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Armada Halo vs. ON3P Filthy Rich

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james6345789
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I ski Minnesota, and I ski 100% park, I am not concerned with how they will ski outside of it. I will be centermounting them. I am 6' 0" 160 pounds. I hit 70% rails, 30% jumps. I want to be able to do lots of rail tricks, but then be able to stomp stuff on jumps (biggest around here are like 35 feet). I need them to last 2 or 3 seasons (about 100 or more days)

So my question is, Halos or Filthy Riches? I understand they're both rocker camber rocker, nearly same price, and both super good. A bonus of the Halos is that I can buy them at my local ski shop.

Thanks in advance.
Apr 29 2012 11:40PM
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mlp
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i had my halos all season and they held up great
loved them
dont know much about on3p but everybody seems to like them on ns
Apr 30 2012 11:53AM
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manny.ester
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I would say the halo's are out of question just based on the available lengths. I skied 182cm Alpha 1's this year, I am 5'10 and they skiied way too short for my liking. Even the 182 skis like a 140 or shorter ski. I guess you won't be going super fast or hitting big jumps, but even in the park I didn't really enjoy them.

Another thing to consider is the elf-shoe tech on the halo's, while jeffreys have regular sidecut. Elf-shoe tech takes a while to get used to, and I really don't think it benefits the skis, except for a little bit of reduced swing weight (not significant). Even most of Armada's athletes stick to the AR7 or T-Hall for park.

I can't say anything about filthy riches in particular, I have a pair of Jeffreys and I love them and the durability is amazing. Though with the large amount of rocker, even the 181s will ski pretty short, but depending on what length you are used to riding they should be fine. If I were you I would also consider some fully cambered park skis that are a little bit softer, maybe punx or something like that, because where you are skiing you might prefer full camber over rockered tips and tails. Just a thought!

Apr 30 2012 11:59AM
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Mr_pretzel
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Halos are ski blades.

Filthys are park weapons.
Apr 30 2012 12:08PM
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Literature
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Elf shoe is just fancy marketing for taper in the tips.

With the FR, you'll get a thicker edge and faster base material than the Halo, which adds up to better durability over the long haul.
Apr 30 2012 1:15PM
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james6345789
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With the Halos, it sounds like the turning radius is a problem for lots of people. I'm starting to lean again towards the FRs. Do the Halos really feel that short?

Thanks for the replies everone
Apr 30 2012 9:31PM
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dbchili
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I'm 6'2 and I rode 182 halo's this season, and they do ride a bit shorter, however for a centermounted park ski, i didn't find them that bad. The past 2 skis i've ridden were 178 jib nas (which I hated) and 181 JO pros (wood core ones, which I liked). The halo's were a nice inbetween, they could still carve unlike the jib nas which were hindered by being fully rockered and magnetraction, but the rocker gave them way more play than a traditional cambered ski

durability wise they've been good so far, but i only put probably 30 days on them this season, which is pretty low. I also found them super light, but that is comparing to the two battleships I rode previously

the sidecut does take some getting used to, but honestly once youre on it you'll never notice the difference

the one thing I did notice is that for a light ski, it was fairly stiff which I'm a fan of. From what I understand the FR is more the on medium flex side of things, which for you at 160 might be more appropriate depending on how stiff you like your skis

overall I found halos to be a great skis, unfortunately I can't give them the full run down against the FR
Apr 30 2012 10:08PM
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james6345789
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^thanks for the help.

damn, this decision will be hard. Both skis sound really good!
Apr 30 2012 10:17PM
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james6345789
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Also for reference, I had AR7s before. I rode them for 2 seasons, and they are my first park ski. I really liked them, but I can't really compare them to anything.

