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I'm a Way Better Driver Than You

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bustinthejus
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Does anyone else get pissed when people say that? I'm 16 so I'm just at the age where people are starting to get their licenses, and people say that with a straight face all the time... Like really? I live in a town where traffic is very minimal, and highway driving is the easiest shit ever, so I don't understand what people are basing their driving abilities off of... I mean, you can definitely be a shitty driver, but as long as you're a competent driver, there really isn't much room to be "better" than someone else... And often, people who say they're great drivers fucking blow dick. So what gives?
Dec 22 2011 8:32PM
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troben
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Thank god someone said it for me
Dec 27 2011 4:26AM
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PlaygroundRapist
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I've been competing in go karts for ages and now often compete in trackdays with my Porsche Turbo (upgraded to S). (lol yes trackdays with automatic, it actually works: sportshift.)


I'm probably a way better driver then 99% of the people on the road.
Dec 27 2011 8:17AM
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carlos_the_dog
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learn how to properly drive a standard and you won't have to worry about any of that...

this human child best represents this thread.
Dec 27 2011 8:38AM
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.Ian.
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I'll be the first one to admit that I'm 17 and yes... I do suck at driving.
Dec 27 2011 9:03AM
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Mike-O
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How were your driving lessons? How about the driver's test?

Would you have been happy to have more driving lessons and theory lessons and maybe even some hours practicing for slippery conditions at a slippery track before getting your license?
Dec 27 2011 9:07AM
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bdowning
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Considering you're 16...I'd let you know with a straight face that I'm a better driver then you too. Stats don't lie, young and old drivers SUCK. Inexperience is one of the biggest disadvantages a driver can have...the 2nd one being old, senile, and blind.
Dec 27 2011 9:39AM
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bdowning
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Lol, completely false, you get your permit at 16 and your license at 17.

Smarty Pants.

Dec 27 2011 9:43AM
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I_Am_Mod
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I AM THE BEST DRIVER ON THE ROAD !

WATCH ME RIP THIS SHIT !
Dec 27 2011 9:46AM
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theabortionator
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I've almost maxed out every Gran turismo game on my ps2. I'm a better driver than all of you
Dec 27 2011 10:24AM
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Caspaaa
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i got my permit at the end of the summer, but i havent driven with my parents in the car for more than maybe a few hours since i go to boarding school. ive had 3 driving lessons, and each one was 2 hours, one hour driving and one hour observing someone else drive. im really not cocky at all but im sorry, i was far better than these kids driving with me, and they were one lesson away from taking their driving test. i havent driven in snow yet but i had the littlest things nailed by the second lesson that kids didnt have down by the time they take their driving test! stupid shit like smooth stops, good turns, being generally comfortable while driving, parallel parking, and even three point tjrns.
Dec 27 2011 10:39AM
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Caspaaa
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sorry im on mobile. anyways, the kids all cocky like hes a good driver, and then we switch. i start driving and the instructor asks me when im taking my road test and i said i dont know this is my second lesson. kid shut the fuck up so fast. sparknotes, im a boss at driving for only having 5 hours under my belt. /claim.
Dec 27 2011 10:42AM
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.RYAN66
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this made me lol.


i doubt anyone on here is a good driver, mostly 16 year old kids who have never been in an accident or slid on ice.

when you start sliding and there is nothing you can do your cockiness goes down mighty fast.
Dec 27 2011 10:49AM
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JzD.
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girls in my school put their cars in reverse, press the gas petal, and look straight ahead while doing it.  scary shit
Dec 27 2011 10:51AM
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pastysmasher
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i slipped on ice, crashed into a tree and wrote my car off the other day, so im pretty good.
Dec 27 2011 10:52AM
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theabortionator
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I've driven close to 200k miles. A lot of road trips, and a lot of winter driving.


I drove back roads that had shitty plowing through the mountains to work at 2 hills that were in the same spot. About a 30-40 min stretch of no houses, nothing, and I've had to drive it many times in deep snow and freezing rain conditions.



I kill it behind the wheel. I've had one accident and that was driving my parents mini van to work down that road in freezing rain at 6 am. Wasn't salted or sanded. I was going ridiculously slow, basically stopped but the van just started sliding down one of the huge hills. Managed to avoid the section where the guard rail was out and didn't go off the mountain and hit the guardrail. Nothing crazy but it was still an accident.


