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I highly suggest you check this out - Chris Martenson's Crash Course

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miroz
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This is pretty nuts. It's all about how our current way of life is completely unsustainable. The creator, Chris Martenson, puts it in terms of the economy, energy, and environment, and unfortunately it is painfully clear that he's right. It's logic.

If you consider the fact that this guy was once a VP at Pfizer and switched over to doing stuff like this [this series took him 4 years to make], you'll get a sense for a) his intelligence, and b) the scope of his thoughts. I called it "fear mongering" for a while (as I figure many may) but when you get to the, the picture comes together quite clearly. It's based on very concrete truths.

WARNING: THIS TAKES TIME AND ATTENTION TO WATCH (perhaps overestimating NSG)

45 minute version:
http://www.chrismartenson.com/page/crash-course-one-year-anniversary

Longer version:
http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse

Even if you watch just the intro...at least do that. If you have the time, watch the whole thing. I'm no economics guy [me = engineering] so even the stuff about inflation was new to me, but the rest I found very relevant and I'm sure others will have interesting things to say about all parts of it.

Enjoy, get learned.

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Apr 12 2012 11:32PM
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threads for after work tomorrow
Apr 12 2012 11:33PM
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miroz
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http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse/chapter-19-future-shock

This one is the first video in the series to start summarizing. If you're REALLY lazy (please don't be, you might get lost real quick) just start here.
Apr 12 2012 11:36PM
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steezbox
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Putting this in my threads. And bookmarking it. I've started to do a lot of thinking and research about the lack of sustainability of our species.
Apr 12 2012 11:44PM
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e.wait
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Nothing will change until it's too late sadly.
Apr 12 2012 11:46PM
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edai
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This is sort of how I feel.

I'll be watching the chapters over the course of the next week or so, bumping this thread with my thoughts on each chapter respectively. Looks pretty interesting, but definitely some material that requires a cool, relaxed, solemn environment to do some hard thinking.
Apr 13 2012 12:03AM
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Krokodile
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At first I thought he was gonna be one of those ultra-liberal "Stop all oil drilling save the environment make everything wind powered" people but the guy actually had a pretty in-depth, nearly unbiased analysis of our current state of affairs and how perpetually fucked we are.
Apr 13 2012 12:18AM
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ThaBug
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Very true
Apr 13 2012 12:24AM
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captainEMERICA
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I disagree. I have yet to watch the video bear in mind but I feel that as we exhaust our current unsustainable situation new solutions will present themselves. With lots of people suffer during the transition? Yes. Will it be the end of the world? No. I guess in a nutshell I believe in the power of humanity. But only when there is one single incentive motivating the world over. This is a situation we have yet to see. But I digress.
Apr 13 2012 12:35AM
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miroz
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Technically, it already is too late (gotta watch the video). This shit's been progressively getting worse for a while...

But also, one thing that is perfectly clear both today and historically is that we (the US, politicians, the masses, etc) will fight to preserve the status quo. The easy answer is chosen first, even if it isn't the best. So I'm afraid that unless we get lucky, it's gonna be too late before anything happens because that "anything" involves restructuring our entire society (again, watch video).
Apr 13 2012 12:41AM
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JIBpsy^^
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Threads, even though we know its coming people will refuse to believe or at least do anything till shit hits the fan. A lot of people are going to die in poor countries and shit. I take comfort that i live in the US and come from a upper middle class family.
Apr 13 2012 12:45AM
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DaysToCome
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Thats fucked but it wouldnt surprise me either
Apr 13 2012 2:06AM
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JamesR
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That's not true. Earth can more than support the current population. There is more than enough usable land and resources to feed and shelter everyone. The only reason people are starving to death currently is because they're being oppressed by brutal and corrupt governments. It's like you see the pictures of the Ethiopians starving to death in mud huts in the desert. Well, they were forced there. People overcrowding slums in India? Fewer job opportunities due to corruption. And population doesn't grow exponentially. Population has followed the same pattern in every country as they've progressed through agricultural, industrial, and then information revolutions wherein the birth rate steadily rises to a point and then decreases until it equals or even falls under the death rate (e.g. Japan). It's really an overblown issue that people have been saying is going to cause a catastrophe for the last couple hundred years. Kind of like the how the end of times is always just around the corner.
Apr 13 2012 2:22AM
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edai
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Quarantine Africa. Nuke. Re-build?
Apr 13 2012 2:46AM
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JamesR
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If you cut the Earth up into little pieces you can find areas where that's the case. But if you take our planet as a whole, there are enough resources. You've got to ask why those people don't just move. And that's because they've been subjected to historical and contemporary oppression. Wealth, education, and opportunity have been denied to them by brutal hierarchies. Take that in conjunction with laws put in place by other governments that hugely restrict immigration. It's not a resource problem, it's a government problem.
Apr 13 2012 9:27AM
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miroz
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Technically...the US isn't as first world as we think. Our infrastructure is falling apart (aka is not up to first world standards) and the vast majority of the population lives with far less wealth than we think they do.

If/when our economy collapses due to lack of resources, too much debt, not enough energy, etc, things are going to get mighty interesting here, too. We're in uncharted territory; we may be seeing a complete overhaul of our economic system and currency, and that's just the beginning. Our dollars won't buy what they used to.
Apr 13 2012 10:30AM
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las.
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lol
Apr 13 2012 11:32AM
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cottage_steeze
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mah dreads
Apr 13 2012 11:35AM
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miroz
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bump
Apr 13 2012 1:13PM
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