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Okla. Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder after 911 operator OKs it

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PopsicleStand
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just thought you all would want to hear a feel-good story. hope this sort of thing never happens to yourself, you know? but glad it worked out for the best. sorry for the formatting

good riddance to the dude that died



Okla. Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder: 911 Operators Say It's
OK to Shoot
By KEVIN DOLAK and RYAN OWENS | Good Morning America – 14 hrs ago
A young Oklahoma mother shot and killed an intruder to protect her 3-month-old baby on New Year's Eve, less than a week
after the baby's father died of cancer.
Sarah McKinley says that a week earlier a man named Justin Martin dropped by on the day of her husband's funeral,
claiming that he was a neighbor who wanted to say hello. The 18-year-old Oklahoma City area woman did not let him into
her home that day.
On New Year's Eve Martin returned with another man, Dustin Stewart, and this time was armed with a 12-inch hunting
knife. The two soon began trying to break into McKinley's home.
As one of the men was going from door to door outside her home trying to gain entry, McKinley called 911 and grabbed her
12-gauge shotgun.
McKinley told ABC News Oklahoma City affiliate KOCO that she quickly got her 12 gauge, went into her bedroom and got a
pistol, put the bottle in the baby's mouth and called 911.
"I've got two guns in my hand -- is it okay to shoot him if he comes in this door?" the young mother asked the 911 dispatcher
"I'm here by myself with my infant baby, can I please get a dispatcher out here immediately?"
The 911 dispatcher confirmed with McKinley that the doors to her home were locked as she asked again if it was okay to
shoot the intruder if he were to come through her door.
"I can't tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby," the dispatcher told her. McKinley
was on the phone with 911 for a total of 21 minutes.
When Martin kicked in the door and came after her with the knife, the teen mom shot and killed the 24-year-old. Police are
calling the shooting justified.
"You're allowed to shoot an unauthorized person that is in your home. The law provides you the remedy, and sanctions the
use of deadly force," Det. Dan Huff of the Blanchard police said.
Stewart soon turned himself in to police.
McKinley said that she was at home alone with her newborn that night because her husband just died of cancer on Christmas
Day.
"I wouldn't have done it, but it was my son," McKinley told ABC News Oklahoma City affiliate KOCO. "It's not an easy
decision to make, but it was either going to be him or my son. And it wasn't going to be my son. There's nothing more
dangerous than a woman with a child."


Jan 4 2012 6:41PM
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.powder
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woot, nice one mom.
Jan 4 2012 6:44PM
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Crocodile
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Good on her
Jan 4 2012 6:45PM
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skijunkiedtm
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Husband died on Christmas and dudes are breaking in on new years with buck knives? And all this at 18? fucked.
Jan 4 2012 6:45PM
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Phil-X-
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that mother musta felt pretty badass
Jan 4 2012 6:47PM
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.AR6rider.
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Should have shot him in the kneecaps and then beat him to death.
Jan 4 2012 6:48PM
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gnartogue
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because i feel like i would be too much of a pussy to shoot and kill someone, i would prob just shoot them in the leg and then like smash there legs up with a baseball bat and maybe teabag them or some shit
Jan 4 2012 6:53PM
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howlongcanausern
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a responsible adult using legal firearms to defend themselves in a life-or-death scenario.

inb4 mike-o
Jan 4 2012 6:54PM
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cobra_commander
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I wouldn't have called 911, I would have called the PD politely asking if they wanted to look at the two bodies on my door step before I had them carted off.
Jan 4 2012 6:55PM
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FerrisBueller
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Im glad she shot that fucker.
Jan 4 2012 6:59PM
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zagfan5
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this. everything in this situation went the way it should have. from the 911 responder saying what they did, to the police closing the case right away. +1 for humankind (minus the crooks, but theyre dead anyways..)
Jan 4 2012 7:00PM
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cobra_commander
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Your castle extends all the way to the property line, not just your front door.

two guys with a 12 in knife trying to kick in my door? Ya, I guess I should let them get into the fatal funnel first, that sounds smarter.
Jan 4 2012 7:03PM
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PopsicleStand
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Now I may be wrong so correct me if I am, but the way I understand it is you respond to threat with an equal response outside of your home, right?

Meaning, if your jerk ass neighbor is spray painting your driveway and you blast him, you would be in the wrong. But if the neighbor is walking up your driveway towards you with a knife, then you have the right to deadly force. Inside the home is game on though.