Generally when you're sliding there are plenty of things you can do. First test the road conditions and see how slick it it. Don't go fast enough into turns or hills where you'll slide. Shit like that. Once I got a standard it was even easier. If you aren't retarded it's pretty easy to avoid accidents, at least the majority most people find themselves in.
Dec 27 2011 11:23AM
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jeR.
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1) city driving - lane changes and parellel parking, pedestrians etc.... people from smaller towns and suburbs just can't deal
2) driving in snow - the deciding factor i would say
3)highway driving/ lonely country roads - some kids are sick at driving in the city but don't even know to turn off their brights for oncoming traffic.
Dec 27 2011 12:40PM
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ImNotARacist
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I was being sarcastic tard.
Dec 27 2011 1:28PM
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PlaygroundRapist
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You are Finish.....are you a Racing Driver?

All Finish are best drivers.
Dec 27 2011 4:21PM
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Mike-O
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Hardly. But I can say that I'm a good driver. I drive safely, I understand the road and the weather, I don't take unnecessary risks and I pay attention to my surroundings minutely.

I've only done drifts on lonely dirt roads on a 2005 Ford Mondeo, so I wouldn't say I'm good at racing :D
Dec 27 2011 4:29PM
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PlaygroundRapist
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I've always heard the Finnish driving exam is properly hard.
You even spend a few times on a skidcourse I've heard?
Dec 27 2011 7:43PM
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Mike-O
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I had the facts in another thread, but here goes:

1st Phase
*Possibility to start training six months before turning 18
*20 hours of theory lessons (mandatory)
*32 hours of driving lessons (on B-license aka normal car)
*3 hours on a skidcourse/slippery/oil track (mandatory)

Test
*Answer 20 multiple choice questions [3 can be wrong]
*Answer 30 multiple choice scenario questions [5 can be wrong]
*Drive a test of approximately 15-60 minutes without any major fuck-ups.
*License acquired! But only viable for the next 2 years.

2nd Phase
*Within 2 years of acquiring your license
*Night driving phase and test
*3 more hours on a slippery track
*Evaluation test from driving teacher
*4 more hours of theory


After that.... You're done!
Dec 27 2011 7:56PM
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EricaMN.
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mother of god. you should have just gone to a neighboring country
Dec 27 2011 8:08PM
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Mike-O
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How do you mean? Finnish drivers, albeit mean deviations and human faults, are regarded as some of the world's best.

I stand by that.
Dec 27 2011 8:12PM
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Deezy
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Driving is the easy part. The hard part is driving safely.
the best drivers are the ones with the best judgement and who make the best (safe) decisions on the road.

Dec 27 2011 8:49PM
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Mike-O
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Yes. But even safe drivers can't be prepared for black ice without practice.
Dec 27 2011 9:15PM
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PlaygroundRapist
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Holy shit.
Dec 27 2011 9:41PM
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.RYAN66
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either can you, you drove on a track in which you knew was supposed to be slick.

when you are driving down a road and slip on black ice how are you actually going to react?


now yes you are probably a much better driver when the road is 100% ice, but what happens when the snow is gone from the road and along the side where the plow pushed it and it starts to melt, runs on the road and freezes, you are going to your lovely job bright an early and are running late so you are driving quite swiftly and all of a sudden your car starts going spin spin spin.



Dec 27 2011 9:54PM
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mowdapow
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or the people who get in multiple accidents but still think/claim they're good drivers, because the road conditions were bad, or some other shit. You crash, it's your fault
Dec 27 2011 9:55PM
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Mike-O
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And the government wants to put even more tighter securities for our dirvers... and everyone is okay with it.
Dec 27 2011 10:00PM
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Mike-O
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I've driven in the conditions you've described many times. What you do is react, from experience, pull the clutch down and steer until you feel traction - that's what they teach us in driving school before we can get our license.

