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LIL-WAT
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Not sure if repost? most likely in that case flame me.

Guy gets schooled on religion.
Apr 15 2012 2:34AM
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Applejack
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There's no need for religion in the first place. Why do you need religion so badly to function?
Apr 15 2012 11:37PM
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PacificRimJob
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At the same time, telling people that their religion is baseless, absurd, and that they are wasting time believing in it is just as militant in some ways as those preaching it. Religion will eventually die out in society (people are leaving churches exponentially) Just let it kill itself.
Apr 15 2012 11:41PM
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WestWoods
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why do you not need it?
Apr 15 2012 11:41PM
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Bill.Nye
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Because your church and it's members spent $20 million dollars to wage a propaganda war against gay people in California. Until you stop doing stuff like that, don't talk about "why can't we just love." Fuck that hypocrisy.
Apr 15 2012 11:46PM
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1337
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the only positive part of religion IMO are some of the basic morals it teaches. Beyond that, there is nothing positive that has come from it.
Apr 15 2012 11:48PM
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Bill.Nye
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If you can't figure out that killing people is bad without the bible, you probably don't deserve to live on this planet anyway.
Apr 15 2012 11:50PM
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Amadeus.
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Having religion for the couple of morals it teaches is not needed. Some of the moral laws in leviticus are absurd and include things like if someone has sex on their period they should be stoned to death, and if you are working on sunday you should be killed. Do we really need a book like that to tell us whats right or wrong? not to mention it is absolutely insulting to suggest that we would all be raping and killing each other if it wasn't for the 10 commandments. (not to mention that contradicts with all the way more highly developed societies at the time that weren't associated with ancient palestine.) Morality is innate in us and their is no reason to have religion anymore. just as Alchemy is taken over by chemistry, and astrology is taken over by astronomy, religion is taken over by science
Apr 15 2012 11:54PM
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Squeenerd
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Being religious is totally positive. If there is a life after death, your beliefs will give you a greater chance of eternal life sir whatever happens. If there isn't a life after death, well at least you learned a few new things a long the way.
Apr 15 2012 11:55PM
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J_Christoph
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Man's search for meaning — whether in a Broadway penthouse or the darkest corner of hell — is the most basic building block of a successful life. Without a sense of purpose, many people will simply shrivel up and die, whether figuratively or, in some cases, literally.
Apr 15 2012 11:55PM
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WestWoods
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Look, I don't enter the ghettos of Compton screaming "I'M WHITE AND DESERVE AS MUCH STREET CRED AS THE LATIN KINGS!!!" then why are gays coming to an already established religion saying "change your beliefs for me" one does not simply change their beliefs that they have wished to stay firm in. Also you say "Then if you're a mormon man, don't marry another man." same thing if your into homosexuality, thats fine. Its their choice, just don't enter and try and change a church that's against homosexuality.
Apr 15 2012 11:56PM
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Squeenerd
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Also, morality is based solely off what society believes to be right and wrong
Apr 15 2012 11:58PM
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1337
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yup, definitely true.
Apr 15 2012 11:58PM
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Amadeus.
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no one is asking for the mormon church to change their beliefs. They are asking for the mormon church to stop asking the government to pass and promote laws in the churches favor.
Apr 16 2012 12:00AM
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Bill.Nye
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NO ONE IS TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR CHURCH

Your church is trying to change our SECULAR government. If mormons don't like gay marriage then they don't have to perform marriage ceremonies for gays, that's fine. I don't run into synagogues and throw bacon at the people there, but if they try and get it banned from the grocery store, we're gonna have a fucking problem. Same goes for Mormonism and gays; if they don't like it, they don't have to do it, but they spent $20 million dollars (a shiiiiiiiiitload of money) on preventing gay people in california from getting married. When you do shit like that, you lose ANY RIGHT to play the "live and let live" card.

If you can't understand this, you are fucking stupid.
Apr 16 2012 12:00AM
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PacificRimJob
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Wait what the fuck?

the government of a state says "it's cool if you're gay and you want to marry" and so the LDS wants to go at war with that in a country who's constitution includes a separation of church and state...

I think its more the Mormons getting in and trying to change the fundamental morals of the USA more than gays trying to infiltrate the LDS and fuck with their game...


