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Interesting thing about atheists

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Trawltopilot
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religious people (at least christans) believe in fate, and that the future is set.

most atheists, from my understanding, believe in free will, and that they can choose their future

i kinda wonder if bill maher believes in free will, cause i would love to come on his show and destroy him

because unless you believe that things randomly occur in the universe with no cause,
 then believing in free will is like believing in santa claus

so it would be interesting if condescending atheists like bill maher believed in free will
Feb 12 2012 8:37PM
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ErMahGerd
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Scientology.
Feb 12 2012 8:39PM
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TACO-DOG.exe
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inb4 religion vs atheist shitstorm
Feb 12 2012 8:39PM
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MN_Nice
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too bad you're just a reincarnation of me, along with everyone else.
Feb 12 2012 8:39PM
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GayWolf420
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Not a nazi. A nihilist.
Feb 12 2012 8:40PM
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japanada
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I will keep my mouth shut...I will keep my mouth shut...I will...
Feb 12 2012 8:41PM
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corona
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that makes no sense.
Feb 12 2012 8:42PM
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RoofDaRoofieDogg
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Feb 12 2012 8:44PM
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casual
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I read OP 3 times....failed to follow your "logic" and decided that you're a moron who is insecure in his beliefs and is looking to rationalize them to ease the cognitive dissonance he and every devout Christian must face on a daily basis.
Feb 12 2012 8:46PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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I would describe myself as a christian, yet I believe in free will.
Feb 12 2012 8:47PM
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crazysincethe80s
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You believe in god, that's more like believing in Santa clause that believing in free will is.
Feb 12 2012 8:48PM
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GayWolf420
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DONNY, YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT.
Feb 12 2012 8:48PM
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Anathema
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I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN MEETS THE EYE


SO GO FUCK YOURSELF
Feb 12 2012 8:49PM
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REDFRO420
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umm what?
Feb 12 2012 8:49PM
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DrZoidberg
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Confused by the op, but he did manage to rhyme.
Feb 12 2012 8:50PM
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Aenigma
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Feb 12 2012 8:50PM
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status_whitegirl
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this
Feb 12 2012 8:50PM
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EmperorKuzco
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Feb 12 2012 8:52PM
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Trawltopilot
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haha chill bro
Feb 12 2012 8:53PM
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TechnoPotamus
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but you can call me Chris. nice to meet you, you dumb schmuck
Feb 12 2012 8:54PM
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Amadeus.
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All of the Abrahamic religions (christianity, judaism, islam) believe in free will too.
Feb 12 2012 8:56PM
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northeast
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Feb 12 2012 8:58PM
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Bill.Nye
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1) Most christians believe in free will, with the major exception being Calvinists
2) Some atheists believe in free will and some don't. Not believing in god doesn't dictate this position.
3) Bill Maher does not speak for all atheists. No one does, and if someone did, it wouldn't be him.
4) We don't really understand enough about to universe to say whether or not things can happen without causation within this universe, especially at a quantum level.
5) Who really cares? Whether or not we have "free will" (whatever exactly it is that that entails), we have the appearance of it. Discussing it further may be an interesting academic debate, but I can hardly see how much relevance it would have to the real world.

Also, buttsecks.
Feb 12 2012 9:02PM
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Culla
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This right hur.
Feb 12 2012 9:04PM
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Trawltopilot
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you sure? im pretty surre most God related talk is about how he is in control of everything.
Feb 12 2012 9:05PM
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Mr.Turtle
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Feb 12 2012 9:09PM
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RoofDaRoofieDogg
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/threads
Feb 12 2012 9:12PM
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TechnoPotamus
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lololololololol qfe
Feb 12 2012 9:13PM
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Trawltopilot
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still, even if God rolled dice at the quantum level, it would not mean you had control over your decisions, as if you could go back and chosen another path. you can say i shouldve done this instead of that, but you cant say i could have done this instead of that. we are particles in motion stuck to a planet thats floating in space. organisms are not gods, in the sense that a god could alter his fate
Feb 12 2012 9:15PM
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rareison
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INCOMING SHITSTORM
Feb 12 2012 9:18PM
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Bill.Nye
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You are trying to make a final conclusion about a topic which you, nor anyone on this earth, know enough about to make a final call. Perhaps the particles in our brain act in a deterministic manner, perhaps they act randomly, perhaps our thoughts can somehow alter their behavior. The science just isn't there to say for sure. And again, what does it matter? You haven't even defined free will yet, therefore your entire argument is dildos.
Feb 12 2012 9:23PM
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Trawltopilot
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i know.
Feb 12 2012 9:23PM
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1337
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lol hay guiez what r goin on in dis fread?
Feb 12 2012 9:27PM
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Trawltopilot
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dude you dont understand the implications of randomness

at all.
Feb 12 2012 9:30PM
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BrewskiJr
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lmao. hahah
Feb 12 2012 9:30PM
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Bill.Nye
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I don't think you understood anything I said.
Feb 12 2012 9:34PM
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Caspian
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In case it isn't totally clear, you're a fucking pigeon
Feb 12 2012 9:39PM
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NinetyFour
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ahhh yeah, NS could almost have a shitstorm section of the forum where religious, scoring for events, and political threads could be put......
Feb 12 2012 9:43PM
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geteducated
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wowwww, an octopus tentacle dildo. amazing..
Feb 12 2012 9:45PM
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Brock.
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so, none of what you said made any sense, which is cool but kind of stupid.
Feb 12 2012 9:46PM
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act.resist
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Feb 12 2012 9:47PM
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CheddarJack
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What if everything is predetermined only because in the future someone invents a time machine and kept changing the past until it is what you and I experience. Mind=blown.
Feb 12 2012 9:48PM
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Bill.Nye
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Wooden dildos? Holy splinters batman.
Feb 12 2012 9:48PM
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cow.
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i'm pretty sure that quantum physics has several things proven to be entirely random, but i could be wrong.
Feb 12 2012 9:50PM
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Bill.Nye
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Well, the thing about "proving" that something is random, is that you really never can, because it could always be possible that the thing which appears random to you is being controlled in a deterministic way by a force that you don't have the capacity to measure. This is why I said it's pointless to argue (especially now), because you would have to have full knowledge of all that exists in order to know that something is truly random. Basically, you'd have to be god. Here;
Feb 12 2012 9:53PM
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Mr.Turtle
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no pain, no gain
Feb 12 2012 9:55PM
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Lolocaust.
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Feb 12 2012 9:55PM
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Mr.Turtle
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^ hahaha what the fuck
Feb 12 2012 10:11PM
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MFM
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how the fuck can you not believe in free will. If god just caused me to desire a dank ass sandwich but on the way to the kitchen he decided i have to go take a massive shit he can just fuck right off, I'm hungry fool.
Feb 12 2012 11:00PM
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Bill.Nye
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I like your style
Feb 12 2012 11:01PM
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BlackCupid
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Bill Maher may be a douchebag, but he would wreck your shit in an argument.
Feb 12 2012 11:11PM
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