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This is just so fucked

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LAO
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hope its not a repost i search barred http://hiddenfaceoffood.com/
Dec 1 2011 11:09PM
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derbski
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I dont get why they ended with fish. You would expect them to show the cute veal cows getting killed at the end or something.

I mean seriously, who gives a flying fuck about fish?
Dec 2 2011 5:25AM
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Nufity
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yeah most fd up part is the pigs because they squeal out in pain when there dieing. other animals just kinda take it. Why they would include fish in here is just fucking retarded. I mean come on the fish are pulled up lose oxygen and die. if anyone has ever gone fishing before youve seen this happen. Its not cruel at all I'd like you to find a more humane method of killing fish cost effectivly
Dec 2 2011 6:36AM
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lindsayjibber
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thank god you guys are coming around!

this stuff makes me so sick! i always get yelled at when I post here but when someone else proves the injustices animals suffer you guys agree with them, its bullshit

you guys are hypocrites, and the only way that all animals can be guaranteed humane treatment is to ban animal products all together. im sure that will never happen though :-(
Dec 2 2011 8:10AM
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TijmenDal
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How about not eating meat every day.
Dec 2 2011 8:20AM
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derbski
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Nah. We didn't become the most powerful species on the planet by eating tofu.
Dec 2 2011 8:25AM
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geteducated
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ya seriously bro, i slit the throats of at least 4,000 albacore tuna in one summer. you should see how much those fuckers bled! it looked like jeffrey dahmer's went on a charter fishing trip on the back deck.

after slitting their throws they would start convulsing around on the back deck after being still for a few minutes. i hated seeing them do that and also them doing that would heat up their body temp, which is not good for the meat before putting them in the freezer, so i would start putting the knife through their skull to kill them right away and then slit the throat afterwards. no more shaking.

anyways, it was a job i had to do and i have a lot of respect for those fish. they are crazy strong creatures. and what i noticed is that the younger fish seemed to be less reluctant to die and would flap around on the deck, but the big old ones, they'd lie their perfectly still, like they were resigned to dieing. it was just something weird that i realized after awhile.
Dec 2 2011 9:00AM
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geteducated
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more reluctant, i mean.
Dec 2 2011 9:02AM
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TOAST.
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Just as I think you are gone, you are still here. There are ways of killing animals in much less painful ways. If we would outlaw meat a huge black market would pop up and I guarantee that it would be much worse than it is now.
Dec 2 2011 9:53AM
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DW.
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I don't think think that our diet played too much of a role. Even if it had, we evolve, man.


Also, Think about how reluctant the companies who have facilities like this are to let people come film inside. I'm sure the meat industry has lost a fairly large chunk of business, and been put under considerably more strain to change its killing methods to more costly ways as a direct result of these types of documentaries. I think it was in food inc. that they showed how hard it was to obtain footage from inside these places.
Dec 2 2011 9:54AM
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derbski
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I think that we can be much more humane in the way that we kill animals, I was just responding to the PETA girl who thinks we should stop killing animals altogether. Veganism is impossible.
Dec 2 2011 10:09AM
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DW.
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Yessir.

I'm not saying you should all become vegans, that woulddn't be much fun, but its good to think about it, and be aware.
Dec 2 2011 10:17AM
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applejuice.
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Organic is not always better.
Dec 2 2011 10:22AM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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Not trying to single you out, but your first sentence seems to be important to most here. As someone who has actually killed an animal I'd like to ask, what is a humane way of killing an animal???? I'd like to hear all answers.


