Zeitgeist: Conspiracy Theory's n shit.

I'll watch it tomorrow after I get some sleep

Peter joseph is an interesting dude. Listen to his interview with Joe Rogan on the Joe Rogan podcast!

Seriously couldn't searchbar this horseshit?

If you read my OP i said i checked the search bar. Chill out. Nice opinion dude.

you excuse was bullshit, this topic has been beat to death

thanks. you were really opinionated in the other threads as well.

omg zeitgeist!! 9/11 omg!!

Grow up.

Why do you dumb down important issues? Its a pretty well founded theory, beyond this little home movie.

but yea, this teet has been sucked bonedry.

what i find stunning at present is the masses of people who feign interest in life and knowledge while there is a catchy theory or movement of erratic belief.

The people who get pumped up about these types of videos are very removed or uneducated about the topics yet they walk away from these musings with a false sense of adeptness.

If religion, monetary systems, and world government were so easy to understand in such a way a two hour long video could dissect them, there would no need for higher education on these ultra complex subjects.

Do not be a fool, look for your own answers if you are truly interested in these topics. These videos are nothing better than a shit micheal moore film.

They can spark an interest but in order to truly understand the concept they are trying to convey you need to dig deeper than the blurbs and conspiracy theories they start to present. Do not just rehash catchy speculation from a video and expect to be taken seriously by someone who has dedicated any sort of time to these topics.

I could type out a lengthy opinion but instead I think this link will sum it up

well shucks, i wasn't aware i was beating such a dead horse.

whoops link sucked....

The second and third Zeitgeist movies are much better than the first one. The second one leaves out all the religion debates since he realized he had so many holes in his argument and focused on the Federal Reserve and the Venus Project/Sustainable development. The third one takes all of the problems and poses possible solutions to the problems portrayed in the first two movies.

Check 'em out if you like to think ;)

OH, you like sarcasm? I like sarcasm too!

the writing is in a sarcastic attire but the points made are pretty fucking good.

exactly?

this video doesn't present any real fact beyond speculation. This is exactly the kind of video i was referring to earlier. You're sure drinking the kool aid.

Good thing we had a 5 minute video to explain the events that unfolded on 9/11, I guess i should blindly follow this fellows speculation.

Why dont you read something instead of watching a bunch of moving pictures with a dubious undertone. Or can you handle "boring" old reading and research on a self-lead level?

http://www.debunking911.com/index.html

this website alone hold more proven information than all conspiracy videos combined, but I am assume someone who "knows the real story" already.... does not need to read some research written by independent sources and testimony from eye witnesses saying that media and conspiracy theorist manipulated their statements to reflect what they were preaching....

Wow, its very interesting that you can more information from a variety of sources being both confirmed as fact and being independent from any government body than you can find information about the dastardly bush administration killing innocent people. You would think that with all this "video evidence" you would be able to find some rock solid answers in to some of the claims put forth by the doubters of 9/11 but it is 100 percent speculation. I think it was the man on the grassy knoll personally.

fuck, you are so clever.

Oh, you "are assume". Sure, buddy.


Loose change, Zeitgeist One, pretty mediocre independent documentaries with complete bias.

The following Zeigeists on the other hand dwelve deeper into Joseph's and his colleagues' minds, offering some real ass shit with a handful off utopic pee-poo. Only people growing up in a semily unregulated information system and into the system that some people call "Zionist" in the US (I don't) is the only thing diverting people from learning, or wating to learn truths.

So many sheeple, so many sheeple. Taking everything in without a grain of salt, whether it's economic systems, trust in the government, praise of war, supporting megacorporations, protecting one's country etc.

There is hardly any rock solid evidence both ways behind the real truth of the events of 9/11 due to the absolute, stark raving mad idea of researching more into it as it has forever become one of the hottest potatoes in US history, and fuck me if you'll get a lot people to go at it unbiased.

9/11 = Pearl Harbour v2.0

The US government has willingly (directly and indirectly) murdered its own citizens to fatten the pockets of those in power for decades. War profiteering is nothing new. Even if 9/11 wasn't orchestrated by Bush and his cronies, they were well aware of what the event would generate - a situation they could capitalize highly on. Halliburton made around $17.1 billion from the atrocious crime that is the Iraq war in 3 years alone, and that is but a small fraction of the total revenue to come from post 9/11 conflict. I find that more disturbing than the act that spurred it. /slightly off topic

The government has shady dealings and closed door shit all the time, I don't know why people expect all the answers all the time when we've never got a straight answer to shit. If you dig hard enough you can find connections and reasoning's behind a lot of shit, but that doesn't always prove anything. Take Glenn Beck and his whiteboard for example, you may be able to draw some lines but without evidence, facts, and an official admitting things you're just speculating.

it's okay to watch these videos, just don't jump two feet first into them.

