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Looking for filmer in Whistler..

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Olly_C
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Need somebody to film me in Whis/Black for the next couple of weeks. 11am-3/4pm. Will pay $50 a day..
Apr 19 2012 6:54PM
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lorax
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Wow, not to sound stupid but I honestly just thought that kids like eheath and downtofilm were just out filming their friends for fun. I mean I know eheath is trying to make a career out of videography, but isn't the down to film kid like 14?
Apr 20 2012 12:23PM
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Downtofilm
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15, almost 16. Just because I am young theirs no reason I should be offering my video skills that are of calibre of people that are in their 20's. I do film my friends for fun but I also need to make money to buy new gear.

Nick Earle "nick ski" or something like that on NS always bitches at me saying my mom pays for all of my gear, she cannot afford 1000$ tripods, lenses or cameras so I have to freelance to make my money and buy new gear to continue doing what I love.
Apr 20 2012 12:30PM
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Downtofilm
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theirs no reason I should be offering my video skills that are of calibre of people that are in their 20's for less than they're worth**
Apr 20 2012 12:32PM
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corona
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$50 bucks for 4-5 hours of "work" skiing and filming, you're 15 and you're turning that down because you think you're too good for that? Yea you're a bit of a bitch. And yes, age and experience make all the difference. It's like that in any industry, doesn't matter if you're on par you don't just start out in the industry and expect the same rates as the pros. Despite your orange name I would NOT consider you a pro. Pro being someone who makes a living off filming.

I bet any big name filmer right now would have killed to be payed over $10/hour to film skiing when they were 15.

If you're already expecting much more, you are going to soreley disappointed in life.
Apr 20 2012 12:56PM
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Justyle
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10:50 fool
Apr 20 2012 1:01PM
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bakedpow
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God iv never met you, but you come off as a complete douche...
Apr 20 2012 1:09PM
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jca
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if you had the choice between filming some random for $50 a day or filming a pro or someone likely more talented for $500 a day, which would you choose?

he will get way more exposure out of the more talented person and thus will get more business out of it. he would have to be insane to discount his services when there is still demand for his work.

Apr 20 2012 1:09PM
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corona
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provided he's being offered $500/day to film pros..
Apr 20 2012 1:11PM
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sweatshirt
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50 bucks is shit to spend his time with a random that he doesn't car about.. when speaking of not filming with friends it's a business and should be treated as such, he has the right to charge whatever rates he pleases
Apr 20 2012 1:28PM
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KapitolPhoto
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Sadly, experience doesn't pay bills.
Apr 20 2012 1:31PM
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corona
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and people have the right to think he's an idiot for thinking he can charge that much for being 15 and practically no experience.

If someone is going to spend $500/day theyr'e going to go with the 25-30 whose been filming since before DTF was born and has had shots in big productions and is really well known in the industry then the 15 year old with a couple years experience.

The whole point of beginners in any industry is they take the jobs that the big names turn down. If you work construction you're going to start out doing bitch work. If you're a lawyer you're going to start out doing the cases those with more experience don't want to take. If you're a filmer you don't all of a sudden expect to be payed $500/day to be filming for James Cameron or something when you're not even old enough to drive. NOT how it works.
Apr 20 2012 1:42PM
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KapitolPhoto
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*There's*
Apr 20 2012 1:46PM
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TheClap.
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lol guess your really not DTF
Apr 20 2012 2:12PM
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jca
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obviously he's going to take what he can get, and it seems like now get can get a lot more than $50 a day for freelance work. i doubt that he's just sitting around turning down offers like this and waiting for someone to pay him $500/day. While he might not be a big name, the production quality of his work is really high and I could certainly see people be willing to compensate him fairly for it.
Apr 20 2012 2:22PM
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A^frame
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I have to comment as a designer that is almost 30 and been to design school and worked in an industry for 6 years. Experience is the best marketing available, and jobs come from getting your name out there. When I was 15 I designed stuff out of passion. Clearly passion doesn't pay bills, but your porfolio is how you sell yourself. Take all jobs that are offered to you you when you are young, because you don't really have any bills yet. You never know if you could be filming the next Tom Wallnuts! You are never entitled to a certain salary and definitely not when you're 15.

Apr 20 2012 2:47PM
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Su[G]ar
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to Dwontofilm:

Your editing is not special at all, its all basic. Your camera use is pretty good, but thats easy if you have the right equipment, so nothing special there either. The songs you use are almost always songs everybody has heard before, many times.

So you are just a kid with good camera equipment that has learned the basics of editing.

