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Sell/trade is a mess

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steezyjibber
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For real. Idk if i'm just crazy or if anyone else feels this way. I don't like the sell/trade forum. I liked it better when it was called ski equipment. Two reasons why I don't like it:

1. There's way too much stuff.
-I click this forum and all i see is JIBERISH JIBERISH SAGA SAGA. Tons of threads makes it hard to read anything and find what you want.

2. I don't go in it when I'm looking for stuff to buy.
-I use the WTB forum. It's way easier than looking through the mess. To me, clicking the sell/trade forum is like walking into a candy store with a dollar and telling yourself you won't buy anything......

3. Crazy amounts of bumping
-Self explanitory. I've had to bump my thread like seven times and haven't gotten a single offer on the jacket i have for sale, which i think is a great price.

Maybe it's just the explosion in the freestyle skiing industry, and we can't do anything about it.

And anyone remember when a callout thread was something rare to see? "Oh shit, a callout thread" was kinda what used to go through my mind. Now, a callout thread is kinda normal, sadly. Maybe we should make it so you have to have some credentials before buying and selling? I've seen this on other forums.

/end semi-rant. discuss!!!
Mar 30 2012 9:14PM
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Enstrut
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I myself am guilty of bumping, but it is hard to get my ad noticed with everyone else doing it. I totally get it.

 I never had made a thread like this:

FS:~~~****MMASSIVE SPRING+++SALE"""""JIBERISH/SAGA/ARMADA/LINE&&****\

My sale threads are always clean so they dont always get the most attention. for example:

FS: Armada / Oakley / POC / Saga

it just keeps the catagory looking clean. And dont get me started with all the call out threads. Its like if the kid has 4 posts, been a member for 2 weeks, no feedback and low karma, dont buy from him/her. is it really that hard to figure out?

Mar 31 2012 8:58AM
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steezyjibber
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yes yes and yes. Maybe there should be a format for your thread title. Like something where you can only say the brand, product type, and size for sale, and no caps. Example:

Oakley Major Jacket / XL

Armada T-Halls / 171

Giro Shiv Helmet / L

Mar 31 2012 9:32AM
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Enstrut
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thats goddam genious. we need some mods in here to take a look
Mar 31 2012 9:49AM
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I_Am_Mod
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Right now moderation in sell/trade is a bit of a grey zone, we've been discussing this among the mods for some time now...

What would you guys think of some further splitting of Sell/Trade into sub sections (most obvious would be hardware/software, but can be as specific as you want)

And also strict enforcing of standard formats, ie. listing objects in the title, posting real pictures of the goods (no stock photos) no feelers, clear prices

and last; doing something about the ridiculous amount of bumping, although we're not sure how to do this/enforce this ...
Mar 31 2012 10:15AM
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Enstrut
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I would love to see more splitting but I dont think I would like to see it become Kijiji or ebay where people have to post all the required info, maybe a step down from those would be good. like pictures description, price, and some sub catagorization.

Mar 31 2012 10:25AM
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doitbig
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I agree with I_Am_Mod and everyone else. The thing I hate is the vague titles. post what you actually have for sale! not "HUGE SPRING TIME SALE SAGA STUFFFFFS" when really it's "2010 Saga Jacket" for a shitty price.

It used to be if you had good stuff for a fair price it would sell no problem. This has sadly changed, and with the influx of new members there should be a better opportunity to sell, not worse. Something needs to change.
Mar 31 2012 10:52AM
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steezyjibber
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first off i have to say glad everyone feels like i do, so far.

i think splitting into sub sections is not a bad idea in theory. but i think NS is already more confusing than it used to be, and that could possibly just make it more confusing. idk. maybe worth a try tho.

strict enforcing of standard formats -- yes. this would keep the non-serious sellers away. YES.