The orange name makes it so much harder to ignore how hurr durr 3/4 of your posts are



and yes, I understand the irony behind me making fun of you with a meme, don't beat it to death because I know you will

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Love Zeitgeist and all of the documentaries made by Peter Joseph.

Zeitgeist: The movie
Zeitgeist: Addendum
Zeitgeist: Moving Forward

You should definitely watch The corporation and the Inside job.

to the conspiracies theorists: if you want to prove that the government is evil, why choose 9/11 to build a case on? That's like prosecuting a serial killer who is on video slaughtering 10 people, looking directly into the camera, holding up his license; and instead of bringing this up, you choose to build your case on the fact that he jay-walked 20 years ago in a small town in southern kansas for which your evidence is the vague outline of a human foot in the concrete. Your government has put thousands upon thousands of people in jail to be brutalized and raped for crimes as heinous as possessing a bag of vegetation. Let's get some fucking perspective in here. 9/11 DOES NOT MATTER. Even if we say the government was responsible for 9/11, so what? It's just a couple thousand more deaths to tack on to the list. There are millions of morally reprehensible acts that the government freely admits to! If youre actually interested in changing things, drop the conspiracy theories and focus on where you can actually make an impact. Otherwise, you're clearly just invested in being smarter than all the "sheeple" who can't see The Truth TM.

this is like so 5 minutes ago man, wait i mean years

threads ive been meaning to watch this shit for a while

You tell him to "grow up" ahahha your the one posting Zietgiest and looking for a discussion Jesus Christ the Internet is making people so gulable and weak. I should just make a documentary about some conspiracy and retire early

So Pearl Harbor is a conspiracy now too... You guys seriously?

I fail to see your point., but yea you probably should. Apparently the guy who made zeitgeist made bank off of it.

Thanks for sharing! This is the kind of shit I like to watch

No, it's fact. Pearl Harbour was an instigated, and possibly even a preventable attack that enabled entry into the war for the US.

Well I don't where you get your info, but I saw Pearl Harbor go down and if you think Ben Affleck had anything to do with any conspiracies you can go fuck yourself!

hahahahahaha.

oh affleck.

..... Read a book you idiot. You consperacy people recycle the same formulas over and over again. For every war you use the same theory. you take the event that forced the United States into war (9/11, gGulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, etc) and claim the united states created said event or took advantage of it. History can disprove you so you claim your own revisionist version of it. N

Revisionist version of it? Who do you think writes the text books? There's tons of suppressed information that doesn't make textbooks beacuse of how "controversial" or anti-american they would seem.


Ever heard of the idea of Problem, Reaction, Solution? You create the problem, get the reaction, and then present the solution. Bam, you got yourself a justified war. Hitler did the same thing with the Reichstag fire.

These aren't some wild theories, it's actually what happened. How about YOU read a fucking book before trying to belittle some valid information.

In the months leading up to the attack, Roosevelt:
- froze all Japanese assets in the US
- halted all exports of American Petroleum to Japan
- made public loans to Nationalist China and provided the British with military aid, who were both wartime enemies of Japan.

A conversation Roosevelt's Secretary of War Henry Stimson had had with Roosevelt himself, dated November 25, 1941, which Stimson entered into his diary - “[Roosevelt] brought up the event that we are likely to be attacked perhaps next Monday … and the question was what we should do. The question was how we should maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves… It was desirable to make sure the Japanese be the ones to do this so that there should remain no doubt as to who were the aggressors.”

Three days before the attack, Australian intelligence warned Roosevelt of a Japanese task force heading for Pearl Harbour, which he ignored.

This is basically the US' participation in WWII...

