kerry a flip-flopper?

kerry was on letterman the other night, and this really cleared a lot of my criticism of him up. the most important, and somewhat idealistic thing to me in politics is that candidiates just speak their mind. that is why i really wasn't liking kerry for a little while, cause i thought of him as a flip flopper, particularly about the war. but on letterman, he explained that he didn't vote for the war, but that he voted to give the president authority to go to war because he trusted the president's judgement at the time. Bush was saying that he would use war as a last resort, and that he would try to peacefully disarm Iraq of WMDs that he believed they had, and that he would use the UN's judgement while doing so, and Kerry agreed with that. but bush kind of did something else, something that i am still a little unclear on his motives about. oh well. Kerry is a pretty cool guy, he is mostly just being portrayed by the media as a flip-flopping guy who brags about vietnam too damn much.
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FUCK. it pisses me off when people critize him aobut how he voted for the iraq war and then he voted against it. It is like saying that people arnt allowed to change their mind. If you were driving to school and you were gonna go to class but then you got in a crash, ovbously you cant go to school anymore (atleast for a little while while you work things out) Bush is trying to go to school even though he got in a crash. and it is not jsut that, he is trying to leave too soon and his car wont start. (relating this analogy to the war in iraq)

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thats not the only reason people critize him for 'flip-flooping' hes changed his mind on many issues many times (not that i give a shit) but it does look like hes just changing his mind just to score votes. My question is when are the presidential debates, thats when I'll make my mindup about who im voting for, hopefully.


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you of all people havnt made your mind up? i though for sure you were a conservative democrat. who woulda known

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Speaking of flip-flopping, wasnt the big plan to disarm iraq? How did bush turn that into nation rebuilding? Maybe it was to take the spotlight off the fact that there are no wmd's!!!
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Ice-Is-Scary is right (for once), but the worst part is that these days, you can't ever assume that 'John Kerry is indecisive about the issues at hand.' It's more like 'The team of Democratic strategists trying to get John Kerry elected are trying to please everyone at the same time.'

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as was said b4, every1 changes their mind y cant he? just because he is running for president doesnt mean he has the right to change his mind. i mean it owuld be a good thing for him to sitck by what he first says but maybe its a good thing he doesnt maybe he sees something we al dont

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Kerry still has yet to take a stance on Iraq. Not to long ago Bush put an open question out to Kerry by asking Kerry if knowing what we know today would Kerry still have gone to war with Iraq. Kerry responded by saying that even after finding no WMDs (knowing what we know today) he still supports the war and believes that we should have gone to war with Iraq. No more than two weeks later Kerry was saying 'this was the wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time.' Kerry has bounced around on the war so many times it is hard to even get the slightest idea what he truly believes. One minute he is saying he would pull troops out within the first 6 months of his term as President, then he tells America he wants to send over 40,000 more, then he says he will pull out troops before his first term is over. Even hard-core liberals such as the New York Times Maureen Dowd have criticized Kerry as being a moron when it comes to the war in Iraq. If Kerry had a clear and concise plan he might actually be up ten points in the polls right now despite the fact that he is a moron and his wife's bitch.
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Another case of something that has been hammered into tiny, we-believe-everything-we-hear skulls and has stuck there. Kerry was not for the war and then against it. He voted to give the administration the AUTHORITY to take action, principally as a means of leverage over Saddam, and, if necessary and with the support of the UN, intervene. That's very different from 'voting for the war'. His whole point isn't that it's a bad thing that there's no Saddam, his point is that the Bush admin went about it in entirely the wrong way. I'm not sure I agree with THAT position 100% either, but that's more or less what he's saying.

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Im defiantely interested to see what happens in the debates. I think it could swing either way. I dont know though. From what i have experienced, most republicans are very closed minded people, and have made up their mind, no matter what happens. It will be interesting.
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how can I spark a debate? this is thirteen posts without saying 'fuck you' to someone who apposes your stance. DAMMIT.

When Kerry gets elected (because he will since dubya is a fuckin moron as are all his supporters) he needs to pull out asap even if it does permanantly fuck iraq to the point of not being able to fix it.
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what is going on?! did everyone smoke a J this morning or something? DAMN this unusual.
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Here ya go JD

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During a 1997 debate on CNN's 'Crossfire,' Sen. John Kerry, now the Democratic presidential nominee, made the case for launching a pre-emptive attack against Iraq.
So reveals Rep. Peter King, New York Republican, who appeared with Mr. Kerry on the program.
Mr. King says the U.N. Security Council had just adopted a resolution against Iraq that was watered down at the behest of the French and the Russians. Yet the candidate who now criticizes President Bush for ignoring French and Russian objections to the Iraq war blasted the two countries, claiming that they were compromised by their business dealings with Baghdad.

