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Proof of why capitalism is more fun than socialism

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juninho
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in case that doesnt work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZTiRff1cqQ
Jan 25 2012 5:43PM
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Blandct
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nsg?
Jan 25 2012 5:46PM
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E__
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Yes, NSG.
Jan 25 2012 5:48PM
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juninho
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oh shit i thout i was in non ski gabber, although im sure theres plenty of "skiing" that goes on on bransons island
Jan 25 2012 5:52PM
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DGiurk
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except this happens in socialism too...russia has plenty of billionaires...

Jan 25 2012 7:09PM
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juninho
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wow. i dont even know how to respond to that
Jan 25 2012 7:25PM
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PJS.
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LOL
Jan 25 2012 7:27PM
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chicken
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in before gnartron?
Jan 25 2012 7:39PM
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doGelyst
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haha, didnt some part of that burn to the ground not too long ago?
Jan 25 2012 7:43PM
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nickyp
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There are only two ways to become rich in a socialist economy: to be corrupt, or to own an oil field. Hard work gets you nowhere in communism. The only way to better your situation is to become part of the ruling elites, and to expropriate funds from your collective peasantry.
Jan 25 2012 7:48PM
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PhilboydStudge
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Socialist economy =/= communism =/= authoritarianism, which sounds like what you just said

Socialist countries can/do have billionaires, not sure what all the loling is about
Jan 25 2012 7:59PM
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RoofDaRoofieDogg
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inb4 boots with the fur
Jan 25 2012 8:02PM
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Drail
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i'm just going to completely ignore the intent of this thread and just say that his island is pimp. BVI for the win.
Jan 25 2012 8:09PM
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skier_boy26
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Pretty sure the main house got hit by lightning and burnt down. The rest of it is still prime, though... if you have the monies.
Jan 25 2012 8:15PM
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RubberSoul
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people need to learn this
Jan 25 2012 8:41PM
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juninho
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socialism is a sliding scale that ends in communism. France isnt socialist. Im talking about socialism at a level where people like warren buffet would be taxed to hard to braked through to th"fuck you money" status. if you have a heavily progrssive tax it will be many times harder to break through the rich level 10 mil to 30 mil, to the level where you can make your dreams come true like with bransons island
Jan 25 2012 10:58PM
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Anathema
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do want
Jan 25 2012 11:02PM
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juninho
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also, legislation will always be anthropocentric,  so instead of leaving africans alone we feel that we have to build highways and houses and cities, destroying the last true haven for wildlife., save brazils rainforest.

as societies will always slide further into socialism because of tyranny of the majority, socialists will become more powerful and you will eventually end up with communism. this is why europe is in trouble, because they have slid down the slope towards socialism, which leads to the billionares fleeing to free markets like singapore and hong kong, which have as many billionares per acre as france dous per 10 thousand square miles.

thats why you need controls to stop the slide, for example a constitution, so that run away entitlements dont destroy a country.

to take the example of richard branson, if england wanted to pay its debts by attacking the rich with taxes, printing, inflation9which is redistribution essentially), then branson would have to sell his property. People would no longer have dreams of owning a paradise like  his.

if you like your dreams to be possible, choose capitalism. If you dont have dreams of owning an island like bransons, choose socialism.

Jan 25 2012 11:26PM
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vauban08
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So basically, communism and capitalism are not so different after all :D
Jan 26 2012 12:27PM
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vauban08
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Not really. The fact that we hand over basic responsibilities like healthcare, considerable taxation and loads of infrastructure regulation to the state (something that frightens many Americans, yes, we know that...) does not make our countries become socialistic. In fact, we find some of the most heavily regulated markets in the world's wealthiest countries, which, as a bonus, can also claim to have one of the smallest social gaps worldwide. :)
Jan 26 2012 12:32PM
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nickyp
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When people use the capitalism-socialism dichotomy, they mean neoclassicism vs communitarianism.


Every single country in the world has socialist elements, and every single country in the world has capitalist elements, so the dichotomy is redundant. I used his terminology for ease.
Jan 26 2012 12:33PM
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nickyp
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Not really. Even low level corruption in liberal economies is punished, because the way firm ownership is structured means that there is a high level of private oversight. Look at cases of misaccounting, Enron being an extreme case. In liberal economies, the corrupt are found out, and then hung out to dry. In communitarian economies, oversight is performed by the very people running the companies, and they're not going to punish themselves.
Jan 26 2012 12:36PM
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vauban08
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There are several very capitalistic countries that have the burden of heavy corruption, which is only sometimes linked to the market system itself, but often also to traditional society structures. Take Italy as an example. Not less capitalistic then Germany, but way more corrupted.

