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Have full tilts but still get shinbang. WTF?

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Deej*
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ok so this is i guess a pretty simple question but ive got last years classics with a #4 tongue. So after about 2 days of skiing i get really bad shinbang and its painfull to ski. I just wanted to know if there was an actual reason because i mean full tilts arnt supposed to give u shinbang, like thats what they say. So someone give me some suggestions
Jan 10 2012 5:44PM
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P.opsicle
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Go to a bootfitter. 9 times out of 10, there is an issue with fitment if you have shin bang.
Jan 10 2012 5:46PM
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griz_lee
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chances are you are skiing or landing in the back seat. doesnt matter what boot you have that will give you shin bang.
Jan 10 2012 5:50PM
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Logey.
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LOL.

From what i have heard its because you land back seat and the muscles on you shin get pulled back and over stretched thats why it hurts. And full tilts are ass, ive tried them and didnt get any support in my foot.
Jan 10 2012 5:55PM
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skituner
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haha wow you are proof that full tilt's marketing works
Jan 10 2012 6:29PM
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Poikenz
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Well if they didn't fit your foot then I can understand but anything support wise= get some foot beds.
Jan 10 2012 6:34PM
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Trace.
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Go to a bootfitter and all your problems can be solved!
Jan 10 2012 6:34PM
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BigBadWolf
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Go get some SPKs, best decision i have ever made
Jan 10 2012 6:44PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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this and SPK's likely won't solve anything.
Jan 10 2012 6:46PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Best advice - dont listen to NS for boot advice. Go to a shop that knows its shit and listen to them.
Jan 10 2012 6:47PM
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NinetyFour
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bootfitter man.... Spk's are the first boots I personally tried on, They were way to wide, and way to narrow vertically. It felt like someone was stabbing the top of my foot while trying a few different sizes on. I tried on many different boots and ended up with some dalbellos. Try on many boots, not whats trending. Glad SPK's are working out for you though, the rubber toe feature is very sick.
Jan 10 2012 6:47PM
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KrzyzZ
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yo i have the same problem holy cock it sucks, this is what i do it helps, dont ski for like a week so shinbang goes a=somewhat away not as paiful and get skinbang eliminators and put your boots to the tighest setting so there is no space between it
Jan 10 2012 7:09PM
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Deej*
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i didnt buy them becasue they said that they wont give me shinbang i got them because well they were free and that they are the most comfortable boot
Jan 10 2012 7:26PM
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Lawd
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stomp it and land centered or land switch off everything.

ice, tighten your boots, get a taller t, booster straps, custom foot beds, stretch dem calf muscles and take some anti-inflamzz

enjoy
Jan 10 2012 8:21PM
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Crispy.
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Read any other of the 5,272 shin bang threads
Jan 10 2012 10:07PM
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meowmo
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just cuz they are fulltilts doesnt mean a shinbang cure
Jan 10 2012 10:41PM
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Jo_n
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hahahaha
Jan 11 2012 10:37AM
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.nasty
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anyone recommending this kid a specific boot is an idiot.

go to a shop with a boot "oven" and have them heat mold your liners. if that doesn't work then you got fitted for the wrong boot.
Jan 11 2012 10:41AM
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GypsyLovin
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Tiggten up your top buckle and powerstrap... Trust me
Jan 11 2012 10:57AM
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CalebT
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Jan 11 2012 11:02AM
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.R-Lohin
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Full Tilts don't stop shinbang rofl... Just don't land backseat, problem solved.
Jan 11 2012 11:59AM
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Mt_Baker_Man
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 105
You probably have boots that are too big. You should be in a boot size that is 1-2 sizes smaller than your street shoe size. Also, it may have something to do with your technique.
Jan 11 2012 12:17PM
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Billups
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Learning how to properly ski would probably be beneficial to you. And getting your boots properly fit.
Jan 11 2012 12:26PM
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.nasty
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no. it all depends on your foot. for in stance I have zero arch in my foot so it fits the same as my shoe size. my friend has a lot of arch in his foot and he wears 1 size down.

