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Flat 3 Explanation?

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riddsicle
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I'm trying to explain to my snowboarder friend what a flatspin is on skis.

I've shown him multiple videos of them being done, but I can't explain it simply in words and I'm pretty curious myself as to how it's explained via words...the best i came up with is that it is directly inbetween a backy and a lincoln loop

help! +karmaz
Feb 21 2012 8:01PM
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kvan
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Just think of it as a slightly off axis backflip usually with a grab
Feb 21 2012 8:04PM
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JWoods
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NO YOU ARE WRONG, THAT IS A WACKFLIP GET IT STRAIGHT.

Pep Fujas 2010 self edit from NIMBUS INDEPENDENT on Vimeo.

2:38 THAT is a mother f*#&@(* flat spin (flat 3)
Feb 21 2012 8:11PM
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Stickity
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good job posting an off axis backflip with a grab
Feb 21 2012 8:13PM
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TWoods
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Get ready for 20 people posting videos of people doing backflips, a little bit to the side.

Here's a real flat spin:


Basically, a flat spin is you set a spin is such a way that your feet end up about the level of your head, and you are rotating around a vertical axis.

Heres some examples:

Eric Pollard, at :36 = flat 3 at :53 = flat 5





Also, Henrik has some great shots of double flat spins (not the "kangaroo flip" which is described as double flat but actually a double wackflip 9) in the mammoth edit from B+E "reunited"

If your feet go above your head, it's probably not a very good example.

Most people do backflips that are a little off axis, and usually with a japan grab, and call it a flat 3. That's actually just a backflip. If you want a name for it being a little off-axis, it's called a "wackflip."

Feb 21 2012 8:17PM
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JWoods
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That's nothing close to what he did... That trick was a flat three which, in other words, is a spin as if you were laying on your back on a tile floor and spinning on your back.
Feb 21 2012 8:17PM
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TWoods
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The long shot is different than the second shot, the second shot is a wackflip. First shot is a pretty damn good flat 3, notice his feet barely go above his head - he's not flipping
Feb 21 2012 8:19PM
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e.will
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I think the best way you could explain it to a snowboarder would be to analogize a flatspin with snowboarding's FS rodeo, and a rodeo as snowboarding's backside rodeo.

Yes, this obviously has it's shortcomings because every snowboarder throws those two tricks differently, yet they all fall under the same category, but it is the best way i've been able to get the point across.





Feb 21 2012 8:20PM
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BuSkiz
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more like you lay on your side on the floor then spin
Feb 21 2012 8:21PM
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FerrisBueller
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Its as close as you can get to a 'flat spin' meaning spinning along a horizontal plane of field.

Backflip with a japan grab + barrel roll with a japan grab = very close to a flatspin.


Flat 3 = mix between a backflip and barrel roll with your feet floating flat with your head making a 360º slightly inverted rotation (with japan)

Feb 21 2012 8:23PM
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Stickity
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i still see it as an off axis backflip but that's just how i'm describing it
i see what you're saying and i can tell the difference between a flat and a wackflip
i have noticed how dub flats look like dub wackflips/lincolns
Feb 21 2012 8:23PM
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riddsicle
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Thanks everyone for the responses..i think i finally got the point across to my friend
Feb 21 2012 8:26PM
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TWoods
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Not real dub flats. real dub flats look like double flatspins. Double wackflips are just that - double wackflips... the kang flips are dub rodeo 9s or wack to rod9.

I'll see if I can find henrik's shot

Feb 21 2012 8:26PM
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TWoods
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That's probably the easiest way to describe it!


Here's some more examples - not 3 but some bigger spins.

Flat 9 at 2:41

Dub flat 10, first shot. Although he didn't land it - the shot of him landing it is in the B+E they just released here: http://inspiredmedia.tv/blog/2012/02/16/be-show-concious/




Feb 21 2012 8:36PM
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Stickity
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i don't think you're grasping that i know what a flat is
Feb 21 2012 8:44PM
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FerrisBueller
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i think its as close as you can get to flat when the spin is bigger than 7 but edollo himself sometimes calls it bio / flat depending on the way you look at it
Feb 21 2012 8:49PM
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k-fred
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christ bolduc self edit 10 11 from IMPfilmsTV on Vimeo.



0:15 flat 9

0:18 flat 7

1:08 sw flat 5

1:40 flat 9

christ B pretty much murder this trick
Feb 21 2012 8:55PM
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TWoods
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The difference between bio and flat is feet first vs. head first - bio is a off-axis spin that you sorta dive into head first.
Feb 21 2012 8:58PM
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Stickity
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bio is just the opposite of a cork
Feb 21 2012 9:00PM
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forestcreatures
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There's no such thing as a flat 3... all people do is an off axis back.

