Obama signs NDAA bill into law

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and not trying to be a tool or anything but remember habeas corpus via Abraham Lincoln. No Big Deal right? just let it run it's course, if you aren't a terrorist so don't worry about it.

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I just looked this up and it's the same thing Bush did. I don't see the problem. Just cause he has the power doesn't mean he will use it

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Funny how he keeps repeating "My Administration will not and never would use this law to harm any US citizens blah blah" in the addendum.

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I'm sorry man, but thats the worst logic I've ever heard.

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HOLY FUCK! i was utterly disgusted for a second

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Lol its worse if you only picture the middle pig... see what I mean?

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well you tell me what is going to happen as a result of this bill? Is Obama going to imprison everybody who doesn't agree with him?

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yes

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No, I respect Obama and intend to vote for him next election. But the Idea that someone holding a power like this isn't a big deal and is ok because they "probably won't use it" is dangerous and naive. I don't think Obama will abuse it, but that doesn't mean he should have the ability to do this. Implicit trust in the government is just as dangerous as an openly corrupt government.

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I understand your point but nobody would be stupid enough to actually use this power. If someone did, America would go ape shit

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Threads for win I'm not so high

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So would you rather him just let everybody from Guantanomo Bay go free or would you rather him use this bill? Cause that's why he passed it, to keep those guys in jail

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I certainly hope America would go ape shit. I just think it's good to question and stand up to the government when some of the powers of the Executive branch have more in common with totalitarian governments than what our own constitution guarantees.

Also, I think if they did this they would make sure nobody heard about it.

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Nobody would hear about it for sure but would it really be an innocent american citizen or somebody who was actually a terrorist?

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BTW, not referring to OP.

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I'm curious as to what would happen if (when) an American citizen gets arrested or detained through use of this law. If they brought it to court, it'd no doubt end up in the supreme court...

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Ok. What do you think is going to be the result of this bill being passed? I don't think anything will happen because Bush did the same thing. The news talked about it for 3 days and then everyone forgot about it because it really isn't that big a deal

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This seems to be our difference, I try to be cynical about our government. I don't think its worth the chance that they abuse the power.

“Those who would give up Essential Liberty, to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" -Benjamin Franklin

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I'm really cynical about government too, just not about this bill because like i said to woozy Bush did the same thing and nothing happened. Everyone was preparing for a shit storm but nothing happened

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When did Bush have the power to indefinitely detain American citizens without trial?

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It was in the middle of his presidency. He suspended Habeas Corpus or something and it in effect did the same thing that this bill is doing

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From what I've read about this it suspended habeas corpus for "unlawful enemy combatants" and seems specifically meant for foreign terrorist targets (not that this makes it ok, or un-abusable). The law just signed specifically gives the military the right to suspend American citizens.

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While the wording is different they give the same power

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If you truly believe that kind of thing could happen again without ridiculous amounts of backlash from all over the world and from right here at home, your view of America must be very bleak

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I'm still reading, so perhaps it's addressed further in the article-

the claim used is that no court has jurisdiction due to the variables involved in guantanamo detainees. (different nationalities, reason for detainment, etc.)

however I question whether that would go by so easily if it was an american citizen who was plucked out of anytown USA.

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Not our views of America, our views of government. Detaining an American citizen for the right reasons and with the best of intentions without due process is wrong and should never be supported.

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It is wrong and I'm not defending it. I'm just looking at the reality of the situation in which NOTHING will happen

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I really have no response to this other than you strike me as a very paranoid and pessimistic person and I hope someday you can find peace with the government

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For me it's about the principal though. By doing this we're going back on one of our nations founding ideals. I don't care if not one innocent American is ever hurt by this, I won't support the government having the power to do it.

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And that is where we differ. I say no harm no foul and you say it's the idea that counts. Thank you for the civil debate

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Germany under Hitler was a prime example of a totalitarian state. No idea what you're talking about.

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I feel like it's kind of a gray area. In some ways it is but in others it's not

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Indeed.

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No but your distrust of all forms of government makes me think you're paranoid

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Plus all your sources are sensationalist pieces or propaganda

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This is the kind of response that pisses me off the most. "How will it directly effect me? Oh it probably wont? I dont care then..".

Your innate rights as a human being are being stripped from you. Yet you are too worried about your own trivial little life to give a fuck about something that will greatly affect your country and eventually the way you live.

This WILL affect you, whether it be directly or indirectly, for the record.

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See the thing is, I watch a lot of news. Obviously not as much as you but if I don't end up hearing about it, either from a news source or from my dad when I talk to him (cause he watches even more than I do) it probably isn't that big of a deal. You are blowing every little thing out of proportion like you did with the troops coming home from Iraq thread. Nothing is going to happen because of this fucking bill. That is why you are paranoid, because you think something crazy is going to happen. NOTHING WILL FUCKING HAPPEN. That is the point.

Thank you and goodnight

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Or like the last time this happened when Bush did it, nothing will happen to anybody

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I was kinda hoping this debate would take off.

oh well.

I don't know enough about the NDAA bill/now law to really throw much out there unfortunately. I'll get back to this after doing some research.

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thank you!

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