I guess he and Josh Hartnett did single-handedly save the entire pacific fleet from destruction, so ill let him off.

dude really this shit has come up a million times, if you woulda taken 30 seconds you could have avoided all this internet embarisment

how about some grey? seriously, not everything is black and white. probably NOTHING in our world is.

war is a very lucrative business for a lot of people. sadly a lot of people only suffer from it. i dont like how its ok that the us went into iraq and vietnam and the whole freeing lybia thing. in syria, shit hits the fan five times more but they have no oil, so nobody cares.

obviously, that was a little black. but the world is not white either.

did the government plan 9/11 or let it happen? did they knew about pearl harbor? did they actively fake WOMD-reports in iraq? did the nato enter lybia just for the oil?

anybody who says "YES" or "NO" without further reasoning to any of these questions is a fuckhead and just arguing for the sake of it.

Learn to spell. If it has come up a million times then I guess I missed it. oh well.

Give me a book title that proves this, I'll read it. We imposed sanctions on Japan and froze their assets for invading Manchuria. The warnings of a Japanese attack were percolated in Washington. NO one believed them... In the days leading up to it some military officials were grossly negligent in their assessment of intel. War had been brewing with the Japs long before the sanctions.. You act like their attack was justified for freezing their assets? Lots of high ranking officials were let go Their negligence. It wasn't a god damn conspiracy America was lot looking for a way into war we didn't go to war in Europe for long after Pearl Harbor and it was still controversial then and that was the only war that Roosevelt had a public backlash and risk of entering. And China was our ally then and so were the British. The Japanese empire was down right evil. Your revisionist history is full of convenient holes and your "motive" doesn't make sense. Heres a time line http://www.npr.org/tablet/#story/?storyId=4206060

Tell me exactly where you get your "facts". This world is run on speculation,speculation is the easiest thing to manipulate.

http://rationalrevolution.net/war/mccollum.htm Point 9. Roosevelt began to put all 8 actions into affect only a day after reading the memo, which were all eventually achieved.

http://i41.tinypic.com/1zx1wet.gif One of many warnings.

As for Roosevelts conversation with Stimson, it's very hard to find his complete diary. If you can, the convo is in Reel 7 Volume 36. You can search if you want, but it's been verified.

"We imposed sanctions on Japan and froze their assets for invading Manchuria" - and Manchuria is in which country? If what you said is the case, that goes to show even further the US were blatantly letting Japan know who's side they were on. The fact that the US made public loans to nationalist China is pretty telling too.

"The warnings of a Japanese attack were percolated in Washington. NO one believed them." - lol, it wasn't a matter of people believing the warnings or not. They were fully aware of what was coming, it was just a case of what action they would take.

"In the days leading up to it some military officials were grossly negligent in their assessment of intel...Lots of high ranking officials were let go Their negligence" - Not true. Roosevelt ordered the transfer of their fleet on the west coast to the more exposed Hawaii, to the ongoing complaints of the positions inadequate protection from air and torpedo attack by the fleets commander Admiral Richardson. In fact, he felt so strongly about it that he disobeyed his orders to harbour his fleet there twice and brought his concerns to Roosevelt personally. He was soon removed from his position, and his successor brought up the same issues a few months later. This was only one of many cases. These high ranking officials weren't let go due to negligence of intel of a possible incoming attack, they were let go because they were starting to realize what Roosevelt seemingly had in mind.

"You act like their attack was justified for freezing their assets" - Nope, just saying there's only so much blatant provocation a country can take, especially at a tense time like that. Yes conflict had been brewing, but it was virtually all verbal. America took their relations to another level.

"It wasn't a god damn conspiracy" - You're absolutely right.

"America was lot looking for a way into war we didn't go to war in Europe for long after Pearl Harbor and it was still controversial then and that was the only war that Roosevelt had a public backlash and risk of entering" - You didn't go to Europe for a while after the attack because Hitler hadn't declared war on you yet, which was basically Roosevelts main objective. Yes Congress and the public were fiercely against entering into conflict over there prior to the attack, but they sure as hell weren't after it. This was a well executed and a pretty convincing act of false flag terrorism

"The Japanese empire was down right evil." - lolz. Believe it or not, the Japanese weren't actually these sub-humans who needed to be exterminated like amurica made them out to be. They were just a very militaristic nation, which scared the west. You of all countries have no right to be calling anyone evil, by the way.

I'll happily fill out these convenient holes you talk about if you point them out to me. And does my "motive" still not make sense to you? Can you seriously not decipher what ive been trying to get at, even after mentioning it in my original post?...

eheath slappin you around

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one of my friends loved this movie so i wanna check it out

seriously, skip the first movie and go straight to the second and third one. they're huuuuge improvements on the first documentary.

completely agree with this. watched them both since making this thread. much more worthwhile.