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Pro skiing has become a foam pitters water rampers sport

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john.stossel
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props to phil belanger and all the mid schoolers who figured how to cork 9 without a foam pit.
Dec 26 2011 9:46PM
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cmo
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hahahaha respect
Dec 26 2011 9:48PM
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AlwaysDisagrees
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John Stossel with yet another stupid thread.
Dec 26 2011 9:51PM
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I.B
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I've never hit an airbag/foam pit/water ramp in my life and guess what? I suck
Dec 26 2011 9:54PM
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CrotchKiller
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slight relation https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/666439/page/2/
Dec 26 2011 9:56PM
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GNARSQUAW
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Yes!
Dec 26 2011 10:01PM
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ktd619
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but i thought skiing was aerials...
Dec 26 2011 10:03PM
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HeathR
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I don't think so. pro skiing is a broad category. I don't think water ramps help you make your way down a pillow line or slay and urban rail. It can teach you are awareness and new tricks but you still have to perfect it, add style, grabs, and stomp it.I could have all the access in the world to water ramps, air bags, and foam pits and I would never go pro.

Dec 26 2011 10:20PM
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the.cheat
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do you also think rocker, camber, sidecut, and anything but straight 210 cm skis are ruining the sport?
cough*skithecanada*cough cough*

sorry i have a bit of a cold.
Dec 26 2011 10:40PM
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Bill.Nye
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There have always been foam pits/air bags/water ramps, except back in the day it was called "powder."
Dec 26 2011 10:41PM
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zascherl
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this
Dec 26 2011 10:50PM
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Mr.Bishop
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This is not new. Same thing as happened in the '70s freestyle movement. There's a certain complexity of trick which means you're going to have to train on these types of things or you'll just die.

This is why I always said we should progress style and creativity first before becoming gymnasts... but nobody wants to listen to why a quadruple cork 18 billion should be less cool than a 540.

So MOAR FOAM PITS AND WATER RAMPS I guess.


Dec 26 2011 10:52PM
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RoadRash_Skier
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well, phil belanger used to water ramp a lot so...........
Dec 26 2011 10:56PM
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james6345789
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/claim
Dec 26 2011 11:44PM
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philipc
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i can't say the same for myself.
Dec 26 2011 11:53PM
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bleevus
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ha.
Dec 26 2011 11:54PM
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TheQuailman
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I agree.  Learning a trick into foam/bag/water until you have it perfected and then landing it on sow isn't the same as taking small steps forward until you can throw the best trick.
Dec 27 2011 12:42AM
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willysworld
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dude glen plake never hit a water ramp in a video.. and his day wa slate 80's early 90's not 10 years ago...blizzard of Ahh's came out ike 24 years ago...

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Dec 27 2011 5:26AM
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Twig
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a lot of NS agrees with you on this. No hate but I wouldn't say the content on the site always reflects this. I feel like as a community NS has enough sway in the industry to actually affect the direction the sport is taking, but it never quite happens.
Dec 27 2011 7:09AM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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aha man i agree, but the phils along with every other fucking skier since twin tips hit the ramps
Dec 27 2011 8:10AM
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I_Am_Mod
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imho foam pits, tramps, water ramps and airbags allow upcoming skiers to easily catch up with the pros and become well rounded. They can expand their trick bag enormously in 1 season without having to really push the limits of what is safe for them to try ...

and for the pro skiers, imho the sport can progress in two ways, Style and pure difficulty/complexity of the tricks, i know most of you would opt for "style" but the truth is that the future is an even balance between the two...
water ramps, airbags, foam pits etc. can contribute enormously for pros to get new tricks and improve their overall air-awareness without risking their skin. i wouldn't want to try new "pushing-the-limit" hucked doubles or even triples on monster jumps or in a superpipe for the first time, failing those is pretty much death, so in those cases training on airbags, foam pits, waterramps etc. can enormously improve confidence and awareness of the athletes without risking their livelihood, hell i'd even say it would be foolish to push the limit of our sport without access to any of these facilities ....
Dec 27 2011 8:40AM
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joshua
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You can still hit rails.......
Dec 27 2011 8:50AM
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ESB
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Just a side note: Current X Games champion Sammy Carlson learned ALL of his tricks, including the switch triple rodeo, on snow. So in response to the title of your thread, I'd have to say, "Not necessarily."
Dec 27 2011 8:51AM
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JsNeagle
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I consider myself a mid-schooler.  I learned most inverts without a foam pit or water ramp.