Please do the world a favour and kill yourself.
Apr 20 2012 2:48PM
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Su[G]ar
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to Dwontofilm:

Your editing is not special at all, its all basic. Your camera use is pretty good, but thats easy if you have the right equipment, so nothing special there either. The songs you use are almost always songs everybody has heard before, many times.

So you are just a kid with good camera equipment that has learned the basics of editing.

Please do the world a favour and kill yourself.
Apr 20 2012 2:48PM
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ski0
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lol DTF has some pretty serious skills if you ask me... and he can charge as much as he wants.. his equipment is expensive and im sure his time is limited. I had no idea he was only 15 , he could have fooled me, i think his edits are sick. why dont u go kill urself u negative nancy
Apr 20 2012 2:55PM
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eheath
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this thread is dildos no one knows what they are talking about except the people from the film industry.
Apr 20 2012 2:57PM
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TheClap.
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I filmed a porno once and got a free bj
Apr 20 2012 3:04PM
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Tent
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He never said he's too good for that? He said its not enough to buy new equipment because his mom can't afford to help him so he has to buy his own stuff. And I would consider him 'pro' as his name appears in the credits of a few movies for additional footage. Just beacse he doesn't make his living off filming doesnt not make a pro? He is 15, he doesnt need to make a living off it.
Apr 20 2012 3:06PM
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whoa-dere
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"can you make the silhouette look more Asian?" "how do you print a video?"
Apr 20 2012 4:11PM
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=nick=
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seriously agree with DTF and eheath. zac is a hell of a videographer and what he charges is worth every penny. When you have the in depth knowledge and money invested in gear you have to charge a certain price to make it worth your time. $300-500 for a days work of filming or editing is a pretty fucking low price...so all you dumb ass kids bitching just shut the fuck up, you really don't know shit about the media industry.
Apr 20 2012 4:43PM
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eddy9
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This is interesting.
Apr 20 2012 4:55PM
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corona
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lol.

just out of curiosity I was looking how much Hollywood filmers get paid. They're make about $600/day for filming a massive budget TV shows and movies. Average yearly salary being about 60-70,000. Steadycam operators making about $1000/day. The really well established filmers get paid a lot more.

If you then think a 15 year old with a gopro filming skiing for $500/day is cheap then you are way off your rocker.



*I realize he has better equipment than a gopro*
Apr 20 2012 5:08PM
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Blurst
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I agree with this post for the most part but the only thing is that they probably do not have to pay for their equipment as well as school (in eheaths situation) and that is there full time gig.
Apr 20 2012 5:31PM
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TaranItUp
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And for all of you saying he needs the money for gear, yeah he needs money but at that rate you could have zacks whole set up filming for one week. I work 8 hours a week with full time school and soccer, I only make 8 dollars an hour and am still able to buy more equipment. With 50 dollars a day you would have more than enough money to upgrade the nonessentials.
Apr 20 2012 5:32PM
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t_rob
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The wage rate for filming skiing (action sports in general) is a hell of a lot lower than doing the same work basically everywhere else. We know what Level 1, PBP, and MSP full time filmers get paid and it's shit compared to what that person would be compensated for filming weddings, paino reticals, etc. You might have been paid X dollars in the past or done the math that your shot should be worth Y dollars filming something that wasn't skiing but no one is going to pay you that in skiing. You're only worth as much someone is willing pay you. Good luck saying your skills are worth Z dollars an hour and try to make it on the hill. Complaining about it won't make the industry pay you more especailly when there are a million kids who'd just about kill themselves for the oppurtunity to be behind the lens for PBP/MSP/L1.

Back to OP: You're willing to pay someone $50 an hour to film you skiing. If you're good enough, someone would do it for free.
Apr 20 2012 7:14PM
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ScooterLapooter
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50 a day is not worth it at all...
Apr 20 2012 7:24PM
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SSteezle
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50 dollars for a day isn't much but it's what he's willing to pay. I know there are plenty of good filmers out there that would take it. If I lived out there i'd talk about the details of the project and try and make something work. Although it's only 50 dollars, it's 50 dollars that your passing up on-- so unless you plan to make more money the day that he wants to film I see no reason not to take it
Apr 20 2012 7:25PM
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Downtofilm
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Woah woah woah, why is everybody so upset?

let me re-correct one of my statements, Skiing industry standard is not $500, I messed up a little, im sorry.

I dont know if you read one of my other statements, I have to go to school as much as I can, usually I can take 1-2 days off a week depending on what its for. So to take multiple days off to film some kid I dont even know is not the ideal situation for me unless he is paying me some good money.