Apr 16 2012 12:01AM
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Bill.Nye
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I thought mormons believed morality was based on what god says is right and wrong?
Apr 16 2012 12:03AM
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GayWolf420
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What if god was one of us? Just a stranger on a bus?
Apr 16 2012 12:04AM
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PacificRimJob
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doo doo doooo dooo do do doooo...

dooo dee durp durpa deee.
Apr 16 2012 12:05AM
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Amadeus.
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Apr 16 2012 12:05AM
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J_Christoph
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#modern revelation
Apr 16 2012 12:07AM
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WestWoods
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We believe its wrong... why not protest it. It is a free country we live in, if others don't agree 'simply' say no, and we will respect the ruling, while still keeping our belief. We aren't waging war. War is bad haha but we believe it, so we are going to try and live it and spread it as is expected. Shoot Im friends with gay people, I've told them I'm mormon and that I don't agree with it, but they are still great people. We as a church just want to provide an image of pure reproduction and creation of life, with husband and wife. We where born with penises and Vaginas, if thats not a sign that men should be with women, i don't know what is. I also don't understand why your getting so angry and calling us stupid :(

while again, we are only stating what WE believe, you don't have to accept it, just don't show us disrespect we don't deserve.
Apr 16 2012 12:10AM
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WestWoods
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hahahahahaha Theron one of my favorite members!
Apr 16 2012 12:14AM
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Squeenerd
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I really must compliment you on your arguements, they really get me thinking. But anyways, are God's definitions of right and wrong really different than society's definitions of right and wrong?
Apr 16 2012 12:14AM
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WestWoods
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Someone please post John Mayers "belief"

the song pretty much states that belief is in charge of all that happens in life, even the lack of believing is like a belief in it's sense, and that other vs. other beliefs will always contradict and cause contention.

It's a good song perfect for this thread lol
Apr 16 2012 12:18AM
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J_Christoph
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Well, God's definitions (very very right definitions) are definitely better than worldly definitions
Apr 16 2012 12:19AM
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Amadeus.
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omfg yes! You are right! We live in a free country. A secular republic meaning none of your religious ideas will ever get public preference. you have your religion and the right to keep it to yourself but it is unconstitutional for the government to endorse it so stop trying.

Also being gay is completely natural. There are even gay animals in the world like the gay penguins at the central park zoo lol. The science that has gone into researching homosexuality and things like the "gay gene" has shown that being a gay really isn't a choice. Its pretty obvious too, sometimes from a really early age before any knowledge of sexual orientation reaches a child they show signs of being effeminate or liking boys etc. etc.

Why don't you extend you "can't we just love" message to gays instead of calling them sinners and condemning them to eternal damnation ?
Apr 16 2012 12:21AM
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EmperorKuzco
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Fuck I hate religion. "oh
Apr 16 2012 12:21AM
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Squeenerd
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Not to be contradictory, but that's what a religious person will believer. While a religious person will see the worlds morals being evil and unrighteousness, a non religious person will see a religious person's values as absurd and wrong
Apr 16 2012 12:23AM
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EmperorKuzco
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Continuing... "oh I don't agree with it so that means it had to be against the law" fuck that give me one good reason why gays shouldnt have just as much rights than everyone else. And don't fucking say oh because god said so or I will flip shit.
Apr 16 2012 12:24AM
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J_Christoph
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In the case of homosexuality, the inherited traits that are more common among male homosexuals might include a greater than average tendency to anxiety, shyness, sensitivity, intelligence, and aesthetic abilities. But this is speculation. To date, researchers have not yet sought to identify these factors with scientific rigor. What the majority of respected scientists now believe is that homosexuality is attributable to a combination of psychological, social, and biological factors.

Apr 16 2012 12:25AM
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Amadeus.
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Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

^those are gods definition of things that are right? Do you or anyone in civil secular western society think any of that is moral? no because we are educated.
Apr 16 2012 12:26AM
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WestWoods
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Okay in the most dramatic sense, if everyone was gay, then the world would end. Eveyone would eventually die off, how can I support something that would end the earths population, killing, disease. all end population. I don't care for any of it. How could I love that kind of act, I love the people, like I said some are my friends.
Apr 16 2012 12:27AM
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Applejack
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I went to go eat and I come back to this prepackaged, absurd, barely applicable and wholly ironic display of regurgitated rhetoric?

Here's the thing, J, you said Man's search for mean is the most basic fundament of successful life. Well, we'll go Sam Harris' route in rhetorical line of questioning here:

"I challenge you to think of a question upon which we have had a scientific answer, however inadequate, but for which now the best answer is a religious one."

You tell me it's the most basic building building block? Then you are retarding Man's pursuit for meaning by investing in fairytales and false logic that embitters and disenfranchises your fellow man because you cannot comprehend what it means to work hard to understand the world around you.
Apr 16 2012 12:28AM
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Bill.Nye
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Quoting individual lines for clarity again

"We believe its wrong... why not protest it."

