States. They are different cultures that value different things.

Canada happens to value education. So they decided, early in their history, that it would be a good idea to subsidize public education--including higher education. Some provinces went farther than others. Everything was good and dandy.

The United States also values education. So they decided, early in their history, that they would make it a little bit easier for a student to receive higher education. The did it through the same sort of subsidies that Canada and other countries use worldwide. But the difference is that in the United States, we have a [often quite vigorous] ridiculous opposition. The Democrats and Republicans are perhaps the most polarly-opposite groups in politics worldwide. They fight about everything--often needlessly and carelessly [see: debt ceiling, government shutdown]. So there was no way to achieve the true goal of making college affordable. Ever since that first effort during the progressive era, Americans have valued education less and less. It has been chopped at, vociferated, killed in committee, and sliced and diced in every manner possible. Education simply isn't a priority here--defense spending is.

And who can blame the politicians, really? I mean, just look at our students. It's clear that many of them don't value education. The nationwide dropout rate is 25%. It's even higher in areas like Los Angeles, New York, Miami, Phoenix, etc. The nationwide college entrance rate is terrible. The percent that complete their degree is even worse. We're "leading from behind" in every sense of the term. And it's all because education funding in our country has been all but demolished in the last thirty years.

So who's guilty? Both the politicians and the students. The students have a duty to show the politicians that they're worth it. The politicians have a duty to believe in the students.

Canada's a country that has understood this from the very beginning. They have led innovative education and healthcare reforms that have helped millions. They firmly believe in the necessity of a college education. Unlike the United States, it is an expectation--not a luxury.

So tell me. Who is really the "entitled one" here? Is it the group of students in the United States that spends billions yearly on higher education, but then blows it off and treats it like a four-year partying spree? Or is it the group that spends more modest figures, learns a skill or finds their vocation, and then goes out and uses those skills to effect change in the world--and then pay it forward for the next generation?

Tell me. Which one sounds more "entitled"?
May 6 2012 3:37AM
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Lolocaust.
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username.
implies.
dick-ness?
May 6 2012 6:04AM
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Puzzled
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Hence the ".........." ba dum tsss.

Had a few beers when I made this thread but oh well.
May 6 2012 6:55AM
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feihlination
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so only rich people should get it? great point you entitled piece of shit.


(i didnt want to be that harsh, but it seems like the standard procedure in this thread. kthxbai)
May 6 2012 7:08AM
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Mike-O
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Higher education should be completely free, but it should be very difficult to get into a school in the first place. Make it free, pay student allowance for those who get in and make it very hard for people to get selected and at least the seemingly best people and those most suited to study are the only people who get in. Follow quotas to a degree, but if say, 40 new students had a placement in the coming year but nearly all score ridiculously low points in an entrance examination, there shouldn't be a curved method, but just not taking as many people in.

Then again, those who seem most qualified are not always the best choices, that's where it gets difficult.
May 6 2012 7:10AM
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theabortionator
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I try to avoid quebec.
May 6 2012 7:20AM
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bananas
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i never supported their cause. it was time for a raise
May 6 2012 10:15AM
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corona
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Well then you should agree with Canada's education system. For the top people who would get into an exclusive system, those same people are easily able to get scholarships to cover practically their entire education making university essentially free. Besides having to pay the small amounts for mandatory dental insurance and such.

There are also incredible social assistance programs for those who cannot afford to go to university. There really is only a very very small group at the very very bottom of the barrel who cannot afford university with the social assistance programs. And if there is anyone in that group dedicated enough to go to university, they will easily be able to get scholarships.

For example, a person entering university at my university with 80% average (not very high at all considering minimum entrance averages are usually 75%) will get 2000/year for as many years as they keep up their average. If they're in a low income bracket they can easily get 2000/year in grants they do not need to pay back. All of a sudden 2/3rds of education is payed for. If they're really keen to have it all payed for they can try a bit harder and get put into the next scholarship level and apply for many more.

So for those who want an education, it can cost less than what one will spend on beer in a month.