It all depends on the foot, which is another reason to get fitted properly
Jan 11 2012 10:04PM
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ballsofsteeze
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so true. go to a fitter like anyone should. bring your free boots and see if they can make them fit you better and eliminate your shinbang. if they simply don't fit, either suck it up or buy some new boots. and i have fulltilts in a 28.5 and i wear a 10.5/11 shoe so for me its true to size. but OP, remember what works for me or anyone on ns won't necessarily work for you. get to a fitter who knows what he's talking about and knows fulltilt-since you have them. tell them exactly your problem and let them do the rest.
Jan 11 2012 10:29PM
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Mt_Baker_Man
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 105
Arch has nothing to do with it. If you wear a certain street shoe size, you probably should size down. If you take the liner out and put your naked foot in the shell, and barely rest your toes against the end, you shouldn't get more than 1-2 stacked fingers behind your heel. Your flat foot doesn't have shit to do with how boots/shoes fit.

As a general guide, MOST people need to size down from their street shoe at least a full size. Of course there are exceptions, but that is why I said go to a bootfitter.

But again. the fact that you said something about having no arch, clearly communicates you know nothing about boots, shoes, or feet.
Jan 11 2012 11:57PM
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BerGNARdo
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MOST people wear there shoes wayyy to big. You're taught to buy them big so you can grow into them. so the first fifteen or so years of your life are gonna be in too big of shoes. once your feet stop growing you realize that all shoes should pretty much fit like ski boots, as in there shouldn't be any space between your toes and the end of the boot, just comfortably touching.

I bought 10.5 and 11 skate shoes a few years ago when I was 16 and 17 so I could grow into them... until I realized my feet had stopped growing and I was actually a 9.5/10.

Now all the things for my feet, my ski boots, rockclimbing shoes, running shoes and vans are the same size. It should be the same for everyone unless you have a weird preference for extra room or curled toes.

OP, ft's generally hurt (should be more like intense discomfort) everybody when they're breaking a new pair in at the beginning of the season. Your foot and calf muscles are out of shape and the foam needs to pack in just a bit still. Of course like everyone's said, stop landing backseat, get booster straps and have your liners molded. But give it at least like 10 days before deciding they don't fit you. My first pair took 16 days of straight riding and a then a week off before feeling good. My new konflicts felt great by only the 5th day this year.
Jan 12 2012 1:17AM
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Mt_Baker_Man
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 105
NO!!!! no no no.

Dude, go up to ANY racer/pro skier/local ripper.

Ask them: what their street shoe size is, and what size boot they wear.

I wear an 8 or 8.5 US mens street shoe, a 41.5 or 42 rock climbing shoe (TIGHT fit).

BUT... I wear a 24 ski boot. It fits me well, its the proper size (for me). Most people fall into the one size down category.

P.S. have you ever done a shell fit? How much room do you have behind your foot when you do?
Jan 12 2012 2:14AM
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Jibbidy
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Yeah I almost cried the first bit after buying them, convinced they were too small. Shell fit said otherwise so I shredded in them hard and now they are perfect. ****Try doing the velcro strap over the liner before you hook your cables and tighten the buckles. My legs are skinny so it really reduces any play and gaps between the liner and my leg/shin. That play causes shinbang, both from backseat landings and forward battering of your shin against the top edge of the liner.
Jan 12 2012 2:57AM
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Blindsurfer
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only the twalls botters and drop kicks are supposed to get rid of shinbang dude.
Jan 12 2012 7:45AM
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shreddenator
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I concur.

The evidence of this fact must be clear to the op.... how many NSers have claim that Fulltilt are the magic bullet to cure shin bang....?

Notice all the Full Tilt missfittings on the gear thread lately? The boot has to fit the anatomy of your specific foot to feel good. No brand, model, liner or footbed can solve that problem. And certainly no brand has a monopoly or ownership on a good fit. Full Tilt boot will work great if they fit your foot right, otherwise forget it...(same goes for salomon, lange, dalbello, fischer, atomic...etc...)

Gotta stop buying boots from the internet, or large sport stores.....support your local ski shop and see a bootfitter! If you are a dedicated skier this is the only way to assure a performance fit.
Jan 12 2012 8:50AM
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cct_222
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get full tilts...
Jan 12 2012 2:01PM
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JayDope
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LOL............get a foot bed.....basically full tilts dont even come with a piece of shit foot bed because it just adds cost to the boot, so they recommend buying an aftermarket foot bed
Jan 12 2012 2:26PM
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VD.
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Full Tilts are great boots but like any boot they only work if they fit you feet, FTs have a narrower last and the cable wrap system really does wrap the boot around your leg, however because FTs are narrower people go up sizes thinking that FT are the answer to all skiing problems. However going larger will bring back all the problems FTs are designed to combat (shin bang and toe bang). Lastly as far as I'm aware you cant put footbeds in FTs.

