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What should my DIN be?

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jmasterp
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So I'm a ski instructor so I brought my skis to the local shop to get a tune up. When they returned them to me, the DIN was not changed. I got bigger this year and need to know what i should change my DIN to I:
Am an aggressive skier
lap the park nothing big
5'10 165-170
Thanks
Dec 8 2011 6:05PM
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SteezoSaurus
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what binding?
Dec 8 2011 6:07PM
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Crocodile
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You should get them to fix it, DIN is pretty important, for an idea I'm 5'11 180 and ride my park bindings (fks140) on 9.
Dec 8 2011 6:07PM
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jmasterp
Posts: 1976 - Karma: 233
Griffon schizo
Dec 8 2011 6:08PM
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jmasterp
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I'm going skiing tomorrow night
Dec 8 2011 6:09PM
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PON3
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Im 5-10 145 lbs and ride a 6 DIN
Dec 8 2011 6:09PM
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A.Paul
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Make it 26 then ur never comin out
Dec 8 2011 6:09PM
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.Roockley.
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for an advanced skier move down one, intermediate stay where you are, beginner go up one


*disclaimer, you can't hold me responsible as i did not make this
Dec 8 2011 6:10PM
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Drail
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that's pretty jokes. according to that chart (even with your whole "move down one" I should apparently be at 7. yeah...
Dec 8 2011 6:27PM
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Mr_Orange
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In my mind you'd be like a 9? I'm 5'9.5, 155-160 and ride on 8, but I ski big mountain and hardly any park.

I'd say start at like 8 ride around a bit and if your skis are popping off turn it up.
Dec 8 2011 6:41PM
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Kreech
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You know, the din chart is a great initial guideline, but your din setting is something you will constantly rediscover about yourself as you progress and ski more. I'm 5'10 140 lbs, and I ride an 8 on my park skis, a 9 on my hellbents, but I know a guy who's about 5'6" 150lbs and rocks a 13 on his obsetheds, just because he charges harder and goes bigger than I do. Here are the things you need to factor in:

How tall are you? As your height increases, your leverage on your bindings will increase proportionally.

How much do you weigh? The retention needs to be higher to support a higher weight.

How aggressive are you? You said you were an aggressive skier, but how fast do you ski generally? Are these park skis or powder skis? Do you hit cliffs/drops? Will you be skiing powder or groomers? These all factor in to the equation as well.

What is the BSL on your boots? The shorter the bsl, the less leverage your bindings will have on your boots, requiring a higher din.

How long are your skis?

How old are you?

I know you've answered some of these questions already, but if I were you, I'd check the din chart, find your reccommended setting, and use that as a starting point. From there, if you're prereleasing a lot, bump them up a notch, or if it's a very rare prerelease, half a notch. It's easy enough to do with an oversized screwdriver. On the flipside, if you fall badly and your skis don't come off, ease them off a notch. You'll soon find that "sweet spot" and you'll know what to do from there. Hope this helps.

Also, be realistic with the way you ski. Don't set them at an 11 because you think you might drop a couple 35 footers this year if you rarely venture off the pistes. It's sadly common these days to see people rocking a din way too high for their needs, so be honest with yourself. It's a lot cooler to have a moderate din and ski the whole season instead of crankin' em up to make your dick feel longer. You won't be thanking yourself if you explode your ACL when your bindings don't release and you're out for the rest of the season. Cheers.
Dec 8 2011 7:16PM
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crab_pretzel
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thats interesting. to tell you the truth i never thought that boot sole length had anything to do with DIN, but obviously i does with leverage and all that (im assuming its leverage?). but yea these seem to be a little low
Dec 8 2011 7:33PM
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Mr_Orange
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Well said.
but dins are not made to be set on half notches. ie if you set your din to 8.5 it wont work properly and it will release wayy easier than an 8.
Dec 8 2011 7:33PM
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skiminnesota
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if you dont have FKS180s set to 18 then you will have problems..........



no but forrealz bring them back to the shop, if your forward pressure isnt right yous in bad shape... just bring um back and ask.
Dec 8 2011 7:40PM
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DERS.
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torque*

and no they are not low. your just a park skier so naturally crank up your din's. i assure you this chart is correct. (go down 1 level for type II skier, go down 2 levels for type III skier) (also go up one if under 10 yrs old or over 50)
Dec 8 2011 7:42PM
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KBake
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crank em up all the way
Dec 8 2011 7:43PM
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prometheusprime
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lol at din chart, it says I should ride a 7, I ride a 13 and would be scared shitless on anything under 10. Din is highly personal, as an ex racer I ski fast and hard and don't like my skis coming off. You have to play around with it and figure out what suits you best.
Dec 8 2011 7:44PM
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-emile-
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but , if im 15 years old 130pounds 5'5 and type 3 skiers with a 311mm boot sole lenght on salomon sth 12 drivers,
is 6 too high ?

