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S.C
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You will find nothing on the web on this, just throwing this out there.

A CP+ conference started 30 minutes ago.

T3i release Feb 7 2011

T2i release Feb 8 2010

so...
Feb 8 2012 10:32PM
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[evan]
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CP+

What does that mean?
Feb 8 2012 10:34PM
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hollygrove
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This forum spend too much time wankin off to gear
Feb 8 2012 10:35PM
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family_vacation
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this.
Feb 8 2012 10:37PM
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S.C
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a canon event that every year the tXi is announced at
Feb 8 2012 10:42PM
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eheath
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no fucking kidding, everyone acts like the NEED the new cool shit
Feb 8 2012 10:48PM
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WillStart
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although this is true, being a T2i owner I am curious about this. however, i definitely do not plan on buying a new camera anytime soon.
Feb 8 2012 10:51PM
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erikK
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i always keep up to date on the latest rumours and stuff, not because i want to buy it, i just like to know where gear is headed and what new stuff is coming out. that way i don't fuck up and buy the wrong product when it comes time to upgrade or expand my kit.
Feb 8 2012 10:56PM
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blatt
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Think m&a is bad? Try gear talk.

I totally agree though, some big time camera gear whores in this forum (I hope I'm not considered one...).
Feb 8 2012 11:10PM
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family_vacation
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Can I see some footage from your hvx?

:)
Feb 8 2012 11:16PM
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1337
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well said

Chai made this topic after talking to me about it for a while. Neither of us intend to buy it, but we just like to see where canon is headed and keep up to date on their products.
Feb 8 2012 11:18PM
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blatt
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P(ON3P)RTLANDIA was shot with it, I also used one shot from my summer edit/reel (very first shot of a sunset).

now I feel like a gear whore, dick.
Feb 8 2012 11:19PM
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Mkvackay
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i keep up to date on gear on other media sources

but really i just don't give a shit. i like my camera now and won't be buying a new camera for years

i don't understand why kids are slanging their t2i's and 60d's all around. no one needs to newest, most up-to-date product if they already have something that goes far beyond what they need it for
Feb 9 2012 1:45AM
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Bonzalo
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This thread is relevant to my interests.
Feb 9 2012 2:57AM
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remster
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Wait, I'm confused, who is this? ^
Feb 9 2012 3:08AM
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zahava
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Mostly Chai.... lol. But yah this.
Feb 9 2012 8:34AM
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TijmenDal
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Really curious what they're coming out with...
Feb 9 2012 8:55AM
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Downtofilm
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Hopefully it will have 1080p60p then I'll be picking one up.
Feb 9 2012 12:48PM
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JStrathern
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Same.. but I have my doubts
Feb 9 2012 1:26PM
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zahava
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I highly doubt that canon would release this in a low end DSLR. I feel like we could see it in the 'Cine-X DSLR' or maybe the 7d2.
Feb 9 2012 1:30PM
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zahava
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*debut, I'm sure it would eventually end up in the rebel line.
Feb 9 2012 1:34PM
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DIX~
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Considering how the t3i turned out I wouldn't expect much more than a couple noob friendly features for a couple hundred bucks more than a t2i
Feb 9 2012 2:58PM
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dispatchQ_main
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I don't see why everyone wants this? I would much rather see a fix for moire and a new codec. Higher asa performance would be good too, bump the lower end cameras up to useable 1250 asa and even greater for the higher end cameras.
Feb 10 2012 10:39PM
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eheath
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fixing moire isn't just a snap of the finger fix, but 1080p60 is, as is a new codec, but that wont happen in any dslr. 1080p vs 720p is a big difference IMO, some people think its pointless but im putting 720 in my rear view, 1080 all day.
Feb 10 2012 10:45PM
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oil.
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god i cant wait (if it ever happens) for a 7d2.
Feb 10 2012 11:16PM
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[~_~]
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Yip. Until that gets fixed, I couldn't care less what Canon is putting out.
Feb 11 2012 12:20PM
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[~_~]
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About that...it kind of is. Companies install anti-aliasing software into their cameras. Panasonic is more heavy handed with it, whereas Sony uses it more sparingly. That's why Panasonics have a softer look than the Sonys, and also have less moiré problems. It's a tradeoff really.