It's kinda sad that my choice may literally be based on a flip of a coin
Apr 30 2012 10:20PM
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iggyskier
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If you have any more questions about the filthy rich, you are welcomed to give the factory a call and I will do my best to answer any questions you have. 503-206-5909. Just ask for scott.
May 1 2012 1:37AM
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bigwhite.steeze
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IF YOU CAN GET YOUR HANDS ON A PAIR GET 182 ALPHA 1'S!!!

i know ON3P gets alot of hype on here, i'm sure they're great skis but they get whored on this site far too much...its a little ridiculous. saying that, they could be a good choice for this dude.

on the other hand though, armada has really created something special with the Halo and Alpha 1, so many companies have copied their design for one reason, they are amazing! no doubt in my mind in the top 5 park skis in existence, if not number 1. Crazy swing weight on them, the taper makes them spin unbelievably fast, and makes them waaay less prone to hooking up on butters and when tricks go wrong and you gotta wash it out. the taper is not a gimmick, its a brilliant design. rocker camber rocker makes the ski super playful, for the alpha 1 you can butter the shit out of them, but the camber keeps the ski very stable on any size jump (10-80ft). the sidecut is pretty easy to get used to, both skis sure as hell like to carve, super fun outside of the park (even though you wont be doing this)

I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THE ALPHA 1 AND HALO! ALPHA 1 WOULD BE MORE SUITED BECAUSE OF YOUR SIZE, HALO WOULD BE BUTTERIER, ALPHA 1 MORE STABLE.

im sure the on3p filthy rich is a great ski, but i promise it has nothing on the alpha 1 or halo. promise. these skis will improve your park skiing.
May 1 2012 4:13AM
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TheWakes.
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depends on what size you buy. if you buy what traditionally would be your size, the rocker will make them feel short. super easy on rails but jumps will be sketchier. if you buy the next size up, your jumps will be good, but they may feel longer on small rails. depends on what you like to do and what your resort has.
May 1 2012 6:04PM
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Mr_pretzel
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There is very little rocker on them.

The turn radius makes them short.
May 1 2012 6:09PM
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TheWakes.
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the rocker isnt extreme true, but the contact points are farther back, which in turn makes a shorter turn radius. so yes.
May 1 2012 6:11PM
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DUKES
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armada fucked up the sidecut. i think they need to start over by going with more traditional shape with the rocker, and longer lengths..............but they wont
May 1 2012 6:40PM
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james6345789
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I feel like a short turning radius wouldn't be the worst thing at my hill, they really cram features in. What do you guys think of the Alpha 1? It's more of a jump ski and has a less durable base, so that worries me.
May 1 2012 8:47PM
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DUKES
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it is stiffer but it would still butter pretty well. dont let race bases fool you. as long as you keep it maintained it will be as durable as any other base
May 1 2012 9:10PM
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mode2n
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Love my 170 Halo's so much, everything about them is perfect. Can't say much about ON3P other then all the hype I've heard over them here on NS
May 1 2012 10:21PM
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james6345789
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Damn this will be a touch decision. So the Alpha 1s should be a possibility too?
May 1 2012 11:22PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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I'd pick alphas over halos if only for the bases. so you wax them more often, big deal. I really like the sidecut of Armada skis with that shape, I happen to enjoy really short turning radiuses. I'm still hesitant to buy a rockered park ski cause I don't know how it feels on jersey stuff (used the skis elsewhere), but I'm sure it's just fine in slush. The ice is what i'm worried about, no sun = ice for sure.
May 2 2012 4:13PM
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Balto
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for good reason, on3p makes the best skis on the market, and many many many people will agree with that
May 2 2012 4:29PM
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james6345789
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What is your percentage for rails and jumps?
May 2 2012 4:30PM
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skithesprings
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I skied 182 alpha 1's which are faster and stiffer than the halos this past year and they're really, really sick skis for park skiing on firm snow. They handle big jumps, rails, anything, and the swing weight is noticeably less than any ski I have ever been on, but it all comes down to this, DO YOU LIKE NOLLIES? IF YES THEN DO NOT FUCKING BUY THESE SKIS, YOU CANNOT NOLLIE ON THEM BECAUSE THE TIPS ARE SO MELLOW AND NARROW THAT THEY DIG INTO THE SNOW LIKE BUTTER KNIVES.