This way the province isn't getting driven deeply into debt through education, and it IS free for the same people who would get into the university you suggest.
May 6 2012 10:37AM
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Relish_man
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Well my Cegep wasn't even on strike! So I will be reaping all the potential rewards of this strike, all whilst finishing my school a couple months earlier than the ones on strike! winning?
May 6 2012 10:42AM
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Mike-O
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Sounds pretty good. Even with the US tuitions I often criticize, there are a lot of scholarships around there covering a lot of costs for the best (read: most motivated).

In Finland you get roughly 650 dollars (b.tax) for 9 months a year, assuming that you get enough credits (1 month = 4,4 credits) and you can also apply for allowance during the summer months granted you have enough credits accrued. On top of that you can take a student loan which is divided to $400/month, but you can raise the whole amount at the end of your studies, say for example, a 6-year Master's, giving you a very low interest loan (usually around 1,5-2,2%) of 21,000 dollars if you so wish.

But not a lot of people take loans here, even with the very high cost of living, maybe once or twice for a bit of extra. I'd definitely support making studies more exclusive around here, but also not bar entry completely from those who are suited with the proper skills of a trade or degree, but are academically challenged. There are plans for a large tuition fee for one of our biggest (and best?) Unis, and people are pretty upset about the idea.
May 6 2012 10:49AM
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shibby
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Idiot. First of all they are protesting, not rioting (except for a very small minority). And I'm pretty sure they aren't "rioting" because they have the lowest tuition in Canada. Think about what you just wrote and how little sense it makes.

The Quebec government has tried to raise tuition multiple times in the past decades and it's almost always been shot down because of protests like this. Maybe if you soft dick ROC retards would have stood up every once in a while you wouldn't be paying what you are now.

I go to school in the province that pays the most in tuition but I actually am from Quebec and I support the strikers. I'm so sick of seeing the retarded "I pay more which makes me mad and jealous so fuck Quebec" argument here on NS.

BTW those numbers you posted earlier...that 2000 dollar tuition includes CEGEP which costs roughly 150-200 per semester. Actual university tuition for Quebec is much higher.
May 6 2012 11:10AM
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Cufe.
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Idiot, I was using hyperbole to show contrast. Though I must congratulate you on learning the first thing about arguing: take a few words from a much larger whole then make a fuss over them. Are you by chance a career politician? so, I ask you to please think about what you just wrote and how much of a douche it makes you look (hint: a lot.) But I digress, "Us soft dick ROC retards" are paying a rather affordable amount, honestly if you want to go to university and have the motivation to write in for scholarships (as well as burseries if you qualify) you will be able to afford it. If you do not have that motivation then you have no right to complain about the prices of tuition. In an effort not to talk on subjects I do not fully understand I will not comment on CEGEP, all I know is it takes you past what Grade 12 education does in other provinces, though I am unsure of how much further it goes.
May 6 2012 11:39AM
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shibby
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My point is that people in the ROC and the US have no place criticizing Quebec students when their argument essentially comes down to "umad".
May 6 2012 11:52AM
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taylornicky
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This.

In my opinion, if people want to stand up and strike for what they think is right/wrong then let them. If they believe that tuition rates are becoming too high, then let them think that, and let them stand up for lower rates. Yes, it's ridiculously expensive here in the states, but it's an option to attend college. If you're going to complain about the rates here in America, then take a stand, don't attend, or be quiet. What they did in Quebec was take a stand for a better outcome. If we went on strike here for our tuition rates, I would stand behind it even though I have tuition paid for. It's something I believe in and taking a stand can make a change.
May 6 2012 12:05PM
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blackmamba.
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If you don't like paying "higher" tuition go elsewhere. Oh wait...
May 6 2012 12:30PM
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corona
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no it doesn't. Other provinces that are essentially paying for the tuition of Quebec students through redistribution of wealth should be and are outraged. Do the students not realize that Quebec is heading downhill fast and the government NEEDS to lower some of its subsidization so it can survive? There is nothing about umad, this is about being smart.