And to geteducated about the fish, I'm surprised you guys don't just club em on the head. I guess a big fish could take a couple wacks but I've found they don't kick around much after being bopped. I guess if you slit their throat you want them alive to bleed out better though.
Dec 2 2011 10:30AM
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Flying~Squirrel
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but if you buy locally through a CBA (community based agriculture) you can choose the farm all of your produce comes from, and at much less of a cost. basically what CBAs do is you go to a farm which offers it, and at the beginning of the season you give them a deposit of a few hundred dollars, usually, and then they provide fresh produce for you the rest of the season. the farms appreciate it because they get more use out of their money by getting it all up front, plus you can get a lot more value out of your money if its a successful season, and most farms prioritize their CBA members and give them the best products. the farm i work at is like 75% CBA driven, and they always invite the members to come to the farm and do a few hours of work so they can see exactly what goes in and what comes out. our farm is only veggies, but other CBA farms in the area do livestock as well.
Dec 2 2011 10:35AM
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applejuice.
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i absolutely promote the use of farmers markets, but i will not buy organic.
Dec 2 2011 10:37AM
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derbski
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A way that minimizes their pain and suffering. For example, stomping and beating a veal cow to death as opposed to rendering them unconscious and then letting them bleed out. The throat slitting looks pretty gruesome but all of their moving is mostly brain stem activity. Within seconds of having their throat slit they would lose enough blood pressure to be completely unconscious. There are about a million ways we could be more compassionate to the animals, even if we do end up eating their dead flesh at dinner.
Dec 2 2011 10:42AM
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geteducated
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you gotta bleed them out. if you don't it ruins the meat. tuna fishing is serious shit, gotta make sure you kill them right so the product is good. you have japanese buyers at the fish plant trying tuna to see how good the fat content is when it comes right off the boat (given time for the fish to thaw of course). its like they are a bunch of drug dealers tasting a bit of cocaine to see how pure it is before they buy.
Dec 2 2011 11:00AM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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so is it correct to assume they don't bleed out properly if you knock them unconscious first?? Like is it important that they flop around while bleeding.

And derbski, obviously stomping and kicking an animal to death is not OK. I'm just saying most any way to kill something is inhumane. How would you render one unconscious if you were going for humane?? Smash it's head?? electrocution?? asphyxiation??
Dec 2 2011 11:08AM
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kehls11
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I watched a movie in my history class called Food Inc. and it was about the same stuff. nasty as hell tho
Dec 2 2011 11:11AM
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AMcCraw
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yes most fish are just killed the normal way. What you failed to notice was the fish being skinned while completely alive. I think that is extremely unnecessary. That has to be so painful even for a fish.
Dec 2 2011 2:49PM
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es94
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the idea of an animals death being planned before its life even starts is so fucking twisted to me. we live in a fucked country that takes the good of everything and doesnt think about what is suffering on the other end (animals, sweatshop workers, etc.) more than i hate many people, i hate the fat bitches that load up on mcdonalds and are so mind-numbingly ignorant to just about everything///rage.

on another note, i have been a vegetarian for a few years because of health/moral reasons. its really not bad at all. give it a shot for 2 or 3 weeks and see if you like it. personally, i feel tremendously healthier.  if you dont like it at least you can say say you tried something new. peace :)
Dec 2 2011 3:12PM
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Randy_Quench
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yeah its a fucked up world out there. but to hell with it, it tastes good.
Dec 2 2011 3:16PM
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messplay
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yum.
Dec 2 2011 3:32PM
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derbski
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People have been farming animals for as long as we have been able to. Unless you expect the whole world to give up meat, the planning is more humane than it is "twisted". If we still ran a hunt/ gather system, we would have killed every animal 100 times over by now. Farming and planning is what sets mankind apart from other carnivores.

I am much more concerned with the living conditions of these animals than the way in which they are killed. Making them live the way we do is incredibly humane, but the way that we kill them in the end, although it looks super violent and gory, is much faster and less painful than the way in which any other animal would kill them. For example, a cow being hung upside-down and being bled to death is much better off than the cow getting taken down slowly by some wolves.
Dec 2 2011 3:38PM
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geteducated
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you have so many on the deck at once, and they are big fish, can be over 30 pounds, and don't want to miss the risk of missing the strike and damaging the meat/flesh. and their skulls aren't like regular fish they are hard as fuck. quite frankly, they aren't like regular fish at all. their skeleton structures and their organs are completely different. they have a shit ton of blood in them. beating a fish on the head won't guarantee a knock out most of the time. will just cause unnecessary pain.

thats why in my first post i said i started putting a knife in between the soft part on their skull. kills them right away, then they bleed and they don't flop around and heat up their body temps unnecessary. that means less time waiting for them to cool down before putting them in the freezer and less temperature shock to the meat.
Dec 2 2011 6:06PM
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Juice.Doctor
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watched the whole thing.
holy fuck i'm gonna slow down with eating meat
Dec 2 2011 6:23PM
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JWD*
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yea i here what ur saying, this could have been footage from an illegal pork industry that as no regulations or no reason to be in bussiness, i honestly doubt that any of this goes on in the u.s. and Canada, and if it does i dont think that there is alot of this going on. and think. how have they been killing animals for 10's of thousand's of years?, im guessing in this sort of way.


Dec 2 2011 6:31PM
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.Apex.
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yea It sucks but it's how we survive, maybe if cows got thumbs first they'd be slaughtering us, oh well.