And for that one reason I found myself hating the skis.
May 2 2012 4:43PM
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james6345789
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I don't do nollies much, if ever. I never hear anything about the Alpha 1s, they seem way underrated.
May 2 2012 4:53PM
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skithesprings
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don't get me wrong, they're fucking awesome, for everything and anything in the park... except for nollies. And boy do I love me some good nollies.

I'm going back to the ace of spades for next year as soon as the 2013's are available. Best park ski on the market right now.
May 2 2012 4:57PM
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Kreech
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Also what about the moment vice? They sound like a more symmetrical, full sidewall version of the halo/alpha 1.
May 2 2012 6:34PM
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james6345789
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But doesn't Moment's durability suck?
May 2 2012 7:22PM
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ALent
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sorry to thread jack, but how do the k2 recoils compare to halos and FRs? edges, weight, flex, carve?
May 2 2012 8:55PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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while it is true it can be a lot sketchier because of the small lift in the nose, you can get used to it and nollie as well as any other ski. you just have to really pay attention to what your doing.
May 2 2012 9:18PM
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phissong
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You should definitely go with halos over the alpha 1s if the biggest jumps you're hitting are around 35 ft. My halos held up fine on larger jumps and are also great on rails. They take a while to get uses to, but once you break them in they are super fun.
May 2 2012 9:21PM
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skithesprings
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nope. you're 100% wrong. you probably nollie like a bitch.
May 2 2012 10:43PM
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james6345789
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holy shit the new alpha 1s are ugly as fuck
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May 6 2012 7:11PM
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Rhys.Peice
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get filthy riches
May 7 2012 12:13AM
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_Jeffrey_
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i like them
May 7 2012 12:18AM
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mtuuuun
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I recently purchased this years Frs, and they are honestly the best skis I have ever tried. I have skied punx, ar6, afterbang, and these are so much better. They are super poppy, and feel so light on rails. At the same time they are stiff enough for the jumps. They feel very stable too. They do have a strange sidecut, which takes some time getting used to, but else than that, i love them! I cannot talk on the behalf of the durability since i have only owned them for a couple weeks, but if you ask others, you'll see that they will probably last seasons :)
May 7 2012 8:53AM
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james6345789
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Thanks!
May 7 2012 12:42PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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don't feel pressured to get a stiffer ski cause NS says soft skis suck for jumps. If the whole atomic team can do fine on punx than I think you're ok. Park skis are different from each other, but they're fucking skis. You can probably ski all of them just fine if you can actually ski.
May 7 2012 1:49PM
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james6345789
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And also, the jumps here aren't exactly big so stiffness shouldn't really make or break them
May 7 2012 4:29PM
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Dmarc
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same ive seen them in person they look sick

May 8 2012 12:18AM
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executrix
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What is the swing weight like on the FR's?? I am used to the punx which I know are super light but in comparison to other skis are the FR's going to feel heavy?????
Dec 7 2012 6:06AM
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Crispy.
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Low, they're super easy to swing around. My favorite part about the FR is that they are the most stable ski I have ever ridden. Do buy.
Dec 7 2012 7:27AM
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Urban.
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I think they look SICK!!!!!!!!
Dec 7 2012 8:07AM
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ianj
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I don't think so. I have a pair of 09 Jibs and they have 2 edge cracks and one little shot to the base. They still have TONS of pop left. I love Moment skis. I rode a pair of vices for a day last year (184) and they are sick skis. Buttery yet solid underfoot, outstanding flex. I totally recommend them.

inb4 Stose comes in and trash talks their durability
Dec 7 2012 9:35AM
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james6345789
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they are super light!
Dec 24 2012 12:19PM
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gpitcher
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I demo'd these skis and they were super fun. I had never had a ski with the early rise on them in the tip and tail. This made them a ton a fun when it came to carving and buttering. They are also a little less still than the alpha. I would also recommend that anyone else looking to get them should size up and get a little longer of a ski than normal due to the fact that not as much of the ski is touching the ground with the early rise. Overall, the quality is great, and they make a really nice in-between ski. Not that I recommend buying skis based on graphic, but they do look pretty sick as well.
Dec 25 2012 12:22AM
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