type 3 skier
Dec 8 2011 7:44PM
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Caleb.E
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this.....but seriously go to the fucking ship who mounted them and ask them.... they ahve to do it for free since they mounted them
Dec 8 2011 7:46PM
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Kreech
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I think we'll agree to disagree on that subject, but it is something to be aware of.
Dec 8 2011 7:51PM
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squibble
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I start 1/2 notch below recommended and move up as required throughout the season.

adjust your forward pressure too, cause I've cranked my din to 12 before because they were pre releasing, turns out it was just my forward pressure
Dec 8 2011 7:56PM
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Myfirstname.
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Smart man^^^
Dec 8 2011 8:03PM
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JakobS
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And here is one of those idiots who will end up with a blown knee in the future..
Dec 8 2011 8:07PM
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C.Wood
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Go back to the shop and ask them to properly set your dins
Dec 8 2011 8:47PM
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mscinto
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im only 5'5'', 120 and ride a 7
Dec 8 2011 9:15PM
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james6345789
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For your own sake, don't take advice of NS. Bring them to another shop. You might have to pay, but you'll thank them when your knee isn't messed.
Dec 8 2011 9:43PM
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iSmokeweed
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all the way minus 1. FACT.
Dec 8 2011 9:45PM
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EastCoastPowBird
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What I did is i went on the hill and figured out what i wanted them at by skiing. If they were popping off to easily id turn them up a bit until i found the spot where i felt it was good. My dins are at a 9 and i am 6ft1 163 pounds
Dec 8 2011 10:32PM
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DERS.
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yeah 6 is correct.


and ismokeweed... youre better off going 2 back.
Dec 8 2011 10:37PM
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bakedpow
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Im a small man but go pretty fast and really hate skis pre ejected etc. The shop would set me at 5-6 range, but i put it up to 9.

Really personal preference to a certain degree, you don't want it to tight, but not to loose...
Dec 8 2011 10:39PM
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B-Phelps
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It's a tough decision.
If you ski hard, and you go with a low DIN, you're risking releasing when you're just charging which can be dangerous, especially if you're skiing on gnar terrain.
But if you ski hard with a high DIN, you're more likely to have a ski not release when you do eat shit, which significantly raises the chances of tearing your ACL or jacking something else up.

Personally I'm 5'9" 160lbs, 265bsl and a level III skier, so my recommended DIN would be an 8 i believe, but i ski at a 12 or 13 because i would rather risk an injury from a ski not releasing when it should than risk an injury from a ski releasing, sending me tumbling into a tree or off a cliff.

If you're skiing primarily park, i'd say go with around the recommended setting because you're more likely to blow a knee knuckling or overshooting, than get hurt pre-releasing.
Dec 8 2011 11:16PM
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why
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im about your height and weight and I ride 8
Dec 8 2011 11:53PM
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wreck_720
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I am 6'3" and about 165 lbs. I have PX14 Race bindings, run my dins at a 10 or 11 on toe and 9 on heel. I've never had a problem with releasing, but then again I know how to fall. I can, however, make it release if I anchor my ski in the snow and turn out of it.
Dec 9 2011 12:02AM
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Cufe.
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I am 6'2 and 180 lbs. My park skis are around 10 and my powder skis are 12. I would say start around 7 or 8 and work your way up if you are finding that you have problems with early release.
Dec 9 2011 12:12AM
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californiagrown
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this is pretty much the only useful advice you can glean from this thread. Only you, through experimentation, can learn what the perfect DIN is for you. Always start low and inch up, especially early season as there is not much(if any) gnarly terrain open, so pre releasing isnt all that dangerous.

But falling in the park has pretty minimal consequences compared to ejecting a ski on a steep pitch while making GS turns over chop and moguls.