My Advice: Go to a quality bootfitter, if you dont think youve got his full attention leave the shop, find somewhere where they know what they're talking about, they spend time looking at your feet and lastly somewhere with a large selection. There's nothing worse than poorly fitting boots it ruins you day on the hill and can ruin you season, I've heard stories of people fracturing shins because their boots sont fit.

Jan 12 2012 3:01PM
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AJizzle
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I would put a LOT of money on you having bought them a full shell size or two bigger than you should of off of the internet. Unfortunately there is not much a bootfitter can do to make a boot that is wayy to big fit correctly, outside of just adding padding. It looks like you are probably going to have to buy new boots (guess). Go see a bootfitter, they will be able to tell you exactly what is going on.
Jan 12 2012 3:14PM
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.nasty
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you're really trying to tell me arch has nothing to do with a boot fits? Am I hearing this right? I'm not saying it has everything to do with it but it has it's own presence. Your long replies don't make you as smart as you think you are. I don't claim to know much, I was just saying that you're little "rule" of sizing down is complete horse shit.
Jan 13 2012 12:32AM
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Mt_Baker_Man
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 105
I am telling you that you are dead wrong. Arch has nothing to do with a boots length. Length is the only thing that cannot be changed much. If a boot is too big, its fucked. If a boot is too small, you might be able to punch and grind it into a decent fit.

An arch, if not supported properly, will cause ankle instability within the ski boot. It will not, however, somehow squish your foot out 2 sizes. I do this shit for a living... So technically, my horse shit smells like 50 bucks an hour?

Cool story bro.
Jan 13 2012 3:16AM
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shreddenator
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Hey Mt-Baker bootfitter I am with you in saying that the fallen arch impacts little on the requirements for boot length... (mondo size)

But correct me if I am wrong, but an unsupported arch or fallen arch will cause instability and flatten the sole of your foot pushing the side of your foot out. Then again, this would cause hotspots and soreness on his pinky and outside of his foot.

The op doesn' t complain of sore feet, just shinbang which suggests that he has an oversize boot/poor fit and/or lands backseat way too often.

Regardless.......The guys should ignore this speculation and go see his bootfitter already...
Jan 13 2012 8:43AM
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Mt_Baker_Man
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 105
Unstable midfeet usually cause ankles to waffle around, and also strange things to happen in the forefoot. Not always spreading out, but definitely issues. I have an exceptionally high arch, and loose foot structure, but skiing without my custom footbeds does very little to the overall fit of a boot.

9 times out of 10, shinbang is caused by TWO things. Improper form, and boots that are too big. Although not always connected to park skiing, it is an easy way to encounter that problem.

If a boot is sized correctly, and you are landing backseat/skiing with poor form, you will get very sore knees, and sometimes a bruise on your shin, but it is typically different than "shin bang" which is almost always related to boot size.

P.S. I wouldn't call me a bootfitter, more like an intern, lol.
Jan 13 2012 12:13PM
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AJizzle
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Hey shreddinator, my bootfitting dick is bigger than ur bootfitting dick
Jan 13 2012 8:26PM
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Kjell
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Jan 15 2012 3:06PM
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J.M
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this thread is full of lol's.

Jan 15 2012 3:11PM
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.R-Lohin
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They'll never know why you still get shin bang in Full Tilts...
Jan 15 2012 9:55PM
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james6345789
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This is like the perfect shit storm of all gear talk threads
Jan 15 2012 10:10PM
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belden...
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landing backseat is landing backseat...
Jan 15 2012 10:16PM
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iggs
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not this shit again... THERES A NEW THREAD ABOUT THIS SAME PROBLEM EVERY FUCKING WEEK!!!
Jan 16 2012 11:04AM
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goonsquad08
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brand of boot doesnt matter if it doesn't fit properly.

Jan 16 2012 1:22PM
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JIBpsy^^
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call upon the ancient chinese warrior spirit that resides in each pair of full tilts and ask him to pretect you from discomfort. I did this and now i am todd wazbammer
Jan 16 2012 3:22PM
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ParkoverPow
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Advice from a shop "boot ffitter" and Full Tilt boots owner:

We were told by our Full Tilt Rep to drop the tongue open, tighten the strap snug, THEN flip the tongue up and lock your 3 cables. Hope this helps :)
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