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Line's insert idea could be bad for the industry
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Okay first off I'm going to say that I think the insert idea is so fucking awesome and I don't understand why ski companies haven't picked up on it in the last 50 years especially since it became popular in snowboarding. But anywho to my point.
I think Line's jumping into this idea alone could potentially be bad for the industry. I asume that LIne has put a patent on this idea as any smart company would. Unfortunately where does this leave everyone else. Now if anyother company wants to try inserts they will have to pay Line a lot or come up with a different pattern. A different pattern you say, yes. And that's no good for anyone. If ever company is forced to come up with different patterns then there will be no standardization. Burton did the same thing a while back with their 3 hole pattern. Fortunatly the other companies go together and created the standard 4 hole patern that is now on every board except Burton. Unfortunately I don't see this coming together of the companies happening in skiing. There are too many big greedy companies out there who won't want this happening eventough it is very convenient for the customer. So if every company has their own pattern then we're right back where we started not being able to interchange bindings between skis except for within the same brand. Maybe I'm wrong and everyone will play nice but I just don't see that happening.
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I guess only time will tell. Line has dumped a lot on time and money into this. I hope the binding is welcomed and when people see that the binding works and is super functional it will grow. The binding has won a ton of awards already.
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whats inserts?
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Maybe line just wants you to buy line skis exclusively, huh?
No, other ski companies will never pay line to use line's design because they will want to develop and test their own system whey their name is on the line.
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They have the plate for people to use the binding on other skis too.
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K2.... more involved than you think?
the system will take off, the 4 hole pattern makes the most sense when you factor ski flex, binding performance and interchangability
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what you mean k2 more involved than you think?
i want info.
If so my friend has a pair of PE's and they held up pretty well, that would sure as hell give me some decent confidence in the bindings. If thats what you meant. It early in the morning, im shutting up now
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the tyrolia head system and the atomic bindings are both extremely similar to the line binding system with one point that theyre attatched to the ski in the middle and the rest of the binding being free and flexy, they just arent as easily interchangable as lines binding
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does anyone have problems with there binding screws coming loose like on snowboards? that would be the biggest concern with me, imagine going off of a booter and you rip your bindings out of your skis because two of the screws came loose. it seems like a pain in the ass because you would have to be tightening them all the time just like snowboard bindings
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actually the only problem that I've heard of (and its a theoretical one until more people have skied the reactors, is that the mount point (the only point of connection) is under the center of your foot. The reason this is problematic is in the ability to pressure the tip. While this isn't a major concern in park skiing, outside the park it is. However, if needed, Line could always change the pattern and allow greater tip pressure, while maintaining the quick change ability of their binding.
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^ that makes sense
i'll just have to see for myself i guess
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yeah, you are turning your ski with just the very center of your boot. it seems like 2 4 hole inserts would be better, but then again i am a dumbass
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Well actually the Tyrolia system and the LINE pivogy system are quite similar, they weigh about 12 pounds each. Seriously though, it is a good idea that will be continuously refined. I tried an earlier version, so I cannot yet comment fully on the commercial production models.
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^That's interesting. I hadn't heard that before but I does make sense.
Yeah I think that they made an adapter plate for all othe skis is a good idea. But an adapter plate ads more weight and also lifts the binding which isn't good of park skiing.
I know other companies have their binding plates but those suck and they are only on some skis. I want something that is built into every ski. I'm just worried that there won't be a standard system.
Yeah I figured K2 might get in on this since they have the 4 hole pattern for their tele skis. It worked out very well for tele skis. K2 is the highest selling tele company so when the started doing the four hole pattern they did it for G3 bindings which are the most popular bindings. So basically they forced companies to standardize to that four hole pattern since there use to be like 10. So hopefully things will go along those line for alpine but with just Line doing it they don't have much influence in the industry.
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well, i've been riding the reactors for two seasons, and i've never had the screws back out. also, they're fine to pressure the tip...... yes, the bindings are only attached at the center, but they're still making contatct along the entire length of the binding. the binding plate flexes with the ski............. so you've still got full control over the ski. i've had them on a pair of darksides for 2 seasons, and i ride hard. they've more than held up. if i had the $$$$ i'd easily buy another pair. but the great thing is, that i'm going to spend that $$$ on a pair of chronics, instead of bindings. and i'll just switch em out! WOO!!!!
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I would ride the reactor with lines only I don't think the freedom plate conversion with just 4 holes again would hold of tome thc, foam skis but line has the right idea just lower the prices damn.
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Are you serious? $50 for the brake that's just a fucking rip off. It's a little piece of bent metal and a spring.
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you don't need the freedom plate for line skis silly man, it's for skis without the inserts already in them.
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For the record, we offered and are still offering our insert pattern to every ski manufacturer...big or small. We're not forcing you to ride our binding, and infact with the ability to mount any other binding to our skis or to use a freedom plate to mount our binding to other skis, we're giving you more options than anyone.
I'm all for a standard set up like snowboards where you can buy any ski/binding combo and have superior strength/retention and interchangeability no matter what brand you choose to rock.
With regards to pressuring the tip, the binding mounts in the middle, but still contacts the ski in a large enough platform that you have no problem with pressuring the ski...ask Pollard, Bibby, Coker, Becker, etc.
Oh yeah, and Ryan, our binding might be heavy, but I'd rather be on it than a marker.
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Line approached other companies about their projects patents before they released the reacotor binding, companies youve prolyl never heard of, like Fels Skis
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