If they can make an APS-C DSLR with even FS100 amounts of moiré, I'd be happy.
Feb 11 2012 12:38PM
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McLeod
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haha you guys all expect so much out of new releases. 1080p60p won't even be available in the C300 at 20K, you think they will just casually make that resolution/frame rate available in a $1,000 or whatever it could be T4i body? not going to happen. Canon is incredibly focused on maintaining their price-points so they can release very simliar products with minor feature differential and charge more. sorry to crush the dream
Feb 11 2012 4:55PM
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Ryguy920
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Sorry for bumping this old thread but i'm looking to buy a t2i and i was just wondering if the release of a t4i would lower the price of the t2i significantly. What do you guys think?
Mar 11 2012 6:58PM
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SSteezle
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t2i's are super cheap. look into the canon loyalty program I got mine refurbished for about 400 bucks and it's worked perfectly fine
Mar 11 2012 7:37PM
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gabe_cohen
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the 5dmiii doesn't have 1080p60p so i highly doubt that the t4i will have it included.
Mar 12 2012 10:09AM
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1337
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while this is true, canon sometimes, SOMETIMES, implements new tech into more amateur bodies, perfects it, and then releases it in the professional stuff. Could be the case with the t4i...

And my bet is that its released at NAB (like the new 4k cinema dslr) and has 1080 60p. Little is known about it which leads me to believe there is something big planned for it. (I'm 90% sure this is not true, but a boy can dream... :)
Mar 12 2012 10:20AM
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[~_~]
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I don't see why everyone wants 1080p60 so badly. The image is still going to look like shit unless they fix the other, more basic problems.
Mar 12 2012 1:01PM
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SSteezle
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can you explain a bit? Not disagreeing, just want to hear your thoughts on it, I'm still pretty new to DSLRs.


that said, the only reason I'd really want 1080-60p is for mostly skiing and being able to edit in a 720 timeline and have the flexibility to bump in if I wanted to without loosing as much quality. For the time being I'm more than happy with my t2i and plan on keeping it for a long time!
Mar 12 2012 1:06PM
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[~_~]
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The main thing holding back DSLRs is the moiré, and no other feature will improve the IQ unless they address this issue. Canon claims to have fixed it in the 5DIII, but since they haven't been releasing very much footage (or highly compressed footage), and knowing their track record, something tells me it's BS.

The hype over 1080p60 is just people on the internet gawking at numbers, as per usual. 90% of DSLR users are outputting to web, and if you think there is a visible difference between 720p and 1080p DSLR footage displayed on the web, you're delusional. Bearing in mind Canon's line-skipping compression, the difference between 720p and 1080p is the difference between whether it skips 1 or 2 lines at a time; it's trivial. The in terms of actual detail, 1080p has no advantages over 720p. The main difference is that 1080p has less moiré due to it using less line skipping (though moiré is still an issue), and it's bigger. That's it.

So basically, adding 1080p60 will give you the same image in a larger frame. To think this is somehow an improvement is to say that bigger is better with complete disregard to quality. I'd rather shoot 720p with a solid codec over 1080p with a shit codec. Fix the compression, and you have a completely new camera.

If you want to mix 720p with 1080p, scale the 720p up to 1080p during transcoding. It looks exactly the same.
Mar 12 2012 1:23PM
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eheath
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I know what you're saying here landis and I agree. With the fs100, these problems have been solved so the 1080p60 is definitely an advantage IMO.

With the resolution that the fs100 has (1000+ lines compared to the 700-800 lines of a dslr) the 1080p definitely looks better than the 720p. I DEFINITELY notice the difference between 720 and 1080 on vimeo. If i upload a 1080 video and then dont choose to display the 1080 version and full screen on my 1080 screen, it looks good. But, if i then switch it to the 1080 version and do the same, I definitely notice a difference, only at full screen though.

AVCHD is definitely a better codec than the canon h264, but its still no dvcprohd.
Mar 12 2012 3:07PM
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[~_~]
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Very true. For actual video cameras, it can make a difference. With DSLRs it doesn't matter what size they give you, it's still 540 lines of sensor resolution either way. If they release a new DSLR that's the same only with 4K, it will actually be 2K, and it will still have horrible moiré. The only way to get rid of moiré would be to completely redesign its compression system. This is the exact reason why I switched to the GH2: because it has twice the resolution of any Canon DSLR.

Line skipping is the new interlaced.
Mar 12 2012 3:18PM
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eheath
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540? i thought t2i/7d/etc were like 700-800?
Mar 12 2012 3:45PM
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[~_~]
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Oops. I was thinking interlaced.
Mar 12 2012 4:15PM
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