@vinnyF I dont know why you're so upset.
Apr 20 2012 7:44PM
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TijmenDal
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Because you're not even slightly up to par with industry standards.
I mean, you're a good kid and good at what you do, but you're not going to be the new Berman, let's face it. You're doing good, but still have a LOT to learn. Just because you're better than most people (which doesn't say anything), doesn't mean you're 'pro'...

Also: your spelling is horrible. It's unprofessional and just makes you look stupid.
Apr 20 2012 8:01PM
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ThaLetterM.
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this thread makes my head hurt.
Apr 20 2012 8:05PM
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Bmo.
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have you ever filmed for a day and put an edit together? its a hard ass job. i think zac is making the right decision and not being a snob at all. he doesnt need the "extra experience" or the "extra exposure". $50 a day, especially to take off school, is not worth any filmers time
Apr 20 2012 8:29PM
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Downtofilm
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Not at all dude, im just trying to explain that I dont have time for it unless they have the money to pay for it.

Apr 20 2012 8:37PM
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Blurst
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This is actually a really interesting thread seeing the different perspective from regular skiers with no experience with filming and people who obviously do.

I cant comment on how much industry standard film prices are because I have no idea but what I can say is that at 15 your job is to go to school. Until you graduate highschool that should be basically your number 1 priority and if Zac feels like 50$ isnt enough money for him to essentially miss his "job" (school) and film some random kid who he has no prior affiliation with than it probably isnt worth his time.

And to anyone saying that his edits are "mediocre" that is total bullshit and you know it because he is consistently putting out some of the best edits all season long both quality of filming and editing.
Apr 20 2012 9:10PM
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lorax
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I wasn't hating, and well it makes sense, i just always thought most ski filmers were self paid and did it for fun, obviously I have no idea.
Apr 20 2012 9:22PM
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lorax
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DTFIYP
Apr 20 2012 9:24PM
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Bmo.
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you're right, we do it because its fun and we love it, but its expensive as fuck. every dime i make goes into my camera equipment, so as much as we'd love to do it for free, we cant
Apr 20 2012 9:27PM
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baz1
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THIS and ONLY this.



OP: I would have come filmed for you but I'm not in Whistler this spring. Sorry bud.

Oh and I would have done it for beer.
Apr 20 2012 9:32PM
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baz1
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http://www.labour.gov.bc.ca/esb/facshts/min-wage.htm


Apr 20 2012 9:33PM
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skiP.E.I.
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No need. And nice dub post.
Apr 20 2012 9:34PM
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dispatchQ_main
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Id take 50 bucks. Finding jobs as a kid is hard enough as it is. Luckily, the ski community is generally young. Most people looking for a job aren't going to brush you off as a kid even though you have the talent to the same job as a 'Pro'.

As said before networking is the best way to get jobs, even if it means these shitty jobs shooting someone you don't know.


Apr 20 2012 9:59PM
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finnafuckyobitch
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this is how you get $$$
DTF YOU'RE TOO LEGIT TOOO QUIT
GO PRO
DRO PRO
BLOW DRO

holla
Apr 20 2012 10:51PM
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corona
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Not upset, just dumbfounded that it appeared someone still in highschool was looking for an industry standard of $500/day to film someone skiing.

I think you're an excellent filmer and all, but I thought you were saying $500/day is what you work for, no less, and that is just not acceptable in my opinion.

When I was 15 if someone was going to pay me $50 for 4 hours of skiing to film them I would jump on that in a second. No questions asked. As would anyone else that age. Or even older. I'd definitely still do that now if I was a filmer and didn't have much else going on.
Apr 21 2012 12:39AM
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SKI.ING
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As much as I sympathize with your argument, we still have to look at the context of his filming. He isn't just filming skier friends for shits and giggles and for his own enjoyment. He is filming good skiers and puts out a product which he is paid for. Yes, he is young and it makes me extremely jealous haha. But nonetheless he has high quality work and so he has the right to turn projects down, especially in light of school duties.

Plus, if it were his close friend who wasn't even good at skiing, I'm sure he would film him. Just the context of the situation doesn't pan out. Sadly, this kid wasn't even asking for DTF, but this thread is interesting to see the perspectives of filmers, etc.
Apr 21 2012 1:15AM
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KillaSteeze
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i was told by my aunty in australia it was 21
Apr 21 2012 1:16AM
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jibbinc.
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shoot me a msg
Apr 21 2012 2:17AM
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.skiwi.
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I have been fully amazed at this thread, i have learnt so much
Apr 21 2012 2:32AM
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