Intuition Liners: Need Help

Those liners tend to last between 100-120 days depending on how well you took care of them. Could be less, could be more. But when they are toasted, they lose their fit and start to get cold. They are made of closed-cell foam and when this type of foam is too compressed (packed out) after enough usage, it cannot retain its fit nor warmth value.

Recooking them might help, but not for very long.

If you do a good job cooking them they will easily last double the time of a stock liner. The type of material they use is much harder to pack in...as long as you don' t overheat them during the initial fitting....I expect 200 days out of mine no problem.

However, if they are oem liners they may be made to different standards to accomodate the compnies needs...

Unfortunately, that's not correct. Closed-cell EVA foam packs out faster than "normal" liner foam. This is the major complaint of Intuition liners. What Intuition does well is finding unique ways to layer together different kinds of foam above and below the EVA layer. But still, that layer of EVA foam does pack out faster than normal and if you expect 200 days out of your liner you will most likely be disappointed.

Well that is you opinion, but with all do respect, it is tough to take as fact without some kind of reference, seeing how you are employed by atomic boots with all due respect,  of course. A little research on the net and a little real world experience suggests that they do last considerably longer... Don' t be mad but in my experience, it is you who is wrong....either way I will let you know in about 150 more days of skiing.

No worries, no offense taken. Before I worked for Atomic, I personally used Intuitions liners for 4+ years and still do. Now at Atomic, we co-develop liners with Intuition and I make at least one trip each year to their Chinese factory. One co-developed liner is available on our Tracker 130 Intuition boot. It is also available as an aftermarket liner. For 12/13, we are continuing to make this liner.

My point is not to bash Intuition, far from it. Their product is super warm, super light, very moldable and I am stoked to use it. One thing it does not do, unfortunately, is last longer than a normal liner (obviously depends on what liner you compare it to, it will last longer than our B50 liner but not our non-Intuition Tracker 130).

If there is a way to keep all the benefits of Intuition but make them last longer, believe me when I say I am working to figure it out.

Good for you, you are lucky to be employed by the industry and you have quite a ressume.

Some of the guys I ride with have had their powerwraps for over three seasons, have baked them multiple times and even transfered them to different boots. Most of the problems I have heard have to do with overheating the liner during fitting, and as you of all people should know that is crucial. Moreover I am not talking bout the oem $69 dollar ones from evo... I am talking about the one made in the Vancouver factory, of course.

I am sure the intuition/atomic collab liner you work with is excellent, but I have confidence that the powerwrap will last longer than the vast majority of oem liners any day....sorry Bro.

However, if you can get a liner to last even longer than Intuition products I am all for it...

Wait I hae been sidetracked. Most people can get an entire extra season on the second bake and a half season on the third. No harm in trying, just don' t over do it with the heat or all will be lost