as for the bumping, not really sure what to think about that either. maybe it's just something that has to happen. who knows.
Mar 31 2012 10:56AM
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doitbig
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It seems like a lot of the bumping is due to +k. new members think they just need to head over to B/S/T, bump a few threads, and they accepted. personally i will only bump a sale for a great deal, or a proper format.
Mar 31 2012 11:01AM
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Enstrut
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Mar 31 2012 11:03AM
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.RYAN66
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The splitting of sections needs to happen. I hate going into s/t any more it's such a mess.
Mar 31 2012 11:16AM
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Keith.
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delete section to get all threads out. Remake with some good stickies explaining new rules. Delete every thread that doesn't follow them. And It will actually be manageable because you can pretty much monitor them as they go in since there will be so few. Then put a limit on bumping so people actually start buying banner ads cause no one sees a point atm. Just what I'm thinking would be the easiest course of action if this does happen. Obviously a lot of people will get pissed cause not all threads are made badly, but they'll get over it lol
Mar 31 2012 11:24AM
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SSteezle
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damn it would be so dope if newschoolers could create an auction type system that allows people to list items for 7 days or so and the best auction on gear wins-- just like ebay but only for the NS community.

i feel like that would be super hard coding and such but it'd be pretty awesome
Mar 31 2012 1:34PM
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Big5hifty
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something that bothers me which was slightly mentioned above is new members with like 30 posts bumping 20 threads in BST (and occasionally WTB) within 3 minutes to up their post count and to try to get karma.
if i see someone do this, even if they're bumping my thread i give them -k since thats the most harm i can do to them over the internet. i understand that people bumping their own thread might be a gray area, but i put this in a similar situation to scroll bombing in a thread.
just my 2 cents though.
Mar 31 2012 9:06PM
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This, I see it as we have just outgrown the forum format for buying and selling. Wasn't a classifieds section of sorts attempted once?
Mar 31 2012 9:42PM
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Dr.Gonzo
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b/s/t is fucked up, and always will be. thats the best part of it.
Mar 31 2012 9:45PM
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james6345789
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hire more mods to monitor b/s/t
Mar 31 2012 10:35PM
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remster
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This would be so mean, but so hard to do

Apr 1 2012 4:10AM
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lukewalnuts
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if everyone would put their info in this thread I'd be down to make a thread in sell/trade...


thoughts?
Apr 1 2012 11:08AM
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steezyjibber
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i think another problem though is that there are already 4 (i think?) stickies in sell/trade that probably 80% of people haven't read
Apr 1 2012 11:47AM
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skiRay
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first off let me say that i agree with pretty much everything in this thread and have the same problems myself (right now with 2 threads in fact)

threads should be SIMPLE as they can possibly be. when they are made in sell/trade, maybe there should be some sort or online form to fill out to keep it simple? and to prevent anyone from making absurd thread titles with all the symbols in Gods universe...

to quote Ben, yes, something needs to be done about noobs (or even others) that havent read the stickies. i was going to propose this a while ago but i thought it was almost too extreme, but if here:

if someone wants to join NS, even if they dont post or anything like that, i think that there needs to be a way to assure that they have read stickies and any other information related to them .

think when you "accept terms and agreements" when you register for an email account, or buy something on itunes. but there should a link to stickies that they should read, or just the information copied to a form.

obviousl they wouldnt have to read the whole thread, but just one paragraph or original post.

given the fact that they could just click accept and not read anything, like most poeple do, there needs to be a way to assure that the rules have been read. - i have no idea how this could be done without pissin people off


Apr 1 2012 3:15PM
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5 question quiz? smart style of BST?
Apr 1 2012 3:34PM
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skiRay
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something like that yeah. more than 5 questions though.

Apr 1 2012 4:56PM
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I_Am_Mod
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You don't get paid ?
Apr 1 2012 5:32PM
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I_Am_Mod
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ok, i was about to get worried !

since i'm still a bit of a rookie mod i still have to do with about 35k/year .... :(

FML !
Apr 1 2012 5:58PM
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I_Am_Mod
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i know!
Everyday i go to work scared that bishy is going to fire me because i haven't permabanned enough kids :(

luckily today i had a good excuse and permabanned like a dozen ppl for april fools ! muhahahah !
Apr 1 2012 6:04PM
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Blake.P
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what also is a problem is when somebody makes a thread like "WTB ..." in S/T, and the first sentence is something like "I know this is should be in BST but nobody ever goes there..."
I think that should be grounds for a ban because they admit to knowing the rules and still disregarding them anyways
Apr 1 2012 6:56PM
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.RYAN66
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agreed completely.