Corruption knows no boundaries and no market systems.
Jan 26 2012 12:38PM
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freerider54
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Where do we sit on this sliding scale of "liberal economies?" We have plenty of beaurocracy here, some designed to oversee those "free markets." And to keep the gov't organizations in check? Watchdog groups and oversight committees.

Consequently, low level corruption (i'll humor you and call it that, even though many people lost their pensions with Enron) is punished, but not discouraged. After the fact a few people go to jail, and have massive pensions when they get out. Only message sent is don't get caught.

In the end greed wins and the 1% will always find a way. The question is...how well does that economy take care of the least of it's people?
Jan 26 2012 3:03PM
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stoned_sorcerer
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Why is Richard Branson owning an island fun to you?
Jan 26 2012 3:47PM
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Brenone
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facepalm.jpeg
Jan 26 2012 4:18PM
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juninho
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what most heavily regulated nation that is also one of the worlds wealthiest nations are you referring to?
Jan 28 2012 9:58AM
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Blurst
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hahahhahahahah idiot
Jan 28 2012 10:02AM
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juninho
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double facepalm.   list me the socialist elements in singapore
Jan 28 2012 10:03AM
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Blurst
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I will use a totally non ridiculous example. Tell me how the US government has socialist elements?
Jan 28 2012 10:11AM
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juninho
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triple facepalm!

iq and the wealth of nations much?
Jan 28 2012 10:11AM
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juninho
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is this a joke? 
Jan 28 2012 10:19AM
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juninho
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if the us taxed the wealthy enough to keep our current entitlements going without incrasing the debt, let alone incoming obamacare, so many us billionares would flee the us that enough would land in greece, and greece would be laughing their fucking asses off at the us implosion of a default
Jan 28 2012 10:29AM
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juninho
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^current entitlements + UNFUNDED LIABILITIES
Jan 28 2012 10:35AM
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juninho
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knowing its possibile that i could one day own an island like that is fun for me, retard
Jan 28 2012 10:39AM
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juninho
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do you know what the us tax rate would be if we taxed enough to become debt neutral, let alone pay back our debt, in order to afford obamacare, current entitlements, student and home loan defaults, and unfunded liabilities? 
Jan 28 2012 10:50AM
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theabortionator
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wut
Jan 28 2012 11:23AM
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jayo.
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It's not. You will never amount to anything.
Jan 28 2012 11:37AM
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Hoppy
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Yeah, and Kate Winslet turned out to be bad ass
Jan 28 2012 12:18PM
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vauban08
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Can you use proper English to make your point? Idk - German or French would be ok, too, but haven't started to take Yoda-English courses yet. ;)
Jan 29 2012 8:05AM
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juninho
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well thats just like your opinion, man ...
Jan 29 2012 5:01PM
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Legoman
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Everyone in the projects has an island like this because they live in a capitalist economy.

derp
Jan 29 2012 5:42PM
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jwmwow
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An economics teacher at a local school made a statement that he
had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an
entire class. That class had insisted that Gillard/Brown socialism
worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a
great
equalizer.

The teacher then said, "OK, we will have an experiment
in this class on the Gillard/Brown plan". All grades will be
averaged and
everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one
will
receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer
to
home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the
grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied
hard
were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the
second
test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even
less
and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so
they
studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.


When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.


As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering,
blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one
would
study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL
FAILED and the teacher told them that socialism would also
ultimately fail
because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great,
but
when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want
to
succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that. (Please pass this
on)



These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and
all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor
into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2.
What one person receives without working for, another person must
work for
without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody
anything that the government does not first take from somebody
else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When
half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work
because the
other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half
gets the
idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to
get
what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any
nation.

Can you think of a reason for not sharing this? Neither could I.
Jan 29 2012 5:51PM
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D-40
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FUCK ALL OF YOUR STUPID BULLSHIT.
Jan 29 2012 5:53PM
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juninho
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mad props mad + karma
end fuckin thead/
Jan 29 2012 6:15PM
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dreadyboy
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Oh yeah?
Jan 29 2012 6:21PM
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juninho
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are you proving my point?
Jan 29 2012 6:38PM
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juninho
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because if that was filmed in the soviet era, it would have been a soviet made rope, which would have snapped and made it not as much fun
Jan 29 2012 6:42PM
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juninho
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nice troll attempt
Jan 29 2012 7:13PM
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juninho
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yo read above yur post, genius
Jan 29 2012 7:37PM
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Anathema
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HOLY QUAD POST BATMAN
Jan 29 2012 7:39PM
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