I searchbarred but didn't find exactly what I needed. I have a package of rail tricks nowadays, but I still fail at blind 450 outs. I only get them once in 20 tries, I guess by chance... They are no problem at uprails or upcannonpipes, but a huge one at downrails and lately on flat ones, too. Since I regard Sean Jordan as damn good at backside spins I tried to analyze his technique. Seems to me like he spins a normal 90 degrees on and starts the rotation just by leaning a bit over the rail, putting pressure on his front foot and moving his upper body. It just doesn't work for me this way. Am i missing something essential? I can't set off the backside rotation when I've been sliding the rail without already rotating a bit forward, if that makes any sense :D. I need to know how to initate my spin, as I don't have grip like when i do front4s to stem my foot against. Any tips? Anyone who can describe what he does?