Nimbus crew are the only people who have ever done flat 3's.
Feb 21 2012 9:01PM
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ForeverYung
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Is henriks first shot in b&e united a true dub flat?
Feb 21 2012 9:04PM
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TNORTS
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the best way to describe flat 3's are as my favorite fucking trick to watch ever. Seriously, they look so sick when done right.
Feb 21 2012 9:10PM
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k-fred
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well its dub flat(his feet never go over his head) but it's kinda weird because of the tweaked safety(lobster grab). dub flat tweaked safety is called lobster flip
Feb 21 2012 9:11PM
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ForeverYung
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So the name changes with a different grab? So if he did that with a japan it would be a dub flat right?
Feb 21 2012 9:23PM
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k-fred
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yeah it's just an exception. every dub flat with any other grab is going to be a dub flat but this one with a tweaked safety(lobster). it's still a dub flat doh
Feb 21 2012 9:27PM
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ohboy
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I would say 0:53 is a rodeo 5...
Feb 21 2012 9:28PM
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Relish_man
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C-BO, C-BO EN TABARNAK
Feb 21 2012 9:59PM
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k-fred
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Click for larger image

but only Qc are gonna see it haha
Feb 21 2012 10:00PM
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PicketFence
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henrik's dub flat with the safety grab is by far my favorite dub
Feb 21 2012 10:18PM
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SSteezle
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if he snowboard he prob. knows what a rodeo is. Tell him it's set the same way as a rodeo but not as hard and you never go inverted. Rodeo 5 and flat 5's are set almost identically
Feb 21 2012 11:14PM
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will_powder
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Its definitely the same shot because you can see the other dude filming in the first shot near the trees. Crazy how angles change stuff.
Feb 22 2012 12:08AM
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zerospinskier
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When you spin like this in the air.

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Feb 22 2012 12:16AM
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k-fred
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no way! haha it's exactly what we need^
Feb 22 2012 12:40AM
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FerrisBueller
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my exact thoughts
Feb 22 2012 1:07AM
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PKchu
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Everyone calls this off-axis backflip a wackflip, just call it a rodeo 3, that would be a better description in my opinion.
Feb 22 2012 1:18AM
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iffe
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You contradict yourself in this post.
Feb 22 2012 3:12AM
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TWoods
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By definition a Rodeo is a backflip with a spin. Since a full backflip is a 360 on its own, if you want to spin to make it a rodeo, it has to be 5, because you are adding a 180.

A rodeo 3 would leave you landing backwards on your head (180 of a backflip + 180 spin = 360).

That's why it's wackflip and not rodeo 3.

Feb 22 2012 8:12AM
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BuSkiz
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epic.
Feb 22 2012 9:53AM
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NSwidow
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Solid. Haha.
Feb 22 2012 12:59PM
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rankstank
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I don't understand why these tricks need such precise definitions of the name. It looks like a rodeo 5, but you come around at 3. So why not call it a rodeo 3? A rodeo 5 is not like a backflip 180, it really isn't a backflip at all, its a RODEO. If it was a backflip with a spin then it would be a backflip 180. A rodeo is it's own rotation, and rodeo 3 and rodeo 5 are so similar why not just fucking call it that.
Feb 22 2012 1:08PM
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JWoods
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Because that's wrong, the true definition of a rodeo is a backwards flip with spins, not a straight over backflip but you are still flipping which adds the 360 degrees of flip. Rodeo three is just stupid anyways it doesn't look like a rodeo 3 it looks like a wacky backflip, hence wack flip.
Feb 22 2012 2:33PM
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Stringsteeze
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that^
Feb 22 2012 2:52PM
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jiberishman
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a flatspin is pretty much the same as a rodeo. its a rodeo when you're skis are above you're head, and opposite when it's a flatspin.
rodeo 360 doesn't exist.
Feb 22 2012 5:17PM
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AHREN*
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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=gwZiLZ0bSI8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgwZiLZ0bSI8.

This is my season edit from this year. The first trick I drop is what I thought was a flat 3. Can someone pls correct me if I'm wrong
Jun 20 2013 10:46PM
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CashmereCat
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The way I think about it is that you are trying to spin 180 degrees into a switch wallride. The you look down, spot your landing and follow it around
Jun 20 2013 10:50PM
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Alyon
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hips to the side, and look back over your shoulder. thats how i think of it
Jun 21 2013 3:27AM
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90053
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imagine you are standing with your back to a wall, you jump so you plant your feet on the wall with your back parallel and facing towards the ground and you then jump back to standing.
Jun 21 2013 7:45AM
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Lemuel
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That looked more rodeo to me, the way your body turned at the halfway point is what makes me say that.
Jun 21 2013 8:17AM
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Pipe_Munky
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Flat 3's are not an easy trick to clearly execute. We see them all the time in regional level comps and I can easily say I've seen maybe 2 or 3 done properly.

Here's a proper Flate 3



Jun 21 2013 10:51AM
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johnnyBuz
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Can anyone help me with the best way to start learning a Flat 3 and Flat 5? I can backflip and lincoln loop and I feel like one of them will come into play here.

Am I better off trying to throw off-axis backflips by positioning my skis at a 45' angle to the lip on takeoff?

Or is it closer to angling your skis at a 45' angle and throwing a lincoln loop?

I think Flat 3s and especially Flat 5s look sexy as fuck and that is the next-next trick I am looking to learn (after an underflip).
Jun 21 2013 5:10PM
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