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Downrate and GTFO.

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Mr.Bishop
Posts: 22708 - Karma: 76,635
Well, so as it looks, there are a few people out there really ruining the party for everyone.

I am making the official announcement that we are coming up with a new ratings system based on simple up/down voting, and we are going to scrap the entire historical system in favour of the new one.

However - this is going to take us probably a month or so to get done. Its no tiny task to completely re-think the way that the site calculates ratings, and change up all the systems which look for top rated media. It is going to be worth it.

In the meantime though, downrating will NOT BE TOLERATED. I had Paul build myself and the admins a tool which allows us to quickly check the ratings of individual media items and users. We are able to in a few seconds call up every rating that you have ever done on the site. Sure you think that you can get away with saying 'well I thought that photo sucked' but we can INSTANTLY tell when you're lying. The reason is that we have ratings habits of all times of you, and can look at the patterns.

Take for example, user tpills.

His friend uploaded this photo:

Which is decent, and people liked it. I liked it. I rated it well, as I thought it was a worthy candidate.

However, that day there were other really worthy candidates currently listed in 'top rated of the day'

In order to make his photo advance better, user tpills went through the top rated and did this:


I understand why. Hell one of my own photos was a candidate that day, and I was really hoping to see it advance. I couldn't believe the stab in the heart I felt when I realized that I was doing well, but someone went through and gave me a 1 which dropped my rating. I can imagine how horrible it feels for all of you when this happens, seeing your photo or video doing well and then all of a sudden struck down.

Upon confronting user tpills, he stated that his simply rates stuff a 1 that he doesn't like. What is interesting is that is true of most of you on here... you rate stuff either a 10 or a 1. An immense proportion of the votes on the site are either 10 or 1, with very little in between... though a smattering of votes between 7 and 10.

So you're all begging for an up/down system and we'll give it. But we need to do it right.

What I am offended to see is the fact that when people put their own photo in our system, they all of a sudden try to cheat.

We here at newschoolers try to give exposure to the unknown riders with potential. We try to build something that is representative of what the people want, and it gets pissed all over it not by only trying to game the system but by then pretending like its 'just your opinion'.

Frankly this is the reason that traditional media usually doesn't listen to the masses. Jerks come in and game it for their own reasons.

Noting all of that, we will build something that is impossible to game. We'll use the mechanics that Reddit uses, and get something in place that is really fancy and will make this a thing of the past.

I hate that it has to come to this, but I guess it is what it is.

Until then - DO NOT DOWNRATE. I will find you, I will hunt you down, I will ban you and I will publicly embarass you.

Vote stuff what it deserves. Its not hard.

Sorry for filpping out, but this shit is ruining what we're trying to do here, which is give exposure to the up-and-coming athletes, photographers and videographers.


Jan 4 2012 12:12PM
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SassySloth
Posts: 3753 - Karma: 2,095
This is out of control. the time and effort Nipwitz puts in to create this awesome video, wont get showcased as good because kids are stuck up and aren't matured
Feb 13 2012 12:54PM
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MacMahoooon
Posts: 9009 - Karma: 3,305
True definition of Downrating, someone actually created a few dozen accounts to downrate this edit
Feb 13 2012 4:34PM
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Mike-O
Posts: 14593 - Karma: 1,089
Seriously? Can the scores be nuked if it's that obvious?

And per chance, any possibility of getting an idea where the "hater" is from?
Feb 13 2012 4:36PM
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Tasche
Posts: 5422 - Karma: 99
It has probably already been said but I highly suggest taking a look at the Reddit code for this change in the framework of the site. It would be nice if the front page could be sorted by up and down votes and not just latest reply.
Feb 13 2012 5:26PM
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MacMahoooon
Posts: 9009 - Karma: 3,305
Seems people haven't gotten the hint, if you blatantly down rate media you will be banned, plain and simple. We'll find you!
Feb 17 2012 3:58PM
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k-rob
Posts: 14217 - Karma: 2,891
top rated was so much better when it was just pics of dead people.
Feb 21 2012 1:28PM
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k-rob
Posts: 14217 - Karma: 2,891
oh wait nvm i forgot to click on "all time."
Feb 21 2012 1:29PM
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steezysteeze
Posts: 1739 - Karma: 1,012
I usually look at the average rating of the photo and If I like it I'll rate it one higher, if I really like it 2 higher, and if I don't like it, 1 lower.
Feb 22 2012 6:24AM
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onenerdykid
Posts: 6656 - Karma: 10,861
is this policy made public anywhere else but here? or did I miss it?
Feb 22 2012 6:57AM
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jason...
Posts: 9006 - Karma: 780
shits happening to me again, can you make it so we can view who rated our videos/pictures?
Feb 26 2012 2:19PM
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bakedpow
Posts: 8770 - Karma: 10,467
People keep down rating my photos. I am not sure why. It was rated 10 out 10 for a bit then down to 7. Happened 3 times.