Is that true?
Jan 4 2012 7:08PM
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Sulli
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the one thing that puzzles me is that if the woman was on the phone with 911 for 21 min. and assuming the call might have ended after she shot those guys.  Where what were the cops doin that it took more than 21 minutesto show up?????????
Jan 4 2012 7:08PM
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CliffyByro
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it said the other guy turned himself in, so has he given any reason as to why they were there.

but yeah, good on her. it sucks that if i were in the same situation, or any of my family were, the outcome of this would be extremely different. that being said, the fact that our guns are locked away down a cupboard would make reaching for a baseball bat far more convenient anyway. even then you'd probably get done for gbh or similar
Jan 4 2012 7:10PM
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steezy.stew
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She did the right thing. What a badass
Jan 4 2012 7:11PM
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cobra_commander
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Depends on local law, and societal opinion. I would think anyone who blasts someone away for spray painting their drive way will need some sort of heavy mental help, and should probably not be left around others, or alone, in public.

Keep in mind, you may have to defend yourself against a jury of your peers, who will all be either too dumb to get out of jury duty, or have some sort of social agenda they want to push.

It will also be up to how the police, and DA, perceive things from their arm chair. I would consider age, race and gender to play large roles in how everything is viewed. A 26 year old male, who shoots a 17 year old armed teenager breaking into his house, is probably more likely to see jail time than a 21 year old girl, blasting the fuck out of a 35 year old unarmed black man in her apartment hallway.

My guess is that unless you live in a state heavily populated by modern gun hating, PETA supporting vegetarian liberal pussies (I'm looking at you Peoples Democratic Republic of California) you should probably wait until the puke has killed an innocent, rapped three 12 year old girls, and has been asked politely 3 times to stop after each assault/rape, before shooting him. You should also ensure that your attorney is on hand to help you fight against the lawsuit from his welfare hungry free-ride hunting family that you will almost certainly be charged with.

If you live in one of the states that still values things like personal property, individual rights, and all the other good stuff in the BofR, blast away.

If you are not too scared, wait for the fucker to come through the door, there is a reason we call it the fatal funnel.
Jan 4 2012 7:53PM
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stickski
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hahaha such a solid post
Jan 4 2012 8:00PM
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PopsicleStand
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Yeah I do understand that there were nuances including public perception, but I guess ultimately this is what I was getting at. It all becomes kind of irrelevant when you are scared for your life.
Jan 4 2012 8:00PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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yeah what took the cops so long?
Jan 4 2012 8:00PM
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PopsicleStand
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In rural america (which is my assumption in her case) police response time can be quite long.
Jan 4 2012 8:01PM
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GayWolf420
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Fucking owned.
Jan 4 2012 8:04PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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guess thats true, i've never lived anywhere rural. few times i've had to call 911 they've showed up in a couple minutes, no longer than 4 or 5 thats for sure.
Jan 4 2012 8:04PM
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yuck
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shes gonna be an awesome mom
Jan 4 2012 8:05PM
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Captain_Slow
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The police couldnt have showed up during those 21 minutes?
Jan 4 2012 8:08PM
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cobra_commander
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Judged by 12 vs. Carried by 6.

Check local laws. I carry a gun with me most of the time, and keep them where I live, I would not shoot anyone if I did not fear for myself, or someone else's life/liberty. Ex. I would not shoot someone trying to steel the car in my driveway, unless he is threatening to kill/hurt me or others. I might put my self where he would have to kill/hurt me to take the car, and then kill him when he tried to, but that gets to another thread. There are no personal possessions of mine that I would kill some one over. You try and take the dog though...

Most criminals chose crime because they view it as an easier path, they are usually not ones to try out things that take time and hard work to achieve. Most criminals, even armed ones, will look for easier pray if you assert yourself and do not become a victim.
Jan 4 2012 8:11PM
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fujarome
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new years eve they were probably tied up with bullshit calls (holidays bring domestic disputes over the most ridiculous stuff)


plus there's a good chance that that police department covers a huge, most likely rural area, and the travel time alone could easily be 20+ minutes.
Jan 4 2012 8:12PM
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saskskierftw
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Lol
Jan 4 2012 9:49PM
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malonius_funk
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where i live it would take the cops quite a while to reach me, unless there just happened to be a sheriff close by which would be highly unlikely seeing as i've seen only 2 sheriffs on my road, ever, in the 17 years i've lived here.
Jan 4 2012 9:55PM
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scientist
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new years eve mane, harder to get a cop than a taxi.
Jan 4 2012 9:58PM
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theabortionator
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Jan 4 2012 9:59PM
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Flying~Squirrel
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Jan 4 2012 10:02PM
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crab_pretzel
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fuck yea. they got what they deserved

altho, the 911 operator never "OK"d it if you listen to the soundbyte, and its not exactly a feel good story because somebody still died whether they were good or not. but i am completely for what she did, glad to see it happening
Jan 4 2012 10:43PM
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soulskier
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reminds me of a very similar news story from a while back, only an elderly woman was involved in the last one

that's one thing i hope i never have to do
Jan 4 2012 10:46PM
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