FWIW heres my stats

6'4" 195lbs Like to ski pretty hard and fast.

park - px12 jibs - 9.5
All mtn/pow - STH 16's - 12
Pure Pow - px12 Demo - 9.5
Dec 9 2011 12:16AM
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jworrell
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First of all if your a ski instructor so FIGIRE THAT SHIT OUT YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!! That being said I used to be an instructor myself and then I grew a sac quit my job and cranked that shit up as high as it can go. So a little advice if your going to continue to teach skiing, I would start by learning how to adjust your own god damn equipment before you teach people how to use theirs.
Dec 9 2011 12:50AM
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DaysToCome
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that chart is what the shop is allowed to set it at without being liable for you injuring yourself. but i ski my dins higher (about 11) im 5'9 and 150lbs. I teled for a while though and got used to my skis not releasing. I like going fast though and in a lot of the stuff i ski i really dont want to prerelease. Like some other people said, i might be putting myself at a slightly higher risk of knee injury but thats just part of the sport.
Dec 9 2011 1:01AM
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Mr_Orange
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Just what I was taught
Dec 9 2011 3:04AM
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B-Phelps
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Actually the opposite. the lesser the BSL, The less leverage, and therefore the easier it is for your bindings to hold your boot to your ski. Resulting in a lower required DIN for release with the same lateral pressure
Dec 9 2011 3:25AM
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CrotchKiller
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kewl story bro, im 6'6 215 and i ride at 10 din. only time my skis have come off was talking an 8 foot drop to concrete. I guess it a lot of it has to do with bindings and such.
Also have fun with that blown knee
Dec 9 2011 4:05AM
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pbandj
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you're fucking retarded.
Dec 9 2011 4:12AM
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Legoman
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If their your teaching skis then I'm pretty sure your not allowed them above the din norms in terms of liability when your teaching. In case some kid fucks himself up because your ski didn't release.
Dec 9 2011 4:13AM
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CrotchKiller
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Dec 9 2011 4:16AM
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iffe
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I hope you have something to back this up with, because it sounds completely ridiculous.
Dec 9 2011 6:14AM
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-ShredTheGnar-
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So many things have to be taken into account that no one here can give you a proper answer,

Go to the shop it's your safest bet.

I would never go by a chart.. Me personally:

I weigh 72 Kg (158.73lbs)

Big mountain skis with STH 16s are set at 14.
Everyday skis with PX 18s are set are 12 front 13 back
Fat pow skis with Jesters are set at 13.

I used to race and am very aggressive when I ski. and hate when my skis pop off when they shouldn't. Back when I raced I used to have my din at 15-16.

The only logical thing to do is go to your shop and speak with your techy about kind of skiing you do and what you expect
Dec 9 2011 6:26AM
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THURSTY
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8
Dec 9 2011 6:56AM
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MacMahoooon
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Threads like this are what make us want to ban DIN discussion in the forums. There is just so much ridiculously wrong information here
Dec 9 2011 9:39AM
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Pipe_Munky
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agreed!

why don't we rename this thread "want to blow your need? read this!"?
Dec 9 2011 10:12AM
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CDdesign
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this thread has bad news all over it.... how do we even know if your forward pressure is set correctly...

just cuz you want your din at a 20 and run all metal bindings doesnt make you have big nuts or a badass or a pro, it makes you sound like a dumbass little kid...

i am all of the above 3+ skier go big bla bla bla, i dont ever buy more than 12 din bindings cuz i dont need em... save the money and the weight.  the highest din on any ski shop chart is 12-13 and that if for a 6'4 200 lb type 3+ skier

Dec 9 2011 10:59AM
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Caucasian_Asian
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Ok.

DIN is a standard, like CSA or ISO.  It's a way to ensure that a setting of 7 on one binding will take the same amount of force to release a 7 on another binding. 

The DIN indicator in the window on your bindings is connected to a spring.  The tension on the spring is where the retention of your bindings comes from.  The tighter you wind the spring, the more retention, and the higher the indicator moves in the window.

The amount of forward pressure exerted by your boot on your binding will affect how the bindings release.  So will boot sole wear, age, dirt/dust/mud, and damaged anti-friction devices. 





Not ragging on you, but you've been misinformed.



Dec 9 2011 12:52PM
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phreshpow
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As a shop tech, I would strongly recommend bringing in the skis to your local shop and having them take care of it. It does not make you cool to crank the shit out of your DIN, I don't care if you are an ex-racer, badass motherfucker, if you are like 5'6 150 skiing 14 DIN on your everyday skis, have fun with the new ACL...it's just a matter of time and a DIN that is 1-2 above recommended will never pre release while skiing, unless your bindings are adjusted incorrectly.
Dec 9 2011 2:40PM
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