I agree it would be nice to see who rates you down.

Or lets actually get banning (not sure if you have already) its disappointing when something that both me and the photog worked hard for and see it just shot down.

Its getting annoying.
Feb 27 2012 12:20AM
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PJS.
Posts: 11943 - Karma: 895
kill them.
Feb 27 2012 10:18AM
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Powderhauser
Posts: 546 - Karma: 38
to add to this, since you guys can monitor and block ip addresses, why not only allow say two accounts per ip. like sure, maybe both you and your brother or sister share a computer and are dedicated to skiing, this would prevent excessive account registrations. and really, whos gonna use all the computers at the public library just to make a couple dozen accounts
Feb 28 2012 12:22AM
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Powderhauser
Posts: 546 - Karma: 38
oops quoted the wrong post.. revert to MacMahoooon's earlier post.
Feb 28 2012 12:26AM
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bakedpow
Posts: 8770 - Karma: 10,467
I am having a consistent problem with people rating my pictures at 1. It's really starting to bug me, I delete them, then reupload and it happens again...
Feb 28 2012 12:27AM
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Mike-O
Posts: 14593 - Karma: 1,089
Good idea, but it would be pretty futile. It takes literally 3 seconds to get past the IP block by using a proxy.
Feb 28 2012 3:55AM
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Broseph_Stalin
Posts: 3745 - Karma: 178
im not sure if its been mentioned but why not just a "liking" system, this way is only the positive end that you see which is all that matters really. also its a good way to keep vibes positive. like a "boss" button, see how many people think that it is boss as opposed to seeing how many people do not like it because quite frankly if i were to upload something i wount care to see if someone didnt like it, but it would be nice to see who does. and if this has already been proposed then i guess you have another supporter of it
Mar 1 2012 1:31PM
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freestyler540
Posts: 13082 - Karma: 18,719
https://www.newschoolers.com/photo/434581.0/cork7?c=1&o=9&t=1

Another example
Mar 3 2012 7:27PM
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Mike-O
Posts: 14593 - Karma: 1,089
That sucks, gave you a 10 for good measure.

But in a way it does cement what some people havebeen saying, that they either give 1 star or 10 stars if they rate a picture or a video, much like with Karma, all or nothing.

Mar 3 2012 7:35PM
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k-rob
Posts: 14217 - Karma: 2,891
i very rarely give 10's, it would be completely stupid to go around giving everyone a 10. i give lots of 1's for utter shit and other digits for everything in between but 10's are only for pics of dead people.
Mar 4 2012 3:16AM
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Noddard
Posts: 2652 - Karma: 3,831
Why not just keep the one through ten concept and just make it weighted averages that way down rating won't effect it as much?
Mar 6 2012 6:26AM
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YoungDaysMedia
Posts: 1591 - Karma: 1,400
A+

helps out a lot of up and coming photgraphers and videographers thats are looking to gain some credit

its good to see a website like ns addressing these issues, strengthens the community
Jun 28 2012 2:03PM
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Miomo
Posts: 4302 - Karma: 14,133
Oh my god. You really didn't realize that this thread is old and the changes have already been put into effect?
Jun 28 2012 2:21PM
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Algebra
Posts: 5215 - Karma: 1,677
i got one question, and no i dont downrate. but what if it is really that shitty?
Jul 2 2012 7:50PM
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corona
Posts: 12794 - Karma: 32,720
then it's not downrating..
Jul 2 2012 11:42PM
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