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bob.marley
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No I am not talking about learning them, but I do have some questions. First let me say I technically picked up skiing last year so I am still kind of new and trying to progress as fast as I can.

180: I am decent switch but it gets very sketchy at best for the landings and run-outs for me even on the slightest bumps or crud. And I am still building my way up going bigger and bigger off of lips doing them because I want to build up to being able to comfortably throw a stylish 180 but I notice sometimes I don't commit %100 in the air and I get to like a 90 degree rotation and back out in the air sometimes if I go bigger outside my comfort zone and eat shit on my side but I think I can take care of that with practice. I just want to know how I can start doing them more smoothe and not so floppy with the arms and pencil. will style come with repition or is there more to it. I always get in 2 or 3 180's per run unlike a lot of kids who do a 180 once a day.

360's: I learned them not too long ago actually last weekend just on a small lip just big enough to get it around. I have done about 10 of them and they are really sloppy and look bad and feel the same as when I did my first one. I always get in the back seat when I land and flop like crazy and I am sure it looks something like this:

The thing that I am very curious about is that I know plenty of kids who have been doing 3's for 2 years now and they still don't look much better if at all than that one in the vid. I see people like in this vid who can do it comfortabely. what makes a skier who can do 3's and anything for that matter like the guy in the vid (not the one off the cliff) is it just hucking until you land and eating a lot of shit in a day on the hill and throwing huge 3's you might have a %10 chance of landing until you build the percentage up and probably involves many injuries or is it doing it on a level that you would say have a %75 chance of landing and doing the trick a lot instead of once a day. (I know it's diferent on a pow day)  I want to progress and don't want to see myself on the same level of skiing in 2 years feel me? I progressed a lot since the beginning of the year on my 180's and switch and hope to see the same thing on 3's  eventually into being able to 3 at least close to the ones in this and don't want to see myself on the same level in 2 years feel me? (at the end):

Feb 4 2012 9:49PM
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No_Dub
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you are thinking too much
Feb 4 2012 10:09PM
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BenWhit
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exactly. don't think, just do. i was having a wicked mental block earlier this season because i wasnt skiing to my ability, then i just started doing it.
Feb 4 2012 10:12PM
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wreck_720
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for 1s, look at the landing until you're about to land, and then look right back up at the knuckle or at the lip of the jump, it will help you land more solid and should help with your flailing. For 3s, don't look down at your feet at all. I was, and this past weekend I took a clinic on teaching 3s and I was looking down at my feet when I did them. To do them right, you should set your spin with your shoulders and head, but once your head and shoulders get to 180, stare at the lip and freeze your rotation with your shoulders just long enough for your feet to catch up. Once your feet catch up, you should be at 270 and just spot your landing. By looking up and not at your feet, you will be able to land without being in the backseat.
Feb 4 2012 10:13PM
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Stickity
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look straight over your shoulder
your legs are going to experience impact. don't puss out and let them buckle easily
use your shoulders and hips, not your arms
Feb 4 2012 10:22PM
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casual
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Who are all these kids doing one 180 a day? You are way too up in your head brother. Like, way too much. Definitely not trying to take away from your accomplishment, because it is awesome to learn and progress, but these are not complex tricks. Are you athletic, coordinated outside of skiing? How comfortable are you just jumping off some steps and spinning? There is no trick to dialing 1's and 3's....it is simply repetition and muscle memory. If you have access to a camera, I highly recommend having a friend film your attempts so that you can analyze what you're doing right and wrong. A lot of good advice has already been offered so I won't get all technical about spotting or the mechanics of spinning, but you need to just relax and let it come naturally, there is no sense in fretting over what sort of progression you'll undergo in the next two years. Remember that this is supposed to be fun! It sounds like you're getting a little to wrapped up in almost a competitive way. Just keep throwing 1's and 3's and theyll get better. I also recommend working on upper and lower body separation like shiftys and grabs, it'll really help with your air awareness and you'll be able to make minor corrections to balance without flailing your arms. I almost guarantee that you're being a little sloppy or loose with your core. Really flex your abs in the air and keep your body together and spin with your hips and shoulders, not with your arms. You got this, ruder, just relax, have fun, and keep trying!
Feb 4 2012 11:29PM
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bob.marley
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Yeah I just realized that was way overthought but I am mostly afraid that I am going to hit a will in my progression. Because i honestly know kids who have been hitting jumps for years and their 3's look very close to the one in that video posted above. They even say they learned 3's 2 years ago. I have no problem with them and I will keep at it but I am mostly just curious about how I am going to progress in the next months if at all or if I will just be like those kids who only do small very sketchy 3's.

Feb 4 2012 11:49PM
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Dr.Gnar
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1) pop starting from a lower, more centered stance. 2) practice on something with better hang time 3) practice, practice, practice but each time use your core rather than your arms to throw the 3. By using your core, you'll "throw" it less and less each time, until is a smooth seamless motion off the lip, even better out of a carve.
Feb 4 2012 11:52PM
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TheBredward
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Kids who want to progress, like you, will progress. Kids who don't, won't. I'd say your doing good
Feb 5 2012 3:53AM
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rankstank
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Progression doesn't just "happen," it takes time and effort. The kids you see probably don't put in the effort to progress, so they don't. If you want to get better, try new things, and try to get better. If you want to stay the same, keep doing sloppy 3's every now and then and you will be in the same position in 2 years. It's all up to you, there is no "progression schedule" You progress however fast you want to try new shit.
Feb 5 2012 11:58AM
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skifoo
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Don't think skiing as a 'must' progression. I think it ruins the fun part of skiing. Have fun at your own level, and progress your abilities in the way you want to.
Feb 5 2012 12:11PM
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Julian.F
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you're over thinking this. just try it and it will come
Feb 5 2012 12:46PM
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