As for your driving to your job late and speeding (?) scenario... I would never do that in any conditions. I'm always at least 10 minutes early (or I strive to be) no matter what the occasion, can't help it.
Dec 27 2011 10:05PM
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.Ian.
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Actually my driving lessons went great, I'm usually comfortable with motorized vehicles in general, so my test also went fine. I mean, I ride dirtbikes a lot, and I drive a TON, so I am comfortable with handling a vehicle at least. I've been driving for roughly 6 months now (it isn't much at all, I know). I always drive safely. Well, I've occasionally gone over the speed limits on the highways, just to follow with the flow of traffic (damn Massachusetts drivers drive 20 over everywhere). I do always follow the road rules and such.

Driving under slippery conditions, in a closed area would definitely be very beneficial. I could always use more practice with that. I felt like the amount of driving hours I had to complete before I got my license was plenty for me to be able to handle a vehicle comfortably.

Now for the part where I state my weaknesses and other stuff.

Well to start it off I would say I'm a very distracted driver. I will change songs on my iPod and look around at scenery and stuff and have to tell myself to realize that I need to pay attention to the road more. It could partially be my ADHD though I don't know. Haha

I guess really the reason why I say I suck is just because I don't have the experience that any older driver would have. Just going through driving struggles gives you experience, that I really haven't gotten yet.
Another thing is I just have a terrible memory, so I'm constantly trying to remember road rules. No matter how much I went over them in class, or just read them on my own, I'm always trying to remember what's right.

Oh well I'll just keep driving and try to be as safe as I can until I can get more experience and be ready for all situations.

Another quick question: is 10,000 miles a lot for a 17 year old to drive, in under 6 months? Just wondered because that's about how much I've driven haha. Thanks
Dec 27 2011 10:05PM
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no_steeze
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in terms of safe, standard, normal-speed but slightly fast driving, i'm quite in control and adept and my levels of awareness and motor translations are on a slightly higher level than most people, but generally i am not in situations that make it particularly noticeable, yet some day it may benefit or protect me
Dec 27 2011 10:22PM
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.RYAN66
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you contradict yourself, is it from experience or what they teach you?

if it is from experience then you didnt learn it from all of that fancy tests and practice you took, which is my point.


and if you havent experienced a true slide from black ice and have no clue how you would react.
Dec 27 2011 10:40PM
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Mike-O
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What the fuck are you talking about? We learn in both theory and... practice. I have witnessed, partaken, and experienced a black ice slide in real life; when I've driven, I had it under control in just the slightest.

We practice "black ice" slides in theory and in practice on the tracks, and the techniques we can master to prevent, avoid, and control them is they key issue in Finland.

No one, and I mean no one, who hasn't experienced a slippery track, is sent on the roads with a license in Finland.
Dec 27 2011 10:47PM
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.RYAN66
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no one can be completely prepared for a real slide, that is my point. you may have handled it well, how fast were you going?

it is totally different when you are out on a road by yourself and you slide unexpectedly then sliding on a track with an instructor next to you.
Dec 27 2011 11:07PM
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Mike-O
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Point being, you are that much more prepared after putting hours behind the wheel on a single slide or out-of-control spin -- here, we teach people how to react properly before they even get a licence.

I've gone slow, I've gone fast -- black ice is black ice, we call it "invisible ice" here. It is not at all different if you've prepared for the situation. I know that preparation saved me the first time I was going to land head first off-road, it wasn't fucking instinct.
Dec 27 2011 11:12PM
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juicedrummer11
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im not sure if you've heard of my friend ken block...but i taught him everything he know's....
Dec 27 2011 11:17PM
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.RYAN66
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no, spending hours on a track =/= real world driving, i dont care you are never prepared enough for what you can encounter.
Dec 27 2011 11:19PM
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PlaygroundRapist
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Ken block is actually sub par. or in simple english: SHIT

he has 6 points from 7 race starts.

But seriously look at all the scandinavian dudes in the top positions.