also i thought mods got paid in hookers and blow....
Apr 1 2012 10:08PM
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skitheWest.
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yes. no feelers. clear prices. must have real pictures to create thread. no CAPS in title. Could even just split up "Sell" and "Trade". and you should only be able to bump your thread once a day
Apr 1 2012 11:19PM
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skitheWest.
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accept I'm not sure how you would enforce that...
Apr 1 2012 11:20PM
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steezyjibber
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like everything i'm reading
Apr 1 2012 11:39PM
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skiRay
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if things get cleaned up and start to flow a lot better, then yes i for sure agree

also continuing on with what i mentioned about having some sort of questionairre or quiz: two questions should be:

Q: where do you go to buy boots? A: bootfitter/ shop (just becasue the amount of boot threads is unbelieveable, and the fact that all these kids just think a boot will fit. i liked boots better when they werent "steezy" and just were boots.

Q: who is matt harvey? A: the godfather. inspired by this thread:
https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/553611/

Apr 2 2012 12:47AM
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steezyjibber
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yes like What is the better boot buying option?

A. Buying online and saving 10 dollars
B. Buying in a shop and getting your boots fit
Apr 2 2012 12:52AM
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steezyjibber
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just went in there to try to look for something and realized it was useless because i would never find it!
Apr 2 2012 9:44AM
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skiRay
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yes, somehting like that but with even more options
Apr 2 2012 9:48AM
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JStrathern
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I don't know where the old thread(s) on this is but I have always wanted to have a type of form for people to fill out when making a thread where they put the brand, size, color, and then a picture. And then the thread would be perfectly organized and all threads would be uniform and easy to look through.
Apr 2 2012 1:14PM
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steezyjibber
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Perfect
Apr 2 2012 2:22PM
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uni-corn
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An easier, effective method to enforce something like this is have new BST rules in the ToS and a clause stating that thready will be deleted, no questions asked, if not followed. So if someone gets pissed that their threads are getting deleted, Mod comes back and informs them that they agreed to said Terms of Service.
Apr 3 2012 9:48PM
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steezyjibber
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i honestly think there should be a jiberish/saga only section. that jiberish thread takes up a quarter of the sell/trade page alone.
Apr 3 2012 10:05PM
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lukewalnuts
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I really like how strictly supreme does their marketplace, so organized...


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Apr 3 2012 10:18PM
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steezyjibber
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DUDE I WAS JUST THINKING THIS
Apr 3 2012 10:24PM
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lukewalnuts
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and then we can have jiberish, saga, etc in other sub forms
Apr 3 2012 10:41PM
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uni-corn
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Won't work.
Apr 3 2012 11:03PM
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1337
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yeah because this would work for newschoolers which sells a shit load more than just clothing
Apr 3 2012 11:22PM
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cwphoto
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i dont know how the old BST was, but if all of the threads were easier to find things, i think it would help. like others said if it was just brand and size in title, then clear pics and a basic description would be good in the thread. a classified section could be cool too. i have refered some other non-NS'ers to BST to buy a first ski, and they told me they had a hard time to find things
Apr 3 2012 11:38PM
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Rachy
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Women's or small size section would be amazing!

Or maybe just separating by size... sm/m/l/gangster but by small... 160 skis, 23 boots, men's small jackets/women's sizes and so forth. Then there could be a no size section, goggles, beanies, ski bags and what not could go there. Then maybe a general street ware section... that would make for 6 sub threads.
Apr 4 2012 1:47AM
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lukewalnuts
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doesn't have to be clothes...


for example, skis, and then in sizes you got 150-160, 160-170, etc

same thing could go for boots

and then just a miscellaneous shit type of thing
Apr 4 2012 7:39AM
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skiRay
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yes exactly. something along these lines
Apr 4 2012 1:48PM
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skiRay
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there are so many ways the s/t can be categorized if you were to set it up like how it is in that picture thats the thing. it would take a ton of work to make accurate and easy sections to use.
Apr 4 2012 1:51PM
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doitbig
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^he also posted in my "Karma Rape for WTB in B/S/T" that he reduced my karma.  obviously he is a bit confused, as the thread has >100,000 views and WTB threads in the wrong forum have seemingly decreased.
Apr 4 2012 2:35PM
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uni-corn
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Oh I never said it was going to be easy. I just figured I would offer my two cents on the idea.
Apr 10 2012 9:40AM
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