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Well well it looks like Kerry was all about preemptive strikes. And you are missing the FACT JD that just a few weeks ago Kerry said knowing what we know today he still would have voted for the war!!! Does that get through to you? He still would have voted for the war knowing what we know today!

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Get this through your head: Senators do not 'vote for a war'. They can only vote to give the president AUTHORITY to go to war. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. My God, all these new political activists on here are dense, on both sides... makes me want to just give up on these threads entirely like pretty much all the other disillusioned folks on this site who only post in the DL...

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And I'm not saying Kerry is infallible. He recognizes he was wrong, and has now changed his position. He is no longer in favour of that pre-emptive strike, given what we know now, and admits that it was a mistake. This is a good thing; stubborn adherence to beliefs that have been proven false is idiocy. The point is, when people ask himm if he would vote the same way knowing what he knows, and he says 'yes', he is not saying 'I still think we should have gone about the process in the same way'. This is actually really simple, but apparently it's just too tough for some people to grasp.

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You keep on missing the point. Take your frickin tin hat off. Kerry voted to give Bush the authority to go to war, hence Kerry supported the action. Excuse me for not directly saying 'voted to give authority.' If he didn't think action should be taken he should not have voted to give authority!! Kerry has quickly turned into James Carville's puppet.
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Also the point of Kerry's flip-flopping is that it shows consistent indecisiveness. Something we do not need from our nation. For all we know Kerry will have a different stance on Iraq next week. Kerry plays to the polls and nothing else. He is hands down the worst politician I have ever seen besides Ted 'Drunk in Chappaquidick' Kennedy.
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As has been said, you carry a big stick, you don't always have to use it. If Bush has the authority to go to war, that gives him leverage. He didn't have to use it, and, per Kerry, even if he DID, he shouldn't have done it as he did. You're the one missing the point, because you're oversimplifying things. Voting for the authority to go to war is not the same thing as voting for a war to happen a particular way. Does Kerry still think we should have gone into Iraq? Perhaps, but not the way it was done, and he's not in favour of continuing along the road the U.S. is on in Iraq.

Of course, Paul Wolfowitz (one of the men in charge of the whole debacle) even said that they shouldn't have gone into Iraq, and is now supporting the action, but nobody is talking about that... only misrepresenting Kerry's position on the war. Funny how people like to slant things to promote their own agenda... like Michael Moore. Hey, you've got something in common with Michael Moore! Don't you feel all dirty now?

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We weren't debating on how the war should be handled we were debating on the actual war itself. As far as handling the war goes all Kerry has stated is that he would do things 'differently.' Well what would that be Mr. sKerry? Yes he did say he would send 40,000 more troops but that was just a week after he criticized Bush Admin supposed plans to send more troops in November. So its okay for Kerry to send more troops but he becomes critical of Bush for wanting to do so? And remember he also said this no more than two weeks after stating the he wanted to pull troops out within his first seix-months of term (a term that we all know will never occur).
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haha why is it all republicians say Kerry has a bad plan for Iraq when they don't even know what it is.





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because not having a plan for Iraq is in itself a pretty shitty plan, and also, if you vote to give athority to Bush to go to war unless you are an idiot you know that he is going to use it. Bush does not beat around the bush, and if he wants to have congress permission to go to war he will damn well use it, and everyone in those chambers knew it to. They are just trying to backtrack by saing that they just gave him athority when they damn well knew he was going to be in Bahgdad in a month. They know Bush doesn't fuck around, but now they are just trying to play the fool and back out of their original, and right, position.



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Trust me I would know what Kerry's plan for Iraq was if he had one. I think his plan is to lower the troops morale by consistently reassuring them that they are fighting for a lost cause...good job sKerry, good job.
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If you think about it being a flip flopper could be good. I mean, he changes his mind due to the oppinions of the public so really that means that he is the people's nominee and that he would do what the people want as president. Theoretically that is



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Kerry's Plan

Summarized verison:

• Convene a summit of major powers and Iraq's neighbors to get them to honor financial and other commitments made in a U.N. resolution last spring. Let them bid on reconstruction contracts and help develop oil resources.

• Expand and speed up training for Iraqi security forces and stop misleading the U.S. public 'with phony, inflated numbers.'

• Shift post-war focus to 'quick-impact' projects that employ more Iraqis and fewer corporations like Halliburton, which Vice President Cheney used to run. Fire people who mismanaged reconstruction.

• Take immediate steps to make sure elections can be held next year. The United Nations has only 25% of the staff it needs for the election, Kerry said.





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