Pos Driver SWE
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Click for larger image  Pts  1 Click for larger image Sébastien Loeb 6 2 1 2 2 1 3 3 1 3 1 3 2 2 1 2 1 10 1 Ret 1 3 Ret 222 2 Click for larger image Mikko Hirvonen 1 2 1 4 4 2 2 1 2 2 3 3 4 1 4 1 3 2 Ret 214 3 Click for larger image Sébastien Ogier 4 1 Ret 1 3 1 1 4 3 1 1 3 3 1 2 11 1 3 Ret 111 196 4 Click for larger image Jari-Matti Latvala 3 3 3 3 2 2 18 2 7 9 2 2 14 2 2 4 1 3 1 3 172 5 Click for larger image Petter Solberg 5 4 3 6 Ret 3 4 1 4 5 5 3 3 3 EX Ret Ret 110 6 Click for larger image Mads Østberg 2 5 31 13 5 5 12 6 Ret
7 6 2 88 7 Click for larger image Matthew Wilson 9 Ret 5 5 9 8 6 8 11 4 10 Ret 5 63 8 Click for larger image Dani Sordo



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2 2 4 2 20 2 59 9 Click for larger image Henning Solberg Ret 6 9 14 Ret DNS 5 7 7 14 6 8 3 59 10 Click for larger image Kimi Räikkönen 8
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Dec 27 2011 11:24PM
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carlos_the_dog
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yeah and i bet that farm taught you a TON about real world driving conditions......

judging by your profile, you're young and should just stop because you hardly have any experience yourself... but you probably think you have which just backs up how young you are.
Dec 27 2011 11:27PM
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SPskier543
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lol. The only reason you have heard of Ken block is through aggressive marketing and advertisement, and that's only because he owns or is CEO or something of DC shoes
Dec 27 2011 11:33PM
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jewFro
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I'm guessing that you've only had your license for a year or less. The only reason I say this is because this is what my dad taught me when learning to drive a stick, but I probably stopped doing this a month or two before I got my license. It's an easier method for a hill at first, but once you become more of an experienced manual driver, it just becomes a pain in the ass. I guarantee you'll stop doing that within a year or so.
Dec 27 2011 11:35PM
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fujarome
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...so you're to blame for how terrible a rally driver he is?
Dec 27 2011 11:37PM
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Deezy
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beauty post right there^

btw the black ice thing... you may never be fully ready for the slide. you may never be fully ready for any driving hazard, but you may be mentally prepared to deal with it when as it happens. you are much better at reacting to the slide with training (i.e hours on a slide course) then you would if you were from texas with ink on your license so fresh you could wipe it off like a dry erase on a whiteboard.

and it seems to be here that the kid with the fastest car is the best driver. that is wrong. buddy of mine just fucked up his dads brand new bmw 550. he is a horrible driver, i would never get into a car with him yet we maxed out the car @ 240km or something the only time ive ever been driven by hom. (theres a chip max)
Kids getting your license soon. go ahead try to speed over 200 clicks but, when you get caught or when you fuck up. expect it.
the best drivers are the safe. this is a classic turtle wins the race thing in life.
drive responsibly.

Dec 27 2011 11:38PM
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DsMoK3
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It doesnt matter how good of a driver you are because at any moment some dumbass will prolly rear end you, maybe not in finrand though
Dec 27 2011 11:46PM
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Mike-O
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Finrand?


FINRAND?


:D
Dec 27 2011 11:50PM
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.RYAN66
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i am thinking that you and i agree that experience is key to being a good driver, real world experiance.

i dont have much i have only been driving for 3 years, so most people have more, but i have had the great opportunity to slide on black ice and it is something that i dont think anyone can be prepared for until you have experienced it. it was pretty scary, i did what i think was the right thing, i let off the gas and applied the brake once i felt traction.

one great things about newer cars is that the brakes dont lock up, for example the new toyota's have an auto pump of the brake once it feels it start to slide, this is great if you are coming to a light and apply the breaks and start sliding as it is supposed to keep you going in a straight line.

there are many encounters that i am sure no one has encountered everything that can go wrong while driving, it is a very dangerous thing, animals can pop out in front of you, pedestrians can do the same, the throttle can stick, your brakes can go out, and so on.

i like to clasify my self as an average driver, i have never caused an accident, i was rear ended once at a stop light, but i am not a great driver and very few are.


/thread
Dec 28 2011 12:02AM
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Mike-O
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...you mean ABS?
Dec 28 2011 12:32AM
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PlaygroundRapist
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Are the big white bags that are filled with gas by explosive force to protect yoour head when you crash new to you as well?
Dec 28 2011 12:59AM
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chicken
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the future is now!
Dec 28 2011 1:40AM
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