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More views on video's?

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S-TownSkier
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How do you get more views on videos you upload? I made this edit a couple weeks back and barely got any views but all good ratings. Any Help?


Mar 5 2012 1:46PM
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corona
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I think people tend to click on edits from orange names or well known members a lot more than others.
Mar 5 2012 2:42PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Also, you should really focus on sharing your NS video through Facebook. Get others to comment, like and share that video on their own pages. Encourage people on NS to hit the 'like' button.

That helps promote it externally a great deal.


Mar 6 2012 3:12PM
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Mr_pretzel
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Share it on facebook. And upload it at the right time of day.


Also that kid should get his forward pressure checked.
Mar 6 2012 4:10PM
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WillStart
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it would be nice if linking the NS video page on facebook would automatically embed the NS player, similar to what happens when you paste a vimeo or youtube link to facebook.
Mar 6 2012 4:18PM
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skijunkiedtm
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Why? this comment is the only reason I watched the edit haha and I guess I missed it but what makes you say that?
Mar 6 2012 4:39PM
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Mr_pretzel
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When he stepped in i looked like it was way to tight. The heel was not in the right position.
Mar 6 2012 4:49PM
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Mr.Bishop
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I know, I know... and we're finally going to fold on this issue.

TBH its just so silly to me that people want to take views and traffic AWAY from sites that support skiing, and give them to rich fuckers like Mark Z in California. I mean jesus, does he need MORE money?

In every other aspect of the sport, people say support the companies that support skiing... they buy the smaller ski brands, they wear the core outerwear.... absolutely everything except technology.

All of a sudden when it comes to technology, everyone wants to stay off of NS and get their views into the hands of Vimeo, YouTube, Facebook... you name it. I mean I understand that those things are very good pieces of technology - I really do.

I just don't get it why there is such an incredible desire from the core people in the sport to give our media views and internet traffic away to these behemoths. I mean these guys are fucking beyond rich.

Regardless, we're going to make the NS player play on Facebook. Too many media people and brands cite this as the primary reason they will never upload or share Newschoolers video on facebook.

As bugs bunny used to say, if you can't beat 'em, might as well join 'em.



One day when the people who have given all of their views away to the big sites and gotten nothing in return start to realize they lost their businesses... I'll be proven right.


Mar 6 2012 9:25PM
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WillStart
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I'm not sure if i'm reading this right..but i don't see how that would be taking views away from NS? i understand that they won't be visiting the actual NS site, but they're still giving views to the NS player. and if you guys keep ads at the front of vids, even when embedded on fb, then won't NS still be getting money based on video views?


frankly, if i were a snowboarder (not on NS) or somebody who only had a mild interest in action sports, i would not click on the links to videos on NS the way they currently are. usually, if i see that i have to go to another site to actually watch the vid, i don't do it. and those people aren't really going to give a shit about bringing traffic to NS, they just won't click. and an embedded NS player view on fb is better than no view at all, right?
Mar 6 2012 11:06PM
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Drail
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This. Most of my "recreational" ski friends and non-ski friends don't really go on NS. They (like ESPN) don't take the site seriously, amongst other things... so they won't follow the link to NS from FB.
Mar 7 2012 11:32AM
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Mr.Bishop
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Views on the videos yes, you're correct. This is why we don't want to hold this back any longer - its the video producers that are suffering from this and we don't want that. We want you to be able to get your videos as far and wide as is humanly possible.

The issue is that it re in-forces the behaviour of people simply trolling facebook for all manners of content. That is my point - that the more we give away the simple views, the more people don't find out about rad places that are niche social networks on the internet. I'm not talking about NS only either, I'd apply the same logic to TGR, EpicSki or any other site. The more we give to facebook the more we're not keeping it within the sport.

Thing to remember is that the stats show that clicking over to link to a video is higher than people make it out to be - its a bit dramatic where everyone assumes that nobody ever clicks links. That is simply untrue and the numbers show it. As well, if people did click over and were interested in skiing, they would have a higher chance of retention, and we'd have a better ecosystem of video viewing.

Of course, I've been known to be wrong before, so we're going to adjust the video system and track all facebook plays. We'll be able to compare that to the number of people that came into the site to watch the video and let you guys know.

What sucks is having comments and such split everywhere, but that is the nature of all this tangled mess of social networking. I just truly wish that people weren't so addicted to facebook that they just wanted to stay on there and have everything spoon fed to them by Mark Z. Its nice that we have a flourishing ecosystem that is by skiers for skiers here. Facebook is a very well built site, and a truly magical thing in our generation... but its super big brother and they're stealing control of the free web in a big way.

Of course, that is a whole other rant.




Mar 7 2012 3:51PM
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Moosen
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When will it work?
Mar 7 2012 9:52PM
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N.L.
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i dont care about views from people on facebook that dont know anything about skiing, thats why i used newschoolers.com before and after facefoose,
Mar 11 2012 12:35PM
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Mr.Bishop
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We want to get the view counter done perfectly. I'd say we should have this ready by the end of the week or early next, but that is if nothing big jumps up at us... which does happen.


Mar 12 2012 6:23PM
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WillStart
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I see what you're saying here, but I'm just not sure it's realistic.


The reason why people troll facebook for content is because it's the social media melting pot. you say that because of that, people won't find niche social networks. but the problem is, they are just that: NICHE social networks. meaning my intended audience reaches beyond NS to people who don't currently have, never have had, and never will have a legitimate interest in the freeski community, not enough to warrant regular visits to the site at least. I want my work to be seen by people who aren't skiers as well. maybe they are part of niche social networks too, but to be honest i don't care at all about supporting their social networks, and they probably don't care about supporting NS. facebook attracts a wide spread of different types of people and therefore different types of media, so it's a good place to go to see that media. i don't see that changing anytime soon.

that's why i look at embedding the NS player on fb not as giving NS traffic to facebook, but rather helping NS reach just a bit further, to people who otherwise would have no reason to give views to anything NS-related.

maybe you are right about the numbers being surprising, i could definitely be wrong. but i was just speaking from experience. you have to take into account that sites like vimeo exist, which as a professional tool for filmmakers is more familiar, versatile, and professional than NS. that means that as long as i want my work to reach outside of the ski community, i'll continue to use vimeo as well. and if people see a Vimeo embedded video on my facebook profile and the NS video page linked but without an embedded player, it's pretty obvious which one they would choose.

however, speaking strictly about the ski community, i fully agree. but as i said, there are a lot of people who i try to share my work with who have nothing to do with skiing, which is why i share my work on facebook in the most accessible way possible.
Mar 12 2012 7:14PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Yeah fair enough, and henceforth why we're making the change.

I still believe what I've said, as the key is that it isn't actually any more work to play in-line than it is to have a new site open in another tab or window. Totally equal amount of work. PLUS the video player on facebook is tiny and horrible, thusly not allowing people to see your video in full HD beautiful glory.

You can control the environment much more, and make it still just as easy if it opens in a new tab. This promotes people to visit the specific community, and even if they are not deeply involved and are these 'regular' people, they will get a tiny view into that place.

Allowing them to sit there on facebook just breeds more people who only go on facebook all day. Its bad for the internet as a whole.


Mar 12 2012 9:44PM
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