That being said, there have always been trampolines and water ramps... long before the new canadian airforce
Dec 27 2011 9:11AM
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bdowning
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Super weird that the sport has become a whole lot safer because of them pits
Dec 27 2011 9:59AM
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smuggs
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learned my first backflip on the most ghetto jump ever in the pouring rain. pros today are pussies
Dec 27 2011 10:12AM
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404404
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Water ramps cost alot. We went 2 times as kids and each time we slept in a car. Skiing a rich sport if your mom and dad can get the money for you to go to ramp camp then more power to you.

I use to have massive amounts of hate for people that had rich parents that could send them to ramp camp, Hood, and academys but it was just because I was jealous.
Dec 27 2011 10:16AM
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theabortionator
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A lot of people have never hit a water ramp or foam pit that have thrown doubles
Dec 27 2011 10:20AM
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deepvoice
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phil was at dsplash while i was in lacbauport this past summer
Dec 27 2011 10:26AM
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theabortionator
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I blame video games
Dec 27 2011 10:30AM
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deepvoice
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also google image "phil belanger ski" youll might want to change your opinion. learning a trick on ramps doesnt make it less hardcore then on snow, isnt it the final product of how it is what were looking at to judge if it was nice.
Dec 27 2011 10:30AM
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theabortionator
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It kind of does.


How can you say it isn't less hardcore. Even if you're saying there's nothing wrong with it it's clearly less hardcore.


You're learning something without any of the safety nets = more hardcore.

Dec 27 2011 10:38AM
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Stickity
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all i'm getting out of this thread is that we should ski naked since any falls will be more brutal and even making it down the mountain will be impossible because our balls will freeze and fall off

but really, air bags, water ramps, and foam pits are overused
Dec 27 2011 11:29AM
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theabortionator
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Solid idea
Dec 27 2011 11:38AM
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TOAST.
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how? If you have access to it then use it.
Dec 27 2011 12:28PM
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Flacko
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hey ive hit all 3 and im probably worse than u
Dec 27 2011 12:34PM
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deepvoice
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this is what im trying to say
Dec 27 2011 12:40PM
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heitsy
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Completely agree with this. If pros weren't utilizing all of the tools available to help them progress, they would get injured much more often. Yeah, ramps, foam pits and air bags aren't as core as going out on the mountain and trying something for the first time on snow, but that simply wouldn't be smart provided that they do have access to these facilities.
Speaking from personal experience, I have tricks that I do in the park that I would never do had I not been able to safely try them on ramps and trampolines.
Learning doubles on snow is sick. Taking doubles to snow that you've already stomped into a pool is smart.
Dec 27 2011 7:44PM
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john.stossel
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i actually think foam pits give people too much confidence to do tricks that are really out out their talen range, which is why so many kids are dying and getting paralyzed these days. so in short i think its more dangerous to have your first trick on snow be a 720 that you learn on a ramp. i think its safer to build up step by step on the hill
Dec 30 2011 8:17AM
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john.stossel
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do you wear hockey pads with your helmut?
Dec 30 2011 8:22AM
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john.stossel
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and nobody can disagree that you will NEVER learn how to bail out of a trick safely from a fam pit. so if you learn all your tricks from ramps, when you catch an edge on a kicker you will be clueless how to fall without destroying yourself.

the best trick i ever learned was how to fall. and you can only learn that on the hill.
Dec 30 2011 8:30AM
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skifoo
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This pretty much. But foam pits, water ramps, not everyone has acces to those. Which means pro level skiing may become to be those "rich kids" hobby. If you want to go high, you need money thats a fact. Everyone can push skiing to way they want to push it.
I just wouldnt want skiing to become too much money-included sport.
Dec 30 2011 8:30AM
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the.nile
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are you saying that its gay and pussy to wear a helmet? Cause if you are you're an idiot
Dec 30 2011 9:54AM
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Bill.Nye
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We wouldn't want to risk skiing becoming an upper middle to upper class sport.
Dec 30 2011 10:25AM
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Senor_Goat
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I heard more mountains are getting airbags for commercial use, is this true?
Dec 30 2011 10:29AM
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Static
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4SURE + don't 4get about nordic skiing! you can't learn that in teh foam! oh oh, and biathlon too you can't perfect it in the water. You could have access to all the ramps in central america and still shoot yourself in the dick hole. The ski balet guys learn in water tho, it's the only way. Also professional event trampoline skiers need snow to learn grabs on.
Dec 30 2011 2:10PM
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Troy.
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Wondeful thread.
Dec 30 2011 2:41PM
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CassiusClay
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Foam pits and water ramps are necessary to prevent kids from dying trying dub corks, etc. on snow. Beyond that, think of how many kids use them to learn rodeo 5, cork 5, a steezy cork 7. Its not just about doubles, they are a great learning tool for all abilities.
Dec 30 2011 2:41PM
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creighton
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water ramps are fun.
Dec 30 2011 2:51PM
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