That's fine, but you lose the right to say things like "why can't we all just get along" and "stop trying to change my religion." If your religion is going to try to change my government, it's no longer sacrosanct. If you are going to play in the public arena, don't complain about public criticism and disapproval.

"It is a free country we live in"

Then why shouldn't gay people be allowed to marry? You're talking out of both sides of your ass.

"if others don't agree 'simply' say no, and we will respect the ruling, while still keeping our belief. "

Except you don't, because public opinion in California was in favor of gay marriage being kept legal until a $20 million dollar campaign of lies was waged by the mormon church.

"We as a church just want to provide an image of pure reproduction and creation of life"

Then do that **as a church** and don't try to make it the law **of the state.**

"We where born with penises and Vaginas, if thats not a sign that men should be with women, i don't know what is."

We were also born with assholes and mouths, but for some reason your religion doesn't like us playing with those ones.

"I also don't understand why your getting so angry and calling us stupid"

Because you're being stupid.

"while again, we are only stating what WE believe, you don't have to accept it"

EXCEPT YOUR CHURCH AND IT'S MEMBERS ARE SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO MAKE EVERY PERSON IN CALIFORNIA ACCEPT IT WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT!!

You are trying to have it both ways and you don't seem to realize it, and THAT'S why I'm calling you stupid.
Apr 16 2012 12:28AM
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Applejack
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*ing
Apr 16 2012 12:29AM
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PacificRimJob
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20 bazillion gold dabloons says that there are a shitload of closeted gay mormons.
Apr 16 2012 12:29AM
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J_Christoph
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#modern revelation....read up on it
Apr 16 2012 12:30AM
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J_Christoph
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#modern revelation....read up on it
Apr 16 2012 12:30AM
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Bill.Nye
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Well let's put it this way; I think we could both agree that society's views of right and wrong have changed massively over time and also vary from region to region. So, have god's morals also changed? Are we now more in sync with god's morals than we once were, or are we less in sync?
Apr 16 2012 12:31AM
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Applejack
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Then why are gays still persecuted by your church if Modern Revelation is the Church's policy?
Apr 16 2012 12:32AM
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Amadeus.
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yeah, the omnipotent and all knowing god was wrong the first time...
Apr 16 2012 12:33AM
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Bill.Nye
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First of all, nothing you said there precludes homosexuality being a choice.

Second of all, NARTH is a group which goes AGAINST the mainstream scientific consensus when it comes to homosexuality. Every major scientific and medical organization in a relevant field disagrees with the idea of "reparative therapy" when it comes to homosexuality and states that homosexuality is not something that needs to be "cured" or "repaired," and that attempts to do so are psychological harmful.
Apr 16 2012 12:36AM
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Amadeus.
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btw for all the mormons out there. do you wear the magic underwear? Also whats the name of the planet you guys are gonna rule over when you die?
Apr 16 2012 12:36AM
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PacificRimJob
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GOD IS TOTES REAL, I SAW IT ON INDIANA JONES!!!

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Apr 16 2012 12:37AM
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WestWoods
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Im gonna crash, I'll try and be back tomorrow, also if you think religion is stupid then the members are going to coincide in stupidity in your mind, Im not stupid just firm, as you are. haha and honestly I've talked to higher authority and when it comes to your body after marriage sexual relations between husband and wife can be completely up to and between the two. We aren't evil people, accept the fact we are good wholesome people, and quit thinking we are trying to geniside anything that goes against us hahaha Goodnight everyone. everyone love everyone!!!


Apr 16 2012 12:39AM
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Squeenerd
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I agree. But rather than God's morals being changed, I would say they have been updated. And it's not for me to say whether we are more or less in sync
Apr 16 2012 12:41AM
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J_Christoph
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you clearly want to argue and you have a lot of questions so go ahead and find all your answers

oh yeah and,
http://www.lds.org/ensign/1995/10/same-gender-attraction?lang=eng

Apr 16 2012 12:42AM
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WestWoods
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There called garments, and I think I will name my planet Tommy Walnuts. Goodnight ;)
Apr 16 2012 12:43AM
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PacificRimJob
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Love everyone. Except gays. Fuck that shit... we can't have that kinda love because it's not real or anything like that.

quick! another state is thinking about legalizing 'sodomy based marriage!' (what some within the LDS mormon church call it) SEND ALL THE MONEY WE RAISED FROM OUR CHURCHMEMBERS TO COMBAT THIS BLASPHEMY!!
Apr 16 2012 12:44AM
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Bill.Nye
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Congratulations, you are the dumbest person I've ever met (for all the reasons I've already outlined).
Apr 16 2012 12:44AM
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