OFF to Burger King
Dec 2 2011 7:10PM
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84891jnf92048
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I eat pretentious natural bullshit that you buy only at farmer's markets.
Dec 2 2011 7:14PM
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BootySpunk.
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Wait...they actually have to kill animals so I can enjoy meat..no way I thought animals just shit out little meat patties everyday.

Come on. This is something that has to exist if we want to eat meat (which is fucking delicious).

I am a grass and leaf advocate myself. Stop the mass murders for salads! Plants have feelings too!
Dec 2 2011 7:16PM
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84891jnf92048
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Dec 2 2011 7:19PM
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Parks.
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Fuck I can't even get past 1 min!!
Dec 2 2011 7:36PM
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applejuice.
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PAHAHAHAHAHA
Dec 2 2011 7:46PM
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tWalnuts
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i am going to find that man who beat the calf, and make him into a whopper
Dec 2 2011 7:52PM
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maxwell666
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I know right, and another thing that ruined their credibility was how he kept saying "painfully gassed to death with carbon dioxide" its not painful, you pass out and die in your sleep.

thats also why they put fish in tanks full of CO2 before they slit their throats, they get so lazy and tired they dont even realize their throats were slit.

If they got their facts straight they keep way more credibility, and they wouldnt lose very much shock factor, the videos are pretty sad.
Dec 2 2011 8:20PM
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frosted_flakes
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I am not a vegan myself, but I think a lot of people miss the point of veganism. I think it's more of a moral decision to seperate yourself from the process completely to know that in no way are you supporting the inhumane killings of these animals by buying the food. Many people look at vegans as fools trying to change a massive industry with the whimsical idea that if they don't eat the food then it will save the animals life, when really that isn't the case. It is a decision for personal closure and to uphold their own beliefs about how animals should be treated. Personal is the operative word.
Dec 2 2011 8:23PM
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sniche
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fuck eating vegan....
Dec 2 2011 10:38PM
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JIBpsy^^
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You wannna know something fucked? the only reason that poor people eat shitty food that is terrible for them is because the government subsidizes the production of corn. If the government stops subsidizing corn a happy meal would cost more than good food. Also all cows are fed corn when they are designed to eat grass the corn really fucks with their immune systems.
Dec 2 2011 10:45PM
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XtRemE11
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this.
Dec 2 2011 10:48PM
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BootySpunk.
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Yo but I eat corn and not grass and I have an amazing immune system. Where is your cow god now?
Dec 3 2011 2:06AM
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TallerThanThou
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If one were to claim that anything is inevitable, then they suggest that any action by any human could have nothing to alter the situation. This completely takes away the agency from everyone....ever. This belief renders our knowledge of history arbitrary. Anyone who says something is "inevitable" is just..... pretty much straight-out wrong.
Dec 3 2011 2:23AM
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midwestmike
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This video is not an argument to eat vegan. Not consuming animal products will not slow down the production of meat and dairy. Sure if it makes you feel better about yourself, go ahead, but it's extremely difficult to get the necessary nutrients we need without eating any animal products. Especially if you want to eat local and live in an area where not many plants grow (like Alaska or the desert). It's called a food chain for a reason. And we're at the top, so get used to it. I watched this video all the way through, and I wasn't surprised by any of it. I live in Chicago, where the massive slaughterhouse industry started.

So everyone stop overreacting about a few animals getting mistreated so we can eat and continue to be the dominant species on this planet.
Dec 3 2011 2:54AM
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Mr.Panda
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I had veal scallopini for dinner. U mad?
Dec 3 2011 2:58AM
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DW.
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That is... Completely wrong. It's actually really easy, and though you can't really be as lazy with it as you can with eating meat, the benefits FAR outweigh the negatives imo.
Dec 3 2011 12:03PM
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act.resist
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yes nothing is inevitable, anything can be changed and thats why i agree with him.
Dec 3 2011 1:50PM
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corona
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I'm going to go eat a big burger and enjoy it.


I said this before in a similar thread.

I could put together a montage of the worst of the worst of just about any profession and have some dude with a deep and convincing voice narrating it convincing the audience that it's how every person in that profession acts, then have a bunch of gullible people believe it.

How many of you have been to hatcheries and pig farms and cattle farms and slaughter houses? I happen to have spent a lot of time in some, and I can tell you they are absolutely nothing, nothing at all like what is shown in that video.

It is a gross over exaggeration based off a very few select bits of footage they acquired from the worst of the worst.
Dec 3 2011 2:03PM
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