The best analogy I can think of is a poor family who is struggling to get by who is living off the support of others and have some fcuker of a child who is a spoiled little brat. When the parents can't afford brand new Christmas presents and have to buy something used, the child throws a tantrum and starts wrecking shit and yells and yells but just doesn't realize that they simply cannot afford to buy him new presents without putting more burden on those who are supporting them.
May 6 2012 12:45PM
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HorsecockTony
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dafuq? you stole my name, dickhead!
May 6 2012 12:47PM
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corona
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Although in Quebec's case we could say the father is an alcoholic or chain smoker and is a money pit.
May 6 2012 12:47PM
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.ZT.
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LOL this...
May 6 2012 1:00PM
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-emile-
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wow we're gonna be so fucked in a few years ......
May 6 2012 1:06PM
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theabortionator
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also like anyone cared about a strike in canada
May 6 2012 1:35PM
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Gameboy
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you guys realize that the raise is still there, they're only redistributing the money that is poorly managed to the students?
May 6 2012 1:43PM
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blackmamba.
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Yeah, the precedence has been set. Take away the teat, and observe the repercussions...
May 6 2012 2:03PM
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BrewskiJr
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My university, Miami University (OH), just got ranked the #1 most expensive public university in the US (takes into consideration local housing prices, food costs, etc)

It fucking blows. You guys can't even compare...
May 6 2012 2:10PM
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shibby
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I wasn't targeting you with that post. You at least have an economic argument. I think it's naive to say that equalisation and transfer payments are keeping Quebec tuitions low.
May 6 2012 2:39PM
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How were they in the wrong for striking? Students all across Canada and America too should follow their lead! 50K+ a year? Like that isn't a direct attack on the middle class.
May 6 2012 2:44PM
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Puzzled
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Exactly.

Entitled piece of shit? Nah we just know when to draw the line, something people in 'murica seem to have trouble with. Probably because they are oh so proud of their country or some shit like that.
May 6 2012 3:02PM
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Anal_Rapist
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its not at all, its called supply and demand
May 6 2012 3:08PM
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Mike-O
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It may blow, but are people protesting against the overtly high tuitions in Miami? Or just going along with it?

It's not simply a case of "Oh, you think you have it bad..."
May 6 2012 3:08PM
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Anal_Rapist
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its not at all, its called supply and demand
May 6 2012 3:09PM
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feihlination
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only to a certain point. its more a bubble.
May 6 2012 3:21PM
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caucasian_chad
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Everyone else's tuition is going up too, even countries that offer "free" college. Quit whining. If they don't charge the students, they would have to raise taxes to pay for the increasing cost of education. I could pay for your tuition in one and a half paychecks, it's not that bad. The Canadian government is obviously realizing that some of its socialized government programs are running up the national debt, and looking to their users to foot part of the bill. Seems fair to me, college is expensive, why should people who don't go have to pay for it with their taxes? Classic example of things we are seeing across the world these days, where governments were offering more services than they could afford to.
May 6 2012 3:27PM
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Mike-O
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We're definitely not seeing eye-to-eye on this. When higher education is free, only those who make the break for it get in, it's not very easy to get into the most sought-out degrees in nations offering free education. It becomes not a matter of cost, but of determination. Some people don't get into law or medical school until 5 years of trying, but they don't give up, and finally get in, becoming talented in their trades. Not everyone does, of course, as I mentioned earlier.
May 6 2012 3:36PM
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caucasian_chad
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True, I agree that tuition in the US is way out of hand. I have to work year-round, and over 40 hours a week in the summer to cover about half my tuition at a university. But the amount they're striking over is trivial. Any random ass summer job would easily cover it in a month or two.
May 6 2012 3:53PM
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Mike-O
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But it's not simply the amount, it's principals they're fighting for, and while I don't know enough of the reigning tuition discussion in Canada to know if this really was an important battle or not comparing to the larger average fees around the country, they did stand their ground and got some results. For now.
May 6 2012 3:56PM
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Mike-O
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*principles
May 6 2012 3:58PM
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Anal_Rapist
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well exactly there was an influx of children in our generation making us the largest generation ever so with that there have been more college applications and the xolleges raise their price because theres so much competition to get in and they knw
May 6 2012 5:25PM
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Mike-O
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Even if you were cut short, do you think education should be based on competition?